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  (Source: engadget.com)
There are only 1,000 spots available in the current registry

Valve has announced that it is allowing users to apply for the Steam for Linux beta.
 
Valve is specifically looking for experienced users that are familiar with Linux and are running Ubuntu 12.04 or above. This is likely because it's in the way early stages and needs a good debugging. Users that are newer to Linux are being asked to wait until the next beta release to apply. 
 
There are only 1,000 spots available in the current registry, so those who fit the bill can sign up through their Steam accounts. Valve will follow up with users afterward. 
 
Steam is a digital distribution, multiplayer and communications platform that distributes video games online from small developers to larger software companies. 

Source: Joystiq



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RE: I am in favor of this...
By inighthawki on 10/29/2012 3:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
I would love to see you give a benchmark where WINE was faster than Windows in any modern game. Not to mention, you won't be able to use any DX10/11 features since WINE barely supports DX9 properly in all cases.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Motoman on 10/29/2012 3:54:58 PM , Rating: 4
Not to mention finding any significant number of users who will be convinced it makes sense to install Linux on their machines, then Wine, then run their games in Wine...instead of just using Windows.

Wine isn't a solution. It's a symptom of the problem.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Bubbacub on 10/29/2012 4:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
have you actually run and used wine on a regular basis?


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Motoman on 10/29/2012 5:08:09 PM , Rating: 4
No, but that's not the issue.

The issue is convincing people that just running Windows, and launching their games/programs normally without any hoops to jump through, is somehow an inferior idea to installing Linux (which is frequently a PITA), then getting WINE setup, then maybe or maybe not figuring out how to get your programs/games installed and working via WINE, and then they can use them.

Inserting lots of extra crap in the middle makes no sense. Doesn't matter how superior you may or may not think everything else is...or how little inconvenience it seems like to you. The point is that it makes not the slightest amount of sense for anyone else. Why would they go thorugh all that BS instead of just running Windows like they're used to?


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Bubbacub on 10/30/2012 3:58:16 AM , Rating: 2
it depends on how much value one puts on running linux over the pain and hassle of getting wine to run.

obviously some one who doesnt use linux and doesnt value its utility as an os over windows has nothing to gain from using wine.

if however you DO like linux and want to use it as your main os for reasons OTHER than gaming - then it is nice to know you can still play the odd game without rebooting or virtualising.

wine is no replacement for a windows gaming box


RE: I am in favor of this...
By karielash on 10/30/2012 10:04:07 AM , Rating: 2
No, that is exactly the issue.

Maybe prior to talking something down you should actually try it. The 'hoops' you mention are the same as in Windows...locate setup... install...

Wine is installed by default, there is no 'making it work' or 'hoops' to jump through. The problem is not functional it is educational.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Motoman on 10/30/2012 12:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
No it isn't.

Installing Linux in and of itself is frequently a task well beyond the capabilities of a normal user. Especially if you have to go and try to find device drivers on your own, and install them on your own.

Then trying to make Windows programs work in Wine is not a trivial task. And lots of stuff just simply won't run in Wine at all.

There is no comparison to be made between using Windows and running a Windows app in it and using Linux and getting Windows apps to run in Wine. Your assertion that they're equivalent is ridiculously laughable.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By karielash on 10/30/2012 1:58:14 PM , Rating: 2

Yet again you make assumptions that you cannot substantiate.
Installation of Linux is just as simple as an installation of Windows in fact with some versions, notably Ubuntu/Mint.

Running office in Windows is less than trivial, in fact, there is NO difference between an installation on Windows and an Installation on Linux, insert disc... click on installer.

Your assertion to that what you can and cannot do in Linux is clearly based on the complete and total lack of knowledge of the product, perhaps before you make such sweeping comments you should at least try it. While I concede that some products do not run under WINE there is a lot of common programs that do, with little or no effort required to install and configure them.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Motoman on 10/31/2012 12:47:55 PM , Rating: 2
I have tried it...multiple times.

Driver support is far from complete. If you're lucky, the distro you've downloaded will recognize everything and contain drivers for all your bits. If not, and there's a huge chance it's not, you're off on your own trying to figure out how to find drivers (and maybe no Linux drivers exist at all for some of your bits) and then how to install them.

...and the problem is that WINE, first of all, exists...as noted, it's a symptom of the problem - not a solution. The problem is that Linux has no mainstream software industry support.

I really, really wish it did. But it doesn't. WINE is a band-aid on that headwound.

And then to explain to an average PC user that "well, probably a lot of the programs you want to use will work in WINE, but some won't" is an absolute death knell for the OS. NOBODY outside of a handful of enthusiasts are going to spend the slightest amount of time on an OS where there's even the slightest chance that some piece of software they want to use won't work.

And that's the state of Linux, past and present. I'm hoping that Steam will help change that in the future...your apparent assertion that that future is already here, though, is false.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By anactoraaron on 10/30/2012 4:46:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Inserting lots of extra crap in the middle makes no sense. Doesn't matter how superior you may or may not think everything else is...or how little inconvenience it seems like to you. The point is that it makes not the slightest amount of sense for anyone else. Why would they go thorugh all that BS instead of just like they're used to?


Off topic but this is my EXACT gripe about Windows 8/the start screen. "I have to now click on desktop first...?" "OH I have to scroll over to the corner first then click settings then click power then click shut down...? WTF?"


RE: I am in favor of this...
By inighthawki on 10/30/2012 8:24:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think your problem with Windows 8 is on a whole different magnitude of the scale than getting Wine setup and running correctly for everything...

And seriously, you're complaining over a single extra click on startup and an extra click plus move of the mouse on shutdown? How terrible your life must be now...


RE: I am in favor of this...
By anactoraaron on 10/31/2012 12:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
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And seriously, you're complaining over a single extra click on startup and an extra click plus move of the mouse on shutdown?

Uh no. Not quite. To shutdown windows 7 you simply click the start button and then click 'shut down'. That's 2 moves. To shut down windows 8 you-

first: click the bottom left corner to bring the start screen back up (if on the desktop)
second: drag the mouse to the upper left corner. wait for the side bar gui to come up.
third: click on settings.
fourth: click on power.
fifth: click 'shut down'.

That's five moves. I don't care that once the command is given it shuts down faster since once you look at the process of shutting down all that extra jumping through 3 additional unnecessary moves in the UI negates any gains made there- particularly for the average consumer. It's the unnecessary jumping through hoops like this is why there's no wide spread adoption for linux in general and it's why I think windows 8 will likely not be as widely adopted as windows 7 will be.

Sure there's quite a bit more in getting wine setup in linux but the premise remains the same. Why the heck did they redesign the UI in windows to add steps to do common things??


RE: I am in favor of this...
By Motoman on 10/31/2012 12:48:37 PM , Rating: 2
This is why Win8 will be the biggest flop in MS history.


RE: I am in favor of this...
By inighthawki on 10/31/2012 3:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

You just have to move your mouse to the bottom right of the screen then click settings>power>shutdown. That's 1 click and arguably one mouse move more than the start menu. It works while you're on the desktop, you don't need to be at the start screen or within metro...


RE: I am in favor of this...
By BrotherPointy on 10/31/2012 4:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
People whines left and right when something in Linux is "1 click and arguably one mouse move" different from how it is in Windows.

Now we'll see who is for real (the ones who also whine about Windows 8) and who's a fanboy (the ones who do about Linux but don't about Windows 8).


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