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Farewell Athlon 64 X2 4800+, 4400+ and 4000+ socket AM2 parts, we hardly knew ye

DailyTech previously reported AMD distributors confirmed the ditch 2x1MB Windsor socket AM2 parts in favor of Windsor 2x512KB parts. Retailers are beginning to confirm the death of 2x1MB Windsor products with most major online retailers immediately delisting Socket AM2 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+, 4400+ and 4000+ products.

Doing a quick search for 2x1MB Windsor products on Chief Value, Club IT, Monarch Computer, MWAVE, Newegg, TigerDirect and ZipZoomFly shows the products are not available anymore.

With the 2x1MB socket AM2 parts canned retailers are left with only four Athlon 64 X2 dual-core products -- the 5000+, 4600+, 4200+ and 3800+. The remaining Windsor 2x512KB currently retail for around $299, $359.99 and $575 for 3800+, 4200+ and 4600+ models. Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2x512KB models are still scarce in terms of retail availability though.

AMD internally announced price cuts on all over Athlon 64 components a few days ago, which was devoid of information on the 2x1MB cache components.

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No stock?
By Lord Evermore on 6/15/2006 4:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
What, they all suddenly ran out of stock on the same day?




RE: No stock?
By mavphoto on 6/15/2006 4:30:32 PM , Rating: 2
I think that anyone who wanted to buy a Socket 939 CPU should really consider a Opteron 165(2x1Gig cache)
They Overclock very well(mine went from 1800 to 2800Mhz!)


RE: No stock?
By PT2006 on 6/15/2006 4:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What, they all suddenly ran out of stock on the same day?


Those chips were barely in stock anyway.


RE: No stock?
By Randalllind on 6/15/2006 4:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
What the point of cutting prices if there are no chips to buy? AMD end the price war they keep prices high then kill line to avoid people from being able to own a chip.

AMD needs to get back to what made them what they are. The home builder and to lower their prices so people can afford to build a pc.

This is really unfair to the home builder.


RE: No stock?
By Lord Evermore on 6/15/2006 4:57:16 PM , Rating: 2
If they cut prices on even their highest performing parts to the point that people are amazed at how low their prices are, then they stop being able to afford the research and development into actually maintaining the high performance levels, and eventually the low prices don't seem all that great because the parts aren't high-end anymore. They could cut prices and still actually be able to afford the R&D, but like with any publicly-owned business, their shareholders wouldn't stand for just barely eaking out profits for them.


RE: No stock?
By Randalllind on 6/15/2006 5:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
it is a fact that prices are high then over time drops. $500-$1200 for x2 line sucks. I am not saying AMD should lose money but they should keep the line long enough to lower it to a price where the mass market can get in on it.

I think the 3800+ is $297 at newegg still I think they could drop it to $200 and still amke $$. If not what you are saying is they never made $$ all these years.


RE: No stock?
By animedude on 6/15/2006 5:37:03 PM , Rating: 2
Supply and Demand. They are superior when comparing to P4. Even Intel can charge such a high price half year ago, why can't AMD. AMD needs to save cash up and expand or else they will be squashed like a bug by Intel.


RE: No stock?
By bob661 on 6/15/2006 5:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
WTF are you talking about?


RE: No stock?
By bob661 on 6/15/2006 5:41:11 PM , Rating: 2
ARRGGGHHHHHHHH!!! This wasn't supposed to be posted here!


RE: No stock?
By Randalllind on 6/20/2006 10:43:16 PM , Rating: 2
If Intel kills AMD then APPLE wiill grab 95% of the pc market when Bill Gates leaves.


AMD had better push out a replacement soon
By middlehead on 6/15/2006 3:32:34 PM , Rating: 3
I was going to get the 4400+ :(




By Googer on 6/15/2006 4:22:42 PM , Rating: 2
I was really after a 4800+ with 1MB, but now I think this could be the factor that tilts my slightly undecided mind of what to but twords Conroe.


By MarkHark on 6/15/2006 11:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
I was looking forward to get a 4000+ as a nice replacement for my aging XP-M 2400+, as soon as I could get one for around 150$-170$.

Suppose now I'll have to wait for AMD to launch the AM2 equivalent of an Opteron 170, if ever, that is. :(((


By johnsonx on 6/16/2006 12:47:33 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't get why everyone is so upset about the disappearance of the 4400 and 4800?

You're seriously saying that if AMD won't sell you a 2x1Mb cache A64, then they've got nothing at all to offer you? 2x512K cache chips just won't cut it for you? What are you doing that 1Mb cache per core makes SO much difference?

Oh, it's just the IDEA of it that you like, nevermind whether or not there's any performance difference.


Capacity Issues
By obeseotron on 6/15/06, Rating: 0
RE: Capacity Issues
By Mudvillager on 6/15/2006 3:48:26 PM , Rating: 2
missed the news these last couple of days?

their 2x512kb x2's are much cheaper to manufacture and to be able to compete with Intel's upcoming pricedrops they've decided to stop selling the 2x1mb parts.

although i have yet to figure out what they're going to do with the 2x1mb parts that are left...


RE: Capacity Issues
By animedude on 6/15/2006 5:33:58 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe they stop making them prior to the annoucement.


RE: Capacity Issues
By s12033722 on 6/16/2006 10:04:46 AM , Rating: 2
I'd suspect those will go to major OEMs currently shipping PC's using those chips.


what was the point?
By toyota on 6/15/2006 4:01:51 PM , Rating: 2
what was the point of ever introducing the 4000 then? i never saw it in stock anywhere and now its been pulled like the others.




RE: what was the point?
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 6/15/2006 4:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
The remaining 2x1mb parts will go to the FX line, which will still sport that kind of cache, allbeit at a hefty price.


RE: what was the point?
By johnsonx on 6/16/2006 12:51:20 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't AMD allowed to change their mind? Can't they announce a line of 2x1Mb cache X2's and then shortly thereafter decide that's not such a good deal for them? What, once they announce the parts they have to keep selling them no matter what, even if it's bad for their business?

Get over it.


Athlon X2 --> Athlon FX
By EarthsDM on 6/15/2006 8:39:39 PM , Rating: 2
I believe what they will do now is reintroduce the chips that have 1MB cache as FX parts. The distinction would be compatibility with the new AMD 4x4 platform. Opening up the 4x4 system (and possibly unlocked multipliers as well) to sub-$1000 chips could be AMD's way to compete with Conroe.




RE: Athlon X2 --> Athlon FX
By z3R0C00L on 6/16/2006 9:06:16 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't even say a 4x4 platform is even close to competing with Conroe. First of all games and applications don't yet truly make use of TWO cores... let alone more. Also the fact that the price of a 4x4 platform would place it WELL beyond the reach of consumer's. Then there's Conroe getting an intergrated memory controller by late 2007 which opens up the possibility for there own 4x4 platform. AMD needs a new product... this whole 3Dfx AMD and nVIDIA have as of late will end up killing them both if they don't innovate.


RE: Athlon X2 --> Athlon FX
By johnsonx on 6/16/2006 12:58:55 PM , Rating: 2
That is an interesting thought... AMD has always said that there'd only be 1 FX at a time, but that can be changed. For example, a 2.8Ghz FX-62 at $1000, and then a 2.4Ghz FX-61 at $600 (perhaps using the cores that don't qualify at 2.8Ghz). Both would have 2x1mb cache, and both would be 4x4 compatible. Yes, those prices would ultimately have to drop as well, I'm talking about today prices.

Many possibilities open up with the VERY WISE cancellation of the 1Mb cache-per-core A64's.


Crazy!
By ishtar on 6/15/2006 5:01:25 PM , Rating: 3
So they have pulled all the cpus that doesn't underclock the memory! First they put up out a new part that uderperform the older part, and now this. This is just crazy, what are they doing??




RE: Crazy!
By johnsonx on 6/16/2006 12:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
what does cache size have to do with underclocking the memory? The memory clock 'issue' on AM2 CPU's solely relates to core clock speed.


By kilkennycat on 6/15/2006 7:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
"With the 2x1MB socket AM2 parts canned retailers are left with only four Athlon 64 X2 dual-core products -- the 5000+, 4600+, 4200+ and 3800+."

Not true as stated... Only the AM2 versions of the X2 1Mbyte cache parts are affected. Check Newegg. Socket 939 2x1Mbyte-cache parts are still readily available. However, any further price reductions are highly unlikely. For example, the 4400+ (939-pin) is $460 (Newegg) and will probably remain at this price until completely discontinued. Still great value, since most of the 939-pin 4400+ easily overclock to 2.6GHz without breaking a sweat -- < 50 degrees C core temp, cores and memory fully loaded. ( Mine overclocks to 2.65, air-cooled, verified totally stable ). The 1Mbyte parts are great for those of us who really need the 1Mbyte caches for maximum performance in desktop video processing and compression.




By AxemanFU on 6/16/2006 10:22:43 AM , Rating: 2
Just another reason for many users to keep their 939 board and DDR ram longer, and get a 939 64x2 or an opteron 165 or similar and join the overclocking crowd. AM2 isn't getting us anything substantial really that we don't already have on the AMD side, not for a year or more. Why even bother to upgrade, except to a better 939 proc while they are stil relatively cheap. Until the AM2 platform offers superior performance at non-stratospheric prices, there is no logical reason to invest in it. Maybe the post core-duo/conroe price cuts that AMD will be forced to make to be able to move processors will change the picture somewhat, but I imagine 939 procs will also drop in price as well.


yep...
By johnsonx on 6/16/2006 1:07:02 PM , Rating: 2
Sure enough. I noticed the AM2 4400 was out of stock at NewEgg yesterday, and now today it's gone altogether. The AM2 4000 and 4800 never showed up at all.

For anyone who doesn't know what I think about all of this, and who actually cares (no one at all I imagine), this was a very smart move by AMD. The only thing not smart is that they launched the AM2 4000, 4400, and 4800 in the first place. That has to have cost money and headaches for them, vendors and customers alike.




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