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Apple brings a retina display to the 13" MacBook Pro

Apple announced its 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display back in June. Now, it’s brought “Retina Fever” to the 13” MacBook Pro.
 
The new 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display is only .75" thin and weighs only 3.57 pounds, one pound lighter than the previous version. As expected, the display now has a resolution of 2560x1600, features 29% higher contrast ratio, a 75% reduction in glare, 178 degree viewing angle, and brightness of 300 nits.
 
 

 
The new 13' MacBook Pro with Retina Display keeps the same design aesthetic as the previous version, and includes USB 3.0 ports, FaceTime HD, backlit keyboard, and of course, Thunderbolt. In order to achieve the weight targets and thin frame, Apple ditched the internal optical drive.
 
The new 13" MacBook Pro with Retina Display comes with dual-core Intel i5 or i7 processors, 8GB standard RAM, and up to a 768GB SSD. Battery life is rated at “up to” 7 hours.
 
The 2.5GHz Core i5 version with 8GB of RAM and 128GB of flash storage starts at $1,699 and is available today. 


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RE: I don't know man...
By Misty Dingos on 10/23/2012 2:07:34 PM , Rating: 2
It might be a laptop but without an optical drive it is simply gimmick tech to me. Which pretty much states the condition of Apples entire product line.

Apparently most people are sheeple and actual utility is not an issue. Does it have the correct brand name and is it shiny and pretty and will it get me noticed of greater importance today.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:17:09 PM , Rating: 3
Optical drives are dead. I have a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD drive on my desktop PC that never gets used. I don't even use it for OS installations, those go on USB drives. Applications and games are all downloaded. Backups aren't burned to DVD or Blu-Ray, those go to optical drives. I could totally do without one at this point.

It makes even more sense to cut optical drives from laptops given that they do nothing but add weight, bulk, and moving parts to something that is supposed to be portable.


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2012 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Optical drives are dead.
Apparently to you, if Apple doesn't use it, it's dead. Get a fucking grip.

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I have a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD drive on my desktop PC that never gets used. I don't even use it for OS installations, those go on USB drives.
Great for you?

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I could totally do without one at this point.
Again, great for you?


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:39:38 PM , Rating: 2
Look who's mad. Shocking


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2012 2:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
Mad? LOL...

No..

Just sick your idiocy thinking that because you do this or that, that's the way it is and should be.

Looks who's a tool. Shocking.


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2012 2:46:27 PM , Rating: 2
sick of*


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 3:46:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, sounds like you're mad


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2012 4:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
Sound like you are ASSuming...

Yes, you are ASSuming...


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 4:16:33 PM , Rating: 3
So many other people here think optical is ancient technology that has been replaced with much better alternatives. The best you can do is be mad and make dumb jokes. Hilarious.


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/12, Rating: 0
RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 5:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
A troll by definition makes intentionally inflammatory posts in order to provoke a response. It isn't when someone posts something that you disagree with.

My post isn't intentionally inflammatory, it is just a simple fact that optical media is currently where floppy media was 12 years ago. It is bulky, slow, and pointless given the availability of superior technology like flash storage, cloud sharing, portable external hard drives, and downloads for all games and applications. Even my operating systems are downloaded, and Microsoft is incentivizing people to download ISOs of Windows 8 for their installations instead of buying hard copies.

I didn't post with the intent to troll, but I can't help it if presenting reality sets you off. Then again, there are weirdos on forums who refuse to buy games on Steam because "a hard copy means you actually own the game".

The rest of us moved on ages ago.


RE: I don't know man...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/24/2012 8:10:12 AM , Rating: 3
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[3] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[4] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[5] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

You....Tony...Tester...and a few others...


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/25/2012 3:54:37 AM , Rating: 2
Except that my posts are based around hard facts and logical conclusions. I can't help it if reality makes you mad.


RE: I don't know man...
By V-Money on 10/23/2012 7:06:21 PM , Rating: 2
As much as I would like to agree with you, in this case I feel that I have to agree with the Cheez guy. In a slim form factor why would you want or need a retina display other than for video. You only have a dual core CPU and you lose out on the discrete graphics so if you are wanting to do actual work or play hi-def games you are much better off with the 15". Considering the point of being light and portable is to be "portable" and you aren't always guaranteed the greatest internet connection outside of the home, blu-ray drive is your only option. If you want to just have a hi def display with a fruit symbol to use on your wi-fi you might as well just buy the iPad.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/24/2012 12:32:26 AM , Rating: 2
Resolution is an entirely different discussion. We're talking about how optical drives have become superfluous, not 2x res 13" laptop displays.

And FWIW I agree with you, I think that the 13" Macbook Air makes way more sense than the 13" rMBP at these prices. If you're going to go with such a high res display you might as well pony up a few extra bucks and get a 15" rMBP instead.


RE: I don't know man...
By EnzoFX on 10/23/2012 2:42:02 PM , Rating: 2
They're just about dead, sticking your head in the sand doesn't help technology move forward. This isn't an apple issue, every ultrabook and tablet (you know, that tech that is DRIVING the market) does NOT have ODD's. To have an ODD is now the minority (if you can get past the fact that all the laptops that do, are cheap ones on a race to the bottom i.e. not driving the market). Hence you are the gimmick lol.


RE: I don't know man...
By ritualm on 10/23/2012 2:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
Cheesew1z69, normally we're on the same page as far as anti-Apple fanboyism goes, but I have to agree with Takin:
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Optical drives are dead.

I had a DVD burner on my last custom-build desktop PC. Guess how many times I actually used it... once a month. Takes a crapload of space and - unlike hard drives and SSDs - does nothing useful the other 99% of the time.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
My desktop PC is a full-size tower (Corsair 800D) and the single optical drive in it still feels like a waste of space given that I never use it.

If an optical drive can feel that wasteful on a desktop, how wasteful is it in something that you carry around? :)

Lose the thing, drop some weight, reduce the size. Not having it is so much more useful and logical than keeping it around for the majority of people. This is like when people clung onto their 3.5" floppies, silly given that better portable storage technologies exist.


RE: I don't know man...
By Solandri on 10/24/2012 9:13:34 AM , Rating: 2
There are a few areas where optical still excels:

- Offline TV/movies. Until Hollywood gets off the DRM train and accepts video distribution as simple files, they're gonna keep pumping out DVDs and Blu-Rays (even thought he DRM on both has been cracked). To rip your own movies requires you to have an optical drive somewhere. I suppose you could pirate everything, though that's not really a legitimate solution.

- One-to-many copies. If a musician needs to make a few hundred copies of their songs to sell after a gig, optical is the cheapest way at less than 10 cents per disk. Flash is getting there, currently at less than 50 cents per GB, but isn't quite there yet. I've been trying to get my friends doing this to shift to online MP3 sales instead (though the 30% hit on iTunes or Amazon or Google is discouraging).

- WORM (write-once, read-many). Most notable for use as permanent backups. Due to huge increases in hard drive capacities this function has mostly been shifted to external drives. But those carry the risk of accidental erasure. A good photo studio will keep an archival copy of everything they shoot on DVD or Blu-Ray. Those can't be erased, they must be physically destroyed before the data is lost.

I agree we're shifting away from optical, but it's a bit premature to call it dead. While I'd certainly like it to be dead, we aren't quite there yet.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/25/2012 4:00:58 AM , Rating: 2
The latter two are fringe cases. Needing to distribute many copies is a specific case (ie - musicians), and those same people can post links to buy their songs from Bandcamp or something. Backup has been replaced by external hard drives and cloud storage. Much more convenient than burning multiple discs, plus it is easier to update incrementally.

The main one that is still relevant is movies on Blu-Ray. That is still important because it offers substantially larger file sizes than a film streamed over Netflix, meaning that you get much better image quality.

That said, unless you have an HTPC in your living room there is little reason to have a Blu-Ray drive in your PC. I use a PS3 to watch movies on my plasma. Most people are also fine with streaming Netflix through their console or set-top box. Hell, I have a substantial Blu-Ray collection of films that I love, but if I just want to watch some movie that I don't care so deeply about I'll just stream it, no reason to get a disc.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:47:41 PM , Rating: 2
Typo. This:
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Backups aren't burned to DVD or Blu-Ray, those go to optical drives.


Should read as: Backups aren't burned to DVD or Blu-Ray, those go to external hard drives.

My bad. :)


RE: I don't know man...
By XZerg on 10/23/2012 2:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
i have removed my optical drive for over a year and a half and replaced it with a second hdd in my Dell XPS 15. No regrets whatsoever. Optical technology is dead to me unless they can somehow come up with a standard that matches or outdoes USB flash drives portability and performance.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 2:45:32 PM , Rating: 2
I'm tempted to do the same with the optical drive in my MBP and replace it with a second hard drive. I recently put 512GB SSD in it though and I'm pretty happy with how much space I have. We'll see.

In any case, it is a great modification you can make, way more useful for most than having an optical drive. Like you, I don't see the point of optical with USB flash drives, portable hard drives, and media not being on discs. Blu Ray is the only physical media I keep anymore, and that stays only in my living room. As soon as non-optical formats catche up with Blu-Ray in image quality (and that will take a while), then I'll ditch that too.

Ancient technology.


RE: I don't know man...
By Flunk on 10/23/2012 2:50:11 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not an Apple fan, but I rarely find myself using the optical drive on my computers. Almost everything comes off the Internet these days, software, music, movies (all legit). Dropping the optical drive on notebooks, particularly slim notebooks, makes more and more sense. If you need an optical drive you can always add an external for when you really need it.

I'm currently in the market for a notebook and I don't care if it has an optical drive or not.


RE: I don't know man...
By tayb on 10/23/2012 3:25:58 PM , Rating: 3
I have a Dell laptop, two custom assembled machines (office and home), and a Macbook Air (travel). You could take the optical drives out of any of these machines (MBA doesn't have one) and it would take me months to notice.

This isn't a rare use case. Everything you can do with an optical drive can be accomplished with a flash drive or cloud storage. For those rare instances where you need an optical drive, get an external. Seriously. An optical drive adds bulk and weight and the primary function of a laptop is to be portable. On a desktop an optical drive doesn't have any negative consequences and it's cheap. No reason NOT to have an optical drive on a desktop. On a laptop not so much. External when you need it, save the space/weight when you don't.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2012 4:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, nailed it perfectly.

The fact that something that doesn't have negative consequences on a desktop is still superfluous says everything you need to know about how unnecessary they are on a portable device like a laptop.


RE: I don't know man...
By zerocks on 10/23/2012 7:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
Heaps of laptops these days don't have any optical drive to speak of, they're becoming useless, some of the nicer companies (I think ASUS does this with a few models) offer slim USB ODD's with their laptops that don't have an internal one..


RE: I don't know man...
By norjms on 10/24/2012 5:54:55 AM , Rating: 3
Although I can see not everyone strictly needs or wants a ODD. I wouldn’t want to do without one. I guess I grab a Blu-ray/DVD from Redbox on a regular basis especially when on trips out of town. As for installing software via flash drive sure if you have a digital copy. Take WoW for example. It is Mac compatible and can be downloaded from the web legally. I’d be damned if I’d prefer to do so versus throwing a disc in and installing that way. Also, when you unexpectedly replace a hard drive OS reinstalls a pita without a disc drive or another computer to build the flash drive.


RE: I don't know man...
By TakinYourPoints on 10/25/2012 4:04:35 AM , Rating: 2
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It is Mac compatible and can be downloaded from the web legally. I’d be damned if I’d prefer to do so versus throwing a disc in and installing that way.


Why? Downloads are fast, and once you've done that you can copy your game folder over to an external hard drive. I have my entire Steam folder as well as games like Starcraft 2 backed up to an external hard drive. When I need to reinstall the OS I just drag those folders over after installing the OS. It is WAY faster than reinstalling everything from disc, so much better.


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