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Reaction to the introduction of the iPad mini yesterday was decidedly mixed. On the one hand, many Apple faithful praised the launch of the new tablet, which is half the weight of the third and fourth generation iPads, and can be palmed with one hand. On the other hand, many complained that it was simply a shrunken down iPad 2 with the same lackluster screen resolution. It also didn't help that many people felt that the 16GB iPad mini was overpriced at $329.
For example, Amazon's 7" Kindle Fire HD is priced at "only" $199, while a 32GB Google Nexus 7 will cost you $249. Even Barnes and Noble is hanging around in the budget realm with the 7" Nook HD, which is priced at $229. All of the aforementioned tablets have a higher screen resolution than the iPad mini.
With all the criticism of the iPad mini's pricing and specs, Apple' Phil Schiller has come to the rescue to defend Apple's newest tablet entry.

"The iPad is far and away the most successful product in its category. The most affordable product we've made so far was $399 and people were choosing that over those devices," said Schiller in an interview with Reuters.
"And now you can get a device that's even more affordable at $329 in this great new form, and I think a lot of customers are going to be very excited about that.”
Schiller believes that the $130 price premium over some competing tablets is worth it, and that the iPad mini will sell on its merits alone, not needing to compete on price. Apple points to the fact that the iPad mini is lighter, thinner, and has better built quality than the plastic-clad competition. And of course, Apple also points to 275,000 tablet-specific apps for the iPad platform versus a plethora of "stretched phone apps" for Android devices.
So, will customers buy into Apple's strategy?

Source: Reuters

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RE: No reasonable justification
By amanojaku on 10/24/2012 4:44:19 PM , Rating: 3
Supposedly, the Nexus 7 has twice the number of cores as the iPad Mini, twice the RAM, greater resolution, and equivalent storage at a lower cost.

The iPad Mini is just a few grams lighter and has a larger screen. Even if Google raised the cost to make a profit, the Nexus 7 is still the better deal.

RE: No reasonable justification
By Nortel on 10/24/2012 4:53:56 PM , Rating: 2
iPad Mini has 0.9" larger screen, much thinner (0.28 vs 0.41), lighter (10.9oz vs 12oz, actually has rear facing camera and 5mp at that. Plus the whole plastic vs milled aluminum debate.

There are arguments on both fronts but I don't think too many people are looking at spec sheets when buying a tablet.

1024x768 vs 1280x800 isn't much of an advantage for the Nexus but it is there.

RE: No reasonable justification
By fteoath64 on 10/26/2012 1:48:57 AM , Rating: 2
One more point in the comparison. The fact that the back camera on the Mini is way better than the competition will make the sale for a segment of customers out there. eg Instagram users like kids would prefer a better camera at the expense of lesser screen resolution. This fact while not a criterion for US based users, maybe key selling points in other countries. One can safely say that below 18 year old kids would prefer this tablet compared to an Android one. It will end up being the majority of mini users over time.

Note on the $329 pricing. Users are saying just one out of 6 models priced at $299 or a bit less is going to make a huge difference and hardly make a dent in the overall profit since margins for the other 5 models are way big anyway. LTE models bundled with carriers make obscene levels of margins over the life of the contract!.

RE: No reasonable justification
By augiem on 10/25/12, Rating: 0
RE: No reasonable justification
By augiem on 10/25/2012 4:07:39 AM , Rating: 2
My link was not accurate. When using that link, it compares the TOP benchmarks, not average, so any overclockers may be throwing off the results.

These are the results using averaged data:

Results gleaned from these: (iPad2 framerate / Nexus 7 framerate)
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 - Offscreen (1080p): 13.3 fps / 9.1 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 - Onscreen: 21.5 fps / 13.5 fps
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD Fixed Timestep - Oncreen: 18.6 fps / 11.2
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD Fixed Timestep - Offscreen (1080p): 11.0 fps / 7.9 fps
GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Classic - Onscreen: 58.8 fps / 53.9 fps
GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Classic - Offscreen: 48.5 fps / 30.9 fps

RE: No reasonable justification
By augiem on 10/25/2012 1:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, you guys downrate a truthful statement WITH proof of how going by cores can be misleading? Man, you people shock me. You call yourself hardware geeks? Give me a break.

Just because the cards don't fall the way you want them to at the moment is no reason to hide the truth. I'm no ideologue. If something's faster, I want to know its faster regardless of who is making it.

RE: No reasonable justification
By bsd228 on 10/25/2012 2:05:03 PM , Rating: 2
> Sadly, Tegra 3 is core crazy but that doesn't translate into stellar performance. The Tegra 3 GPU is 12 core and can't beat a 2 core PowerVR SGX543MP2:

Twice the cores referred to cpu, not gpu. And in that regard, tegra3 is indeed faster. Browser display and the like. But on the gpu front, you're correct - the PowerVR tends to win out (though I don't know how this one compares). So for gaming oriented stuff, there probably is an advantage. I personally don't game with my tablets in a substantial way, so it's a secondary consideration.

RE: No reasonable justification
By augiem on 10/25/2012 5:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
Twice the cores referred to cpu, not gpu. And in that regard, tegra3 is indeed faster. Browser display and the like.

I'm not totally sure which CPU is faster to be honest, but from what I see in Anand's review, he ONLY tested browser benchmarks and GPU. Browser benchmarks aren't really a good CPU comparison because they're using different browsers. In other words, you're testing software as much as hardware.

This review shows Linpack scores. In single threaded mode, iPad 2 beats Nexus 7 by 87.5%, and in multi-threaded mode, iPad beats Nexus 7 by a marginal 0.04%. Geekbench is the only benchmark where the Nexus 7 wins.

So, per my original point, you can't just say because something has more cores its more powerful. (2 vs 4 here). I wish there were better and more definitive benchmarks to compare these guys, but from what I've seen, I don't see the Tegra 3 being faster in CPU or GPU in most benchmarks that don't also have a built-in problem like relying on what browser you're using.

RE: No reasonable justification
By augiem on 10/25/2012 6:23:53 PM , Rating: 2
iPad beats Nexus 7 by a marginal 0.04%.

iPad beats Nexus 7 by a marginal 4.0%.

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