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UK judges to Apple: "Not good enough!"

Last week, Apple posted a notice on its UK website which indicated that Samsung didn't copy the iPad when it designed the Galaxy Tab family of tablets. Of course, Apple didn't do this out of the kindness of its heart -- it was ordered to do so by a UK court.
 
In keeping with Apple’s typical demeanor towards its competitors, the notice posted on its website was rather flippant and pointed to how the Samsung tablets weren’t deemed to be as “cool” as the iPad. Apple also pointed out in its notice that it had won judgments against Samsung in both German and U.S. courts.
 
It appears, however, that UK judges weren't amused by Apple's play on words, and called the Cupertino, California-based company's statements "incorrect" and "untrue".
 
According to Bloomberg News, the U.K. Court of Appeal in London has ordered Apple to remove the notice from its website within 24 hours to correct the inaccuracies. It also has to post a new, revised version within 48 hours.
 
“I’m at a loss that a company such as Apple would do this,” said a puzzled Judge Robin Jacob. “That is a plain breach of the order.”
 
One of Samsung's lawyers, Henry Carr, piled on by starting that Apple's original notice left the “impression that the U.K. court is out of step with other courts” by mentioning the judgments in Apple's favor by German and U.S. courts.

Source: Bloomberg



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fail
By p05esto on 11/1/2012 10:58:48 AM , Rating: 4
I want Apple to fail and go away so bad it hurts. They have hurt tech in so many important ways. The problem is that most people are so clueless that they buy Apple products without even realizing why it's a bad idea.




RE: fail
By eagle470 on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By Alexstarfire on 11/1/2012 12:25:47 PM , Rating: 5
Those tactics from Microsoft are from an era we've long since past and they paid a good deal for it, even now. I do believe that they still don't bundle MSE with Windows for fear for being "anti-competitive." If you are saying they still use these tactics then I'd like for you to point a few out as I, and probably others as well, are clueless in this regard.

And the same for Google really. What are you saying that Google has done to hurt the market? Privacy issues aside.

I don't believe that these "privacy issues" are much to be worried about either. Not only because for the most part they don't really care what you are doing other than to target you with ads, which I realize is akin to saying "I don't care because it doesn't affect me," but also because you aren't forced to use Google products. Many people, myself included, would trade "private" information, for a free product. If you aren't one of these people then just don't use them, that's that. Most of my "private" information I'd just tell people anyway provided they asked. So unless Google, or any company for that matter, is storing my SSN, giving away my passwords, or a select few other things it's not really an issue to me. And it's certainly a lot less disturbing than a recent article that says police can install cameras on private property without a warrant.


RE: fail
By dark matter on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By Alexstarfire on 11/2/2012 4:07:02 PM , Rating: 3
Did you reply to the wrong comment? I'm not Tony.


RE: fail
By DrChemist on 11/2/2012 12:46:06 PM , Rating: 3
I called this exactly in my initial comment when the first came out. That Samsung should go back and file either contempt of court a general motion for not following the judges orders and basically saying we did nothing wrong on the ridiculous letter of crap I read that apologizes for nothing.


RE: fail
By ArcsinZ on 11/1/2012 2:01:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
before Linux became common


I'm sorry, when did that happen?


RE: fail
By elleehswon on 11/1/2012 2:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
I Would be willing to bet there are more devices worldwide that run some sort of linux kernel than any other is.


RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 3:08:03 PM , Rating: 5
i own a macbook air.
now that that's out of the way, here goes:

every company is entitled to protect its intellectual property, and has a duty to protect it as ferociously as humanly possible, lest competitors exploit its weakness.
every one of us, if put into the position of CEO, would try to do the same.

what i resent though is the way in which apple conducts itself. they have not invented many of the things they claim to have invented; other patents are for painfully obvious things (and thus should not be patentable in the first place). their strategy appears to be based on two things:
- a PR campaign stating that the other guys are wrong;
- a global legal war that it, but not all of its competitors, can afford.

this makes apple look like giant douchebags, and they are rightly being criticized for it.


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 3:16:46 PM , Rating: 2
"- a PR campaign stating that the other guys are wrong;
- a global legal war that it, but not all of its competitors, can afford.

this makes apple look like giant douchebags, and they are rightly being criticized for it."


Exactly... The only thing you left our is the hppocracy of Apple. They copy other companies and always have. For them to cry foul is just ridiculous. They copied the whole putting a mobile OS and apps on a phone idea from Palm and RIM.

On IOS - Things Apple copied from other companies.

- Notifications
- Over the air updates
- Widgets
- Free turn by turn navigation
- Social network integration
- Multitasking
- Drop Down Notifications
- Opening apps from the lock screen
- Custom Wallpapers
- Panoramic photos

They do innovate from time to time, but FFS, they copy more than they invent by far.


RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 3:28:17 PM , Rating: 4
i clearly stated that they patent things they did not invent.
and after having switched from an iphone to android 4.0, i can tell you that iOS is years behind android despite all the copying.


RE: fail
By jimbojimbo on 11/1/2012 4:12:35 PM , Rating: 2
They're supposedly getting widgets of some sort in 2013... what 5 years after Android did? Sadly some brainwashed Apple fan will say it was their idea.


RE: fail
By GulWestfale on 11/1/2012 4:24:33 PM , Rating: 2
and then they'll patent widgets and sue someone lol


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 4:56:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, and when Apple copies this it will simply be implementing a key feature "at the right time". The crowd will ooh and aah. Wow, widgets. Apple is so awesome. LOL


RE: fail
By elleehswon on 11/1/2012 3:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, meant os. Typing with the flu. Not exactly bringing my "a" game.


RE: fail
By perspicacity on 11/2/2012 8:43:38 AM , Rating: 3
Devices... but not desktops.

Yet.

It will be interesting to see how desktops go over he next 5 years. If Microsoft continues with it's attempt to emulate Apple, and lock down the application ecosphere, Linux may be the only, viable, open desktop left.


RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/1/2012 11:33:44 AM , Rating: 5
I don't think many of us would have issue with Apple if they would just try to out-innovate and out-compete their competitors instead of using dirty patent-trolling tactics in a bid to monopolize the market.

Heck, if Apple made products that suited my needs better than the competition, I'd be buying their products - but they don't. The thing that bothers me is Apple trying to take away my choice as a consumer.


RE: fail
By Rukkian on 11/1/2012 12:08:16 PM , Rating: 5
If apple (and all of these companies) would just compete in the store instead of the courts, I think we would have much better devices for much less cost. This would be good for consumers, and without all the lawsuits, the companies might actually do well also.

While I don't personally like apple products, I see their use and for people like my grandmother, and my wife, it makes sense, as they do not have options, and get told what they can do and when and are perfectly fine with that. I like having choice, I like seeing the latest tech (even if I cannot afford it) as I am a tech junkie overall, just sick of all the lawsuits and attempts to get a court forced monopoly.


RE: fail
By quiksilvr on 11/1/2012 2:41:56 PM , Rating: 3
What makes me happy is seeing Google not only taking on this patent nonsense with innovation (Google unified search to a more intuitive search software), but also shaking up the cellphone industry with incredible devices for affordable prices.

I guarantee you we will see a Nexus 5 next year for $199, and it will rock the cellphone manufacturers' balls off.


RE: fail
By someguy123 on 11/1/2012 10:47:38 PM , Rating: 3
I think apple has fallen victim to its own marketing. They see themselves as the real shining star, premium device manufacturer that stands above the rest. Their comments about how people will "buy the ipad mini anyway" even at 329, regardless of competition, just reinforces it.

I don't think their lawsuits are simple patent trolling. I think they truly believe they deserve market domination for being the ones to popularize touch devices. They're not interested in innovating because they think they should be the ones dictating rather than competing like a normal company.


RE: fail
By Tony Swash on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By hiscross on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: fail
By glenco on 11/2/2012 1:26:42 AM , Rating: 2
Really?


RE: fail
By Alexstarfire on 11/1/2012 1:13:29 PM , Rating: 5
Or we could hate them because they are trying to monopolize the markets via legal action, have used several unethical, or at least morally grey (and no they aren't alone on this), methods to increase profits, and are hypocrites... Guess that flew right over your "critical faculties" though.


RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/1/2012 1:27:31 PM , Rating: 4
What I don't get is why "the world's #1 tech company" (Apple) is so afraid to go head-to-head with their competition - instead, choosing to attempt to have their competitors' products banned by exploiting a broken patent system.

Maybe it's because Apple knows that the majority of the market is choosing their competitors' products over their own and that they can't compete? Maybe they fear that the same thing that happened to them in the desktop PC space back in the 80s is happening to them right now in the mobile space?


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 3:18:29 PM , Rating: 3
"Maybe it's because Apple knows that the majority of the market is choosing their competitors' products over their own and that they can't compete? Maybe they fear that the same thing that happened to them in the desktop PC space back in the 80s is happening to them right now in the mobile space?"

Bingo...

They should really take some of that 100 billion in the bacnk and start innovating again. They have really done very little of that since 2007.


RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/1/2012 11:59:10 PM , Rating: 3
Deja vu for Jobs. It's pretty evident it got to him personally that Google/Android was a superior system. Either he was indeed just a nut bag, or he was fairly emotionally gutted when he wanted to go 'thermonuclear'. He could see the same sort of thing happening that happened with Gates so many years ago.

Difference is the Android copyleft model is even more beneficial to everyone (consumer and other business alike) than Microsoft's open hardware strategy was back then.

Just look at Amazon, Samsung, Asus, HTC, Intel, etc. etc. They ALL benefit from Android. Then look at the consumer, they benefit too.

Who doesn't benefit from Android? Apple, Microsoft. That's it.

Closed is not the way of the future, open is. The fact I can take Android, fork it off and make a superior version of it for free is such a ridiculously positive thing. If I were rich, I could hire a team of people to do that for me. You just have to take the company driven blindfolds off to realise it's a superior model.

Apple and MS just need to open source their operating systems ;)


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/2/2012 7:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, in the face of an open market, a closed system has to either be far superior, or far cheaper to thrive. In 2007-2011, you could call iPhone/Apple far superior but not any more. Now they arent even up to par with Android/Google.


RE: fail
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/2/2012 8:42:35 AM , Rating: 3
"Who doesn't benefit from Android? Apple, Microsoft . That's it."

Actually, I think Microsoft does benefit from Android:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011...


RE: fail
By DrChemist on 11/3/2012 3:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Forbes just reported that they increased their R&D by $1 billion recently and to top that they fired their head iOS guy for someone who most likely will try to enforce a Metro style OS update. All in all this is what they need to do not go around and waste tons of money destroying your name like Microsoft did with it's practices in the late 90s. They are still fighting the whole M$FT stigma even today. Pretty soon people will be calling APPLE A$$HOLES and will fight the battle to be popular again.


RE: fail
By theapparition on 11/1/2012 3:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I don't get is why "the world's #1 tech company" (Apple) is so afraid to go head-to-head with their competition

Because they did that before, and stared bankruptcy in the face. And even back then Apple tried to sue MS over Windows.

Ironically, Without Microsoft infusing a bunch of cash in the 90's, they probably wouldn't be here anymore.


RE: fail
By Uncle on 11/1/2012 1:35:16 PM , Rating: 2
" they already have a pile of cash so vast that they could suffer a catastrophic collapse in sales for a years and still continue their operations uninterrupted." The value of the company would suffer, just ask any shareholder. Shareholders apple cash is in the stocks they own. apple cash increases the value of their shares. If apple uses its cash and sales plummet shareholder will leave in droves.If that starts to happen apple will manipulate the market by starting to buy back their shares using their cash reserves, somewhat similar to the manipulation to keep its iphones prices high by buying back its old iphones.


RE: fail
By chris2618 on 11/1/2012 1:46:04 PM , Rating: 2
You have too much time on your hands


RE: fail
By momorere on 11/1/2012 1:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
Of course he does, that is what crApple PR reps are paid to do. Defend them in every conceivable way and under any possible circumstance. I really enjoy how their stock just keeps falling. Reminds me of Facebook. They will be giving out shares this time next year as Halloween treats to try and save face.


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 4:05:50 PM , Rating: 2
" I really enjoy how their stock just keeps falling. Reminds me of Facebook. "

LOL... It is funny, but they arent in danger of losing much. They have a ton of cash and products that sell and sell at a high profit, so they are safe. Tony's constant assertion that the growth rate will continue is a laugher though. It's already been unprecedented groth for years, but these days the competition has better products for cheaper prices. Android was outselling IOS 2.5 to 1 in 2011 with android 2.xx which really sucked compared to 4.1. in 2012 Android is outselling IOS 4 to 1 and now Android OS has not only caught up, but FAR surpassed Apple. The more people that see how well Android 4.1 works, the more want it and that sales gap will continue to widen. Android is at what, 1.2 million phones per day now? Crazy.

Like I said, Apple isnt in any danger , but the growth period is over. It will level off about where they are now for the next few years, which is super profitable. If they once again start innovating and catch up with competition it can go up again, but that remains to be seen.


RE: fail
By momorere on 11/1/2012 2:01:06 PM , Rating: 1
Enough said. Just replace the name with your name and it fits like a glove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvM8eYcpL0


RE: fail
By Marmadoc on 11/1/2012 2:08:56 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple have entered three moribund markets dominated by piss poor technology and products, music players, smart phones and tablets, and utterly disrupted each with a product that completely changed the dynamics of the market and caused every other company into a mad scramble to catch up and emulate. That's what tech companies should do and should be applauded for doing.


That’s right! And what’s more, Apple “life” has been one of finding a product, adding their own environment, writing all the rules and making life for the customers that opt to follow those rules and work within the boundaries of that environment very nice indeed.

The phobia you so ridiculously claim do champion against is not caused by that. No one hated the Apple of the nineties. Or the Apple of early 00´s.

They hate YOUR apple. The arrogant apple. The “I´ll go thermonuclear on this” apple. The “I´m NEVER wrong” apple.


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 2:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
"apple apple apple apple [lives, eats, breathes, and dreams of apple] apple apple apple apple "

Dood, get a life outside of Apple. You have gone way beyond rediculous.


RE: fail
By ComputerJuice on 11/1/2012 3:36:25 PM , Rating: 2
if its not obvious: he is just doing what he is paid to do.


RE: fail
By inperfectdarkness on 11/2/2012 1:25:16 AM , Rating: 2
What's funny is, if it were anyone else, they'd probably have just given up and stopped using the account after it was already discovered to be operated by a paid shill (see: Astroturfing).

Unsurprisingly, because it is apple, reality doesn't apply. So even though we know who/what he is, he continues to deny it and proceed about his shill-ishness. That everyone on here can see through his phony disguise is irrelevant.

He might as well post random "your argument is invalid" GIF's.


RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/2/2012 2:05:59 AM , Rating: 4
I don't know if it's actually the case. If Tony were getting paid it'd exonerate him of his behaviour.

But if it's not obvious, Apple marketing has inspired quite zealous cultist like behaviour. They don't have to pay people to behave in this way.

It's genius from Steve Jobs. He obviously had some good teachers when he was learning marketing at school. He was obviously well known for his charisma and ability to make reality different when he was around.

Many religions/cults start out in similar ways. Have you ever tried to convert someone who's religious to seeing a different point of view? Look at how scientology works. It's really not all that different. I was thinking it'd be fun to start up my own religious cult when I was young (to make money). Many humans are easy to manipulate.

You don't need to pay people to preach, they do it because they believe in it. You can convince people to follow you if you have the knack.


RE: fail
By inperfectdarkness on 11/3/2012 5:46:25 AM , Rating: 2
Uncle Dave from Postal is my idol.


RE: fail
By zerocks on 11/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: fail
By TakinYourPoints on 11/1/2012 9:06:59 PM , Rating: 3
You don't have to buy their products or like their tactics, but wishing for them to go away is silly, not to mention detrimental for you. Who else would every other tech company copy if they weren't around?


RE: fail
By Reclaimer77 on 11/1/2012 10:27:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who else would every other tech company copy if they weren't around?


And you wonder why you get "lumped in" with Tester and Tony...lol. Every other tech company just "copies" Apple. Every!


RE: fail
By l0aded on 11/2/2012 12:42:26 AM , Rating: 2
I've been an Apple hater since they gained popularity with the expensive original iPod but even I am not blind to their influence on the direction of the mobile space. Yes I don't think they own rectangular shapes but you can't deny that compaies make their things more "Apple"-like.

example:
Apple makes high resolution screens -> everoyne else's resolutions go higher.


RE: fail
By spaced_ on 11/2/2012 2:13:59 AM , Rating: 2
It's called competing, in an open market. It's not the same as copying.

I grow my Apples so they taste sweeter. My competition grows their Apples so they taste EVEN sweeter. Then they make theirs shinier and polished. So I do the same, or one-up them.

Apple has been successful by being the best competitor in various markets for a number of years. It seems they're not willing or able to do that anymore relying heavily on prestige.


RE: fail
By TakinYourPoints on 11/2/2012 6:53:43 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly this. They've been heavily influential for well over 30 years, wishing for them to go away because you're "mad" is idiotic.


RE: fail
By retrospooty on 11/2/2012 7:37:23 AM , Rating: 1
Except for all the ones Apple copies of course.

Yes, I have lumped him too and I stand behind my lump for ridiculous comments like that.


RE: fail
By TakinYourPoints on 11/5/2012 11:25:11 AM , Rating: 3
What's ridiculous about it? Everyone influences everyone else, but the degree of Apple's influence is unmatched. I'm mainly a PC guy and even I can recognize this.

I don't see why reality makes you guys so mad.


I just want to say
By nangryo on 11/1/2012 10:49:26 AM , Rating: 4
lol to apple legal team :))




RE: I just want to say
By Gondor on 11/1/2012 12:59:19 PM , Rating: 4
I wonder if there is such a thing as "contempt of court" in British legal system which would result in Apple getting fined for their antics ? They sure deserve it.


RE: I just want to say
By RufusM on 11/1/2012 2:02:38 PM , Rating: 3
This is exactly what I was wondering. Apple willfully breaches the court's order and all the court does is say "Please change it."?


Make Samsung apologize
By MartyLK on 11/1/2012 6:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
Regarding this bit about Apple having to apologize in public to Samsung in the UK, Apple should pursue legal course to have Samsung apologize to Apple here in America and wherever Samsung has been found guilty of patent infringement.




RE: Make Samsung apologize
By perspicacity on 11/2/2012 8:56:02 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure Samsung would love to issue an apology... in lieu of the $1 billion penalty they got.


RE: Make Samsung apologize
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/2/2012 9:03:18 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree.

In places where Samsung lost the court battle, they are already being punished (fines and possible ban on products) - so, this isn't warranted.

However, wherever Samsung wins, Apple is required to apologize because the lawsuit brought upon Samsung has tarnished Samsung's good name.

At the end of the day, those that do some digging will come to understand that Apple's recent lawsuits against Android manufacturers are just sad attempts at stifling innovation in the mobile space and limiting consumer choice through manipulation of a broken patent system.

Sad really... all because "the world's #1 tech company" is too afraid to compete in a free market.


RE: Make Samsung apologize
By MartyLK on 11/2/2012 12:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
You seem to believe the Samsung hyperbole. Don't let Samsung or any of their ardent followers deceive you. Samsung does copy the successful trade of other companies, especially American companies. I know what I saw when I first laid eyes on an image of the very first Galaxy S. It was a clear copy of the original and second-style iPhones.

Samsung loyalists refuse to admit it, but that doesn't make the rational rest of the world idiots. It is said that if someone says a lie over and over and over for a long time, that people will begin to follow it and tend to believe it. Not in this case. Samsung and their followers can declare till the end of days that Samsung didn't infringe Apple. It will never be accepted. My attitude several years later from originally seeing the copying of Apple products by Samsung hasn't changed in the slightest. I said then, say now and will continue to say till my last dieing breath that Samsung did and does infringe Apple patents.


RE: Make Samsung apologize
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/2/2012 2:18:39 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It will never be accepted.
Of course it won't, the people that won't accept the COURTS STATING IT DOESN'T infringe, are the AppleTools...

Like you...

Everyone except you and the rest of the AppleTards will accept it and get on with life, while you and the other Appletards will continue to spew your bullshit day in and day out.

quote:
I know what I saw when I first laid eyes on an image of the very first Galaxy S. It was a clear copy of the original and second-style iPhones.
Get your eyes checked then.


...
By hugo_stiglitz on 11/1/2012 10:51:42 AM , Rating: 5
“I’m at a loss that a company such as Apple would do this,” said a puzzled Judge Robin Jacob. “That is a plain breach of the order.”

Really? Doesn't surprise me one bit. If anything I expected that from Apple.




RE: ...
By Motoman on 11/1/2012 11:59:45 AM , Rating: 2
Verily. Expecting decent, rational behavior from Apple (or Apple consumers, for that matter) is in and of itself highly irrational.


awesome use of $
By xti on 11/1/2012 10:58:05 AM , Rating: 1
courts just pushing the pissing contests at this point burning thru what I am assuming are also tax payers over there




RE: awesome use of $
By BZDTemp on 11/1/2012 5:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
So you're saying the UK court should have let Apple get away with being dicks and basically disregarding a court ruling?

Or what is it you're saying?

I find it very reasonable that Apple has been told to comply and the only flaw in that is that they weren't also slapped with a contempt of court.


RE: awesome use of $
By xti on 11/2/2012 2:05:13 PM , Rating: 2
you sound like you want 2 kids to settle their differences. fine one, make them pay, and move on.

not "you didnt mean it! say it again!"

You find it very reasonable to wastes peoples money.


NEXT - Contempt of court
By bupkus on 11/1/2012 12:39:31 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just pissing myself thinking about Apple's response.

I don't think they have it in them to comply without getting the last word.

OCD ftw!




RE: NEXT - Contempt of court
By chris2618 on 11/1/2012 3:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
Sadly that can only be applied during a trial i think.


Explanation
By HoosierEngineer5 on 11/1/2012 11:47:50 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently, Apple believes they own the patent system, and the Jobs reality distortion field still surrounds their lawyers.




LOL
By flubaluba on 11/1/2012 1:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has lost there innovative edge, they are floundering now in a market that is so ahead of them they have no option but to sue to try at all costs to keep competition out of the market, I suppose there biggest fear is that someone somewhere comes up with a feature they cannot just copy, so they sue to prevent money going into r&d and it is working to a certain extent with a few businesses, but this is not and has never been a good way to win, especially when there are so many creating new innovations, Apple would need all of there billions in the bank to sue everyone else out of existence, and even they know the courts would not be on there side.




reminds me
By fic2 on 11/1/2012 1:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Reminds me of when I was a kid and my mom forced me to apologize to my brother or sister. I am sure that Apple's "apology" is just as heartfelt as mine were...




Apple replies, "Hey, UK court..."
By ProZach on 11/2/2012 5:29:51 AM , Rating: 2
"...you're reading it wrong.

"Next time view our website apology on our new iPad mini, then the words will be blurry and ambiguous just like your decision to go against the rulings in other jurisdictions.

"Boo de-hoo-hoo, I need a blanky-night-night!"




Shame they have to change it
By Tony Swash on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/1/2012 12:51:26 PM , Rating: 5
Of course you do, you are a douchebag.


RE: Shame they have to change it
By rocky12345 on 11/1/2012 1:06:05 PM , Rating: 5
Wow

Well you may think so but I guess the judges don't think that now do they. The first statement by Apple was so far off base that it did not even come close to what they were supposed to post on their site. Speaking of their site they were also supposed to put it on the front page not some little link at the bottom of the page that no one can find. I do not hate Apple products nor fear them in any way. What I do hate is their way of doing business which is dirty & under handed.

They say other companies steal their ideas when in fact they have been caught doing the same thing to other companies but people like you will still defend them by saying stuff like owe they took another companies idea & put some sparkles on it & now it is a cooler product & that is ok for them to do that. But when another company tries the same thing you will say how wrong it is for the other company to try to emulate as you put it an Apple product in some way. So if you say it is ok for Apple to do this why is it not ok for other companies to do it? It sounds like you believe in double standards.

BY the way I owned an iphone 2 years before Apple even released their first iphone. Apple knew the name was already taken but they wanted it & took it anyway. What about the clock in ios 6 they would have known what they were doing but hoped that it would just go away & no one would notice. But then they sue a company for what they say sue samsung for things like coping a shape of a phone & some icons & other prior art stuff but you say that is ok. Like I said people like you seem to like the double standard way of thinking.

Apple seems to think they can do what ever they want to other companies but if these same companies fight back & do the same thing then Apple get upset & cries bloody murder. What is up with that? If Apple can take other companies ideas put some spin on it then why can't other companies do the same thing.

By the way if you choose to comment on this do not try to take parts of what was wrote here & put it out of context to try to make people think your smarter than you actually are. Like I said I do not hate or fear Apple I just wish they would actually be the company they try to hype themselves up to be & be a competitive company in the industry & leave the lawyers at home.


RE: Shame they have to change it
By Tony Swash on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: Shame they have to change it
By bupkus on 11/1/2012 4:26:04 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You guys really care about this don't you? it really matters that a judge in the UK smacked Apple's hand and made them a change something on their web site, something that only people like you will read or care about. Nobody else cares, nobody. I don't care, the millions who buy Apple kit don't care, the millions who don't buy Apple kit also don't care. The only people who care are people like [you] who are desperate to have their cult like Apple phobia validated.

Lets see....

press Ctrl^f to do text search
Enter "Tony Swash" into field
count entries = 3

Enter "rocky12345" = 1
Enter "p05esto" = 1

Hmmm... what does that tell me?
Tony Swash doesn't really care... Nope, wrong again.


By themaster08 on 11/1/2012 4:33:35 PM , Rating: 2
Ignore Tony. He's pissed off because he just found out Microsoft sold 4 million upgrade versions of Windows 8 in the first 3 days, and have already sold tens of millions of copies to corporate customers (according to Ballmer at least). An estimated 400 million PCs are to be sold in 2013.

If Windows 8 is on even half of those PCs, I'm sure we have a flop on our hands ;)


RE: Shame they have to change it
By eloyard on 11/1/2012 4:34:41 PM , Rating: 1
Apple cares for sure. Otherwise they would comply with order and be done with it.


RE: Shame they have to change it
By retrospooty on 11/1/2012 5:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
Tony 101

People only "care" when a ruling goes positive for Apple. Then it's highly relevant. When it goes against Apple, it's nothing, not an issue.

Features are only important when Apple implements them. When others copy from Apple its bad. When Apple copies from others (which is most of their product lines) its the "right feature at the right time"

Apple, Apple, where for art thou Apple? What light through yonder window breaks... It is Apple. Apple Apple Apple. And then Apple Apple.


RE: Shame they have to change it
By t_sandman on 11/1/2012 5:42:25 PM , Rating: 1
At any rate, 'Care' or 'Don't Care', it will not have any impact on the sales of Apple products. So in that case, if there is no impact, who the f_uck cares!


RE: Shame they have to change it
By glenco on 11/2/2012 1:57:31 AM , Rating: 2
dont feed the trolls


RE: Shame they have to change it
By bigboxes on 11/1/2012 6:26:08 PM , Rating: 1
Whatever you say, reader1.


RE: Shame they have to change it
By simsony on 11/1/2012 7:37:34 PM , Rating: 2
Though no one reading this forum is surprised with that comment, it is an excellent example of your irrational thinking. You are ready to even accept Apple as being above the law of your own country. To anyone with at least some objectivity, that posting was a clear contempt of court.

Honestly is there anything they could do that you would consider wrong?


Hmm...
By messele on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hmm...
By chris2618 on 11/1/2012 1:42:31 PM , Rating: 2
It all fine till the "however" paragraph which essentially states by proxy that Samsung infringed apples design which the whole thing was about. In addition it blatantly only mentions cases were the judges sided with apple.


RE: Hmm...
By messele on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hmm...
By augiem on 11/1/2012 3:22:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Since when, in any legal case, did the defendants present any facts that go against their case? Like I say, there's absolutely nothing in there that is not true. The fact that there is no balance is no surprise, that's how legal cases work.


This is NOT a legal case being presented in a courtroom. That is over and Apple lost. This is the punishment as ordered by the court. Apple does not have the right to spin it in their favor or leave out details to save face.


RE: Hmm...
By messele on 11/1/2012 3:45:03 PM , Rating: 1
It's still a legal case and the principles persist. They (like anybody) are going to do the absolute bare minimum to comply and, in the absence of being told otherwise, will put in anything they please to get their own point across.

This IS the punishment ordered by the court, that is my point too. The orders were ambiguous and frankly the Judge was incredibly sloppy in the presenting of his orders.


RE: Hmm...
By Helbore on 11/1/2012 6:00:35 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
They (like anybody) are going to do the absolute bare minimum to comply


Actually, that's not true. Some people regret their crimes and will go out of their way to comply with the spirit of the law. The courts tend to look favourably on such people.

Similarly, the courts take a dim view of those who try their damnedest to skirt around their punishments.

There's a simple rule in law - do not piss off the judge.


RE: Hmm...
By chris2618 on 11/1/2012 3:47:10 PM , Rating: 1
Its has no bearing on the statement if its is true or not there are stating in the bottom paragraph that Samsung copied the design. The court found otherwise. The time for debate in the legal system is over.

"detail requests as they go along to cover their ineptitude"

The reason for the change is apples inability at following a simple instruction. The judge has changed nothing, apple is the one that has not complied with an order from the court.


RE: Hmm...
By messele on 11/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm...
By simsony on 11/1/2012 8:07:43 PM , Rating: 2
Apple was clearly told that they are to make clear to the public that Samsung did not infringe on their design. This is partly because Apple chose to court the media, and publicize the case.

Normally judgements are not punitive, the benefit of the doubt is given especially to large corporations, who have experienced lawyers and normally respect and comply with judgements. It is different during the case, when all tricks are played. Microsoft for example complied with all judgements as expected.

In this case, everybody knew what was expected of Apple. So no one saw the need to double check. The very fact that Apple is referring to the German court, on the UK website, as part of the UK courts order, is something every lawyer knows is contempt of court. So let's not pretend that Apple has just threaded the fine line of the law, they have well and truly crossed it, and broken the law.

If a rapist was asked to apologise, but said it is allowed in some other country, would you find that acceptable?

This is not the first time Apple thinks it is above the law, and it won't be the last.

My worry is what next? What exactly as a corporation does Apple think they get to do? Will they bankroll politicians to legislate Apple products every where? Does the desire of a profit justify anything?

Their profitability and brand imagery is creating a kind of halo, which people like to be associated with, to find their own personal worth and identity.

Tony is a good example of that, an attack on Apple is an attack on him. Apple seems to define him, his identity - the time he spends on it is quite surprising.

Profitability does not automatically translate to greatness, they need to show far more qualities, an iota of morality would be a good start. Like respecting the law of the land.


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