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Supercomputer hopes to deploy by 2015

Reports indicate that China is hard at work on a supercomputer that is claimed to be five times faster than a supercomputer the U.S. is expected to deploy soon. That U.S. supercomputer is called Titan and promises performance of about 20 petaflops.

The Chinese supercomputer, which will be deployed in 2015, is boasting performance of 100 petaflops. The computer will be called the Tianhe-2 according to the Guangzhou Supercomputing Center where the computer will reside. Performance of 100 petaflops works out to a quadrillion floating-point calculations per second.

Supercomputer industry experts believe that computers will start reaching the 1000 petaflop performance barrier by 2018. China briefly had the world's fastest supercomputer in 2010 with the Tianhe-1A that had a peak theoretical speed of 4.7 petaflops. That computer is now the fifth fastest in the world.

The new Chinese supercomputer is being designed by the China National University of Defense Technology. The Chinese are aiming for the 100 petaflop barrier by 2015 and then 1000 petaflops, or 1 exaflop, by 2018.

"Taking the top spot in the world's fastest supercomputers gave us a lot of drive, and gave us more confidence to develop better machines," Zhang Yunquan said. Asked Chinese supercomputer should use processors from Intel and Nvidia. However, Zhang says that using hardware from American companies could change as China invests more in the development of homegrown technologies. An example is the completely Chinese developed Shenwei 1600 processor used in the Sunway Bluelight supercomputer last year.

"This [Shenwei 1600] showed that we can make a supercomputer capable of 1 petaflop of performance with our own technology," Zhang said. "I think in the future, as China tries to reach for exascale computing, the designs of these new supercomputers could fully rely on domestic processors. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility."

Source: IT world

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States better smarten up!
By ImmortalSamurai on 11/1/2012 10:49:27 AM , Rating: 3
Make no mistake, this was partially funded by the Chinese is going to be used for hacking and cracking on the US.

RE: States better smarten up!
By Arkive on 11/1/2012 10:57:15 AM , Rating: 3
I disagree. They're not going to brute-force attack a foreign entity with a publicized super computer. They're going to do it using botnets and underground assets that don't necessarily link directly to them. It's all about doing what you want with as much deniability as possibly, and using this computer wouldn't offer them that.

RE: States better smarten up!
By FITCamaro on 11/1/2012 10:59:30 AM , Rating: 4
Agreed. They'll use this once they have our encrypted data to crack it.

RE: States better smarten up!
By NellyFromMA on 11/1/2012 12:37:17 PM , Rating: 2
It's somewhat even potentially worse than that. Remember when China was able to route all internet traffic briefly through their DNS's? Imagine routing all traffic and real-time capture and decryption of the information.

Having more FLOPs available to you means you can decrypt faster than they can encrypt.

RE: States better smarten up!
By Amedean on 11/2/2012 1:30:35 AM , Rating: 2
WOW, thankfully I stumbled into this page to be informed because everyone here is a security expert that knows exactly how China will attack the U.S.

So confident that nobody here used words like "might", or "more likely" or even acknowledged any kind of possibility of another alternative.

I checked online before earlier but here you guys confirm everything I read on the first couple paragraphs of Wikipedia searches so I am now confident you are all qualified to know definitively how China will attack. Just amazing.....

RE: States better smarten up!
By NellyFromMA on 11/2/2012 11:32:30 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, I assumed you were actually trying to deduce things. I'll be sure to keep my grammar to your liking going forward. Anything else I can do to help your panties become less bunched?

RE: States better smarten up!
By Amedean on 11/2/2012 11:44:05 PM , Rating: 3
I take you don't take criticism very well.....

Nothing wrong with a little satire poking fun of a know-it-all! The internet is filled with these parachute experts chopping up other people's opinions.

RE: States better smarten up!
By Schadenfroh on 11/1/2012 11:11:31 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed, the PRC's military uses "misguided patriots" behind botnets; they would not dare wage open attacks on The West with their public leaders openly supporting it and dedicating publicized supercomputers.

The US and/or Israel never openly waged a "cyber war", Flame / Stuxnet lurked for years and did not rely on supercomputers.

Make no mistake, the US, Japan and Europe are dominant when it comes to super computing power (take a look at the top 25 list). The PRC likes holding the top spot for PR reasons (using CPUs / GPUs designed / built by Americans, I might add).

RE: States better smarten up!
By NellyFromMA on 11/1/2012 12:34:22 PM , Rating: 2
They've hacked into enough American firms where they likely have obtained more than enoguh information to start domestically developing solutions. Everyone assumes that this is the case.

RE: States better smarten up!
By bupkus on 11/1/2012 1:24:23 PM , Rating: 5
Perhaps the added value brought by Chinese scientists will prove worthy of us hacking into their systems for their IP?

Can we imagine a world where theft becomes the new diplomacy?

"Did you get that gift I hacked for your birthday?"

"Yes, thank you, but I already re-gifted it before it arrived and am about to send you a thank you."

"Don't bother I already read it from your iPad."

"Ha ha, love you."
"Heeh heeh, bye."

RE: States better smarten up!
By NellyFromMA on 11/1/2012 12:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
It's not for bruteforce. It's for real-time or decryption.

RE: States better smarten up!
By ipay on 11/1/2012 11:40:27 AM , Rating: 1
"partially funded by the Chinese Defense" who was funded by and supplied with the technology IP by western companies greed... and Walmart shoppers.

Perhaps a move in the right direction?
By bupkus on 11/1/2012 1:06:20 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps a move in the right direction?

I, and I assume one other here, recall a time when the threat was 100 megatons; now it's 100 petaflops.

I'm hoping it's a giant abacus.

RE: Perhaps a move in the right direction?
By Ringold on 11/1/2012 3:43:01 PM , Rating: 2
At least nuclear war never did break out, whereas IP theft by China is real and extremely damaging. :\

Read a good interview by Elon Musk regarding SpaceX a couple weeks back. He can't talk about much of what he does to keep costs down and can't patent any of it because he knows as soon as he did, the Chinese would just use it all as a blueprint to copy his work.

Hurricane Sandy provides an interesting example. All that destruction sounds like about 50 billion worth last I heard. Lets go with a low, low estimate that Chinese IP theft or coercion costs 50 billion a year to our economy. We don't see it, because its spread out amongst all of us instead of localized in one place, but thats a Hurricane Sandy every single year tearing at the guts of the economy.

RE: Perhaps a move in the right direction?
By bupkus on 11/1/2012 4:38:36 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for your post, but I do get it and I do get angry when theft especially affects the lesser 47% of the population as by law it must. So I do hope we manage to cauterize this bleed of IP.

RE: Perhaps a move in the right direction?
By Ringold on 11/1/2012 5:53:02 PM , Rating: 2
The legal impact probably falls directly on the top 5% or so.. the engineers, high-end programmers etc that create the IP. It flows down to the bottom half when those companies sales get driven in to the ground from cheap Chinese knock-offs and thus have to lay off staff. It really impacts the 100%; it's why property rights are the cornerstone of sound economics for most people.

I figured you knew how damaging it was though, but Sandy just provides a visceral, clear example of the damage, just focused instead of dispersed. Normally it's like farm subsidies; enormously helps one tiny group, but only very slightly hurts most people, so it goes relatively unnoticed, and never mentioned on CNN.

By wordsworm on 11/1/2012 7:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that IP is very important to a successful economy. Usually I hear people on this board deride the concept of IP and the rules around it. So, I'm surprised not to hear the 'I steal, you steal, we all steal,' mantra.

how do you say...
By MadMan007 on 11/1/2012 1:22:15 PM , Rating: 4
Shouldn't it be petafrops?

Um yeah
By Ammohunt on 11/1/2012 1:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
This [Shenwei 1600] showed that we can make a supercomputer capable of 1 petaflop of performance with our own technology,

Their own technology? short if the crossbow and fireworks what technology has China invented in the last 100 years? They are great copiers of technology don't get me wrong.

RE: Um yeah
By wordsworm on 11/1/2012 7:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
If you look at Chinese inventions over the last 2,000 years, you might be amazed at how much modern inventions depend on what they thought up.

Time for a math lesson....
By boeush on 11/1/2012 2:42:15 PM , Rating: 3
Performance of 100 petaflops works out to a quadrillion floating-point calculations per second.
No, *1* petaflops is a quadrillion FP operations (not "calculations") per second. 100 petaflops is 100 quadrillion FLOPS.

Big bad wolf
By Motoman on 11/1/2012 10:36:36 AM , Rating: 2
"My, what big processors you have!"

"All the better to spam you with, my dear!"

Oh I get it...
By ComputerJuice on 11/1/2012 3:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
The Chinese build Skynet.

By gamerk2 on 11/1/12, Rating: -1
RE: But...
By FITCamaro on 11/1/2012 10:59:03 AM , Rating: 2
No. You didn't.

RE: But...
By ipay on 11/1/2012 11:51:23 AM , Rating: 2
You don't know the circumstances well enough to make such a claim. His family could be held hostage by North Korean and extraterrestrial gangs near the coast of the East Philippines and, indeed, he had to to save their lives.

RE: But...
By FITCamaro on 11/1/2012 12:39:16 PM , Rating: 4
I'm willing to take that risk.

By bupkus on 11/1/2012 12:57:14 PM , Rating: 1

And why did you stop there? You could have included a sentence about the ungodly unChristian gays.

Just try to buy something entirely designed and made in the U.S.A. The only things manufactured in the West is Apple's Reality Distortion Field and porn. Being a moral and ethical person I never purchase from Apple. ;-)

RE: China National University of Defense Technology
By FaaR on 11/1/2012 1:51:03 PM , Rating: 4
Lol... Pathetic. Blame wallstreet predatory capitalists and outsourcing corporate leaders for pumping china full of cash. They're the ones to blame for moving manufacturing there in the first place, you expect everyone to just stop buying stuff?

Do you yourself refuse to buy anything and everything made in china? You're not buying much in the way of electronics then, I wager. Your PC and mobile phone - if you have one - were both made in the 1990s if that's truly the case. You probably don't have a HDTV, certainly not any gaming consoles.

As for your racist "Obomney" comment, what exactly would be better with a corporate shark like Romney in the white house (who made his fortune by borrowing money, buying companies and letting them pay back his debts - sometimes bankrupting them - after he'd rewarded himself from said companies' coffers), or shit, Dubya Bush for that matter. ...Well, in Dubya's case, more like the idiot son of a corporate shark, but there ya go.

Try to apply some logic and reasoning before you kneejerk. It's a lot to ask I know, but you could at least try.

By ksenter on 11/1/2012 3:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
I have no idea what he's actually getting at. But it seems to me that "Obomney" is the first two letters of Obama and the last five letters of Romney. So, I don't see how you figure that's racist or why you think he's backing the republicans. It seems like he's attacking both candidates, or rather the American public that "worship" them. Which I don't really agree with either.

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