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Microsoft is enforcing tough requirements for PCs that claim to be Vista Premium devices

While Microsoft works to prepare and update Windows Vista for launch in 2007, the hardware industry has continued to move forward. Microsoft however, has been following the hardware world steadily, incorporating changes into Windows Vista's requirements for the actual launch. Assuming that all factors work out on time -- and Windows Vista launches on schedule, which is already delayed to begin with -- a Windows Vista computer should be able to provide its owner with very interesting advantages.

Microsoft has broken down its requirements for the Windows Vista logo program into two categories: Basic and Premium. Don't be confused by Basic and Premium, however, as there are several other versions of Windows Vista that can be "Premium" compliant. The actual names of Windows Vista versions are:
  • Windows Vista Home Basic
  • Windows Vista Home Premium
  • Windows Vista Business
  • Windows Vista Enterprise
  • Windows Vista Ultimate
From the above, the only SKU not eligible for a Windows Vista Premium logo is Home Basic although all of the above are able to use the Basic logo. According to Microsoft, any computer with enough basic specifications can run any of the above Vista SKUs, but those systems that wish to use a Premium logo designation must have certain special specifications met, regardless of which Windows Vista SKU is used -- minus Home Basic. Windows Vista Premium-logo compliancy according to Microsoft:

At a system level, if it includes a device, then all the requirements associated with that device class must be met for the appropriate compliance level of the logo (basic or premium). To qualify for a basic system logo, the devices of a basic system that includes embedded or add-in devices must comply with the basic requirements (if a logo program exists for the device categories). Likewise, to qualify for a premium system logo, the devices of a premium system that includes embedded or add-in devices must comply with the premium requirements for the device category.

The following are requirements for Windows Vista Premium logo-compliant PC and will be mandated by June 1st, 2007:
  • Must have H.264 hardware decoding
  • Must have HDCP
  • Must support multi-monitor support
  • Must have HD audio
  • Must have HD audio jack presence detection
  • Must have Serial ATA 2.5
  • Must have minimum of 50MB NV cache on hybrid HD's with at least 8MB/sec write 16MB/sec read (for mobile only)
  • Must support booting from USB flash drives
  • Must have Windows Vista Green Button on all remotes
  • Must have Green Driver Quality Rating (DQR)
    •     Green score of 7 to 9
    •     Yellow score of 4 o 6
    •     Red score of 1 to 3
Premium logo level PCs must first support Windows Vista Aero user interface. This means included graphics cards or integrated graphics solutions must support hardware DirectX9c. While DirectX 10 will be introduced later in 2007 along with Windows Vista, it is not a requirement. Graphics solutions must also support hardware decoding of HD video codecs such as H.264 and MPEG2 and MPEG4. This ensures that Premium PCs will be able to play back Blu-ray and HD-DVD at full resolution. To ensure that this occurs gracefully, PCs must also support HDMI and/or UDI graphics interfaces. HDCP will also be a stiff requirement and there are other content protection schemes on the way. Microsoft is also requiring that Premium systems be capable of multi-monitor support, allowing the use of two screens at minimum.

Making sure that the high definition experience is carried all the way through, Microsoft is also making it a requirement that all Premium logo systems support Intel's HD Audio standard at the very minimum. This means at least 5.1 channels of audio via analog outputs and S/PDIF outputs. Audio jacks are also required to be able to detect what kind of connection is being used, analog or digital.

In terms of storage, hybrid hard drives are only required for mobile systems using the Premium logo. With hybrid hard drives, a minimum of 50MB of non-volatile flash cache memory must be implemented that is at least capable of writing at 8MB/sec. and reading at 16MB/sec. Other NAND flash memory technologies such as Intel's Robson technology, is not a requirement Windows Vista Premium logo -- at this time. For storage devices, Serial ATA-II must be implemented. This means a minimum speed of 3Gbit/sec and advanced features such as native command queuing (NCQ), among others. This rule will apply to both hard drives and motherboards. Interestingly, optical storage drives are not required to use SATA.

System BIOS and EFI implementations will be required to support booting from USB flash memory sticks. As memory sticks increase in sizes, it becomes easier to backup an entire OS install and more completely onto a USB memory key and take it anywhere with you. Microsoft's Premium logo requires that this be an essential feature.

For Media Center PCs, Microsoft will require that all remotes have the Windows Vista Green button. TV tuner and add-in DVR devices that include remote controls must also comply to this rule too if the manufacturer wishes to claim that the product is Windows Vista Premium compliant.

Finally, Microsoft will be making it easier for users to get manufacturers to take action when it comes to bad driver releases. Often times, an application or game can be completely or partially crippled due to a bug in the driver or just one that is poorly designed. Windows Vista will allow users to vote for the quality of a driver that they install and all drivers that wish to pass the Windows Vista Premium logo program must meet a Green status, which is a rating of 7 to 9. Any driver that is rated below it will cause the accompanying device to fall out of Premium compliancy and the manufacturer must supply users with a fixed driver within 90 days. How Microsoft will enforce this policy remains to be seen, but it's definitely a step forward in creating stable and secure Windows systems.

The Windows Vista Premium logo program ensures that users will get a top-notch experience out of their machine, and is also in place to make sure that manufacturers build quality products. Features such as DQR will help ensure that Windows Vista computers will be a big improvement over Windows XP.


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Do we really need all these versions?
By Snoop on 6/14/2006 10:18:44 AM , Rating: 2
Why all these versions? It looks like a confusing mess. I am into computers yet I dont feel like spending time deciphering what iteration of windows OS I need to run. I just need all the features in XP pro and I will be content.




RE: Do we really need all these versions?
By fungry on 6/14/2006 10:28:36 AM , Rating: 2
haha same. XP Pro features is all i need. Seriously, looking at all those specs are kind of daunting partly cause one of the points mentioned, i have no clue what it is. "10MB NV",,, i myself are unable to comprehend that. Looks like i'll be waiting to build a new PC next year lol. Heh. Pricy stuff.


RE: Do we really need all these versions?
By Heatlesssun on 6/14/2006 10:59:23 AM , Rating: 2
The number of versions isn't all that bad. Not all the versions are for the US, and right now there are four versions of XP anyway, Home, Pro, Tablet, and Media Center.

Basically, the versions of Vista take pieces of Tablet, Media Center, and Pro functionality and spread it across. The Home premium has Media Center, but does not login to domains. So they are just more fine tuning the bits and pieces into a packages. You average home user probably couldn't care less about a domain.


By shadowzz on 6/14/2006 11:03:47 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but I know what Tablet and MCE do. I dont know what half of these new ones do (Ultimate, Premium, etc).


RE: Do we really need all these versions?
By Motley on 6/14/2006 1:20:12 PM , Rating: 2
It's "50MB NV" is talking about 50 Megabytes of Non-Volitile ram (Ram that doesn't lose it's state when power is turned off). It supposidly increases the boot time and possibly application load times of OS's that support it. Hitachi announced a drive that has it a month or so ago, with Seagate supposidly rolling out some very soon as well.


By PrinceGaz on 6/14/2006 6:11:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It supposidly increases the boot time and possibly application load times...


I suspect you meant "decreases", not increases ;)


By Bytre on 6/14/2006 5:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
That's why you can just look for something with the logo. :)


RE: Do we really need all these versions?
By Borinquencmptrs on 6/14/2006 7:22:08 PM , Rating: 2
The five different editions of Windows Vista are designed to fit the way you intend to use your PC:

Windows Vista Business
Regardless of the size of your organization, Windows Vista Business will help you lower your PC management costs, improve your security, enhance your productivity, and help you stay better connected.

Windows Vista Enterprise
Windows Vista Enterprise is designed to meet the needs of large global organizations with highly complex IT infrastructures. Windows Vista Enterprise can help you lower your IT costs while providing additional layers of protection for your sensitive data.

Windows Vista Home Premium
Whether you choose to use your PC to write e-mail and surf the Internet, for home entertainment, or to track your household expenses, Windows Vista Home Premium delivers a more complete and satisfying computing experience.

Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Basic is designed to deliver improved reliability, security, and usability to home PC users who just want to do the basics with their PCs.

Windows Vista Ultimate
If you want all of the best business features, all of the best mobility features, and all of the best home entertainment features that Windows Vista has to offer, Windows Vista Ultimate is the solution for you. With Windows Vista Ultimate you don't have to compromise.

The link below is in case the individual hyperlinks to the 5 different versions doesn't show up. Hope this helps some people.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/edi...


RE: Do we really need all these versions?
By fic2 on 6/15/2006 4:14:32 PM , Rating: 2
I suspect the five different versions are designed more to separate you from your money than anything else. Ultimate must be the best so that is what I need. Too bad that don't have a Super Dooper Ultimate - I would have bought that.


By TomZ on 6/16/2006 1:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, they're just specializing the feature content and prices based on each market segment. This helps avoid the one-size-fits all approach. Why spend money to buy features that you don't need?


By masher2 (blog) on 6/19/2006 11:12:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
> "I suspect the five different versions are designed more to separate you from your money than anything else. "


Microsoft throws all the features into one version, and people complain about bloatware, and paying for features they'll never use. Microsoft splits them into separate versions, and people still whine. Human nature is so predictable at times.


Some interesting requirements
By brystmar on 6/14/2006 10:04:01 AM , Rating: 2
Those are some steep specifications, but I guess it's a good thing to ensure people buying a Dell desktop with a 2.4ghz celeron and 256mb of shared RAM don't try to run Vista Premium.
quote:
- Must have HD audio

I'm assuming this means the Intel HD audio codec (Azalia), so is it really legal to require the inclusion of a specific manufacturer's codec to be certified for an OS?
quote:
- Must have Serial ATA 2.5

Is this a typo or a new update to the SATA interface that hasn't been announced yet?
quote:
- Must have minimum of 50MB NV cache on hybrid HD's with at least 8MB/sec write 16MB/sec read (for mobile only)

This is by far the most interesting of the requirements, especially since you can't even buy one of these HDDs yet. Let's just hope the price of a compatible drive isn't too "Premium"...




By Tuan Nguyen on 6/14/2006 10:10:50 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah the requirements are forward looking since some of the technologies are still only starting to role out. The requirements are being mandated by July 1st, 2007.


Tuan


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/14/2006 10:12:06 AM , Rating: 2
I can clear up a few of these.

HD audio is really sort of a broad generalization of any digital audio that can do 5.1 channels digitally etc. Azalia is one codec, Realtek has some, etc.

SATA "2.5" is a specification family adopted by SATA IO. SATA 3.0Gbps with all the trimmings (hotswap, etc) is SATA 2.5

The final spec is for mobile only, and the 50MB of NV cache is sort of a requirement for Santa Rosa also, so you'll definitely see this all over when Santa Rosa launches (this time next year)


RE: Some interesting requirements
By killerroach on 6/14/2006 12:31:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those are some steep specifications, but I guess it's a good thing to ensure people buying a Dell desktop with a 2.4ghz celeron and 256mb of shared RAM don't try to run Vista Premium.


I see nothing stopping said system from meeting all these specifications... the Performance Rating was never put into account on this, only the Driver Quality Rating. Therefore, a system like mine (a modest system, but still a Performance Rating of 4) would not be such a system, but a slapped-together Dell with a couple extra parts could very easily be, despite more than likely having a PR of 1 or 2.


RE: Some interesting requirements
By shoRunner on 6/14/2006 2:35:08 PM , Rating: 2
see the previous article detailing the more basic minimum system requirements for a vista premium pc. like a minimum of 512mb of ram, or 1gb for the aero interface, and the minimum pixel shader 2.0, which would disqualify most of dell's integrated gfx solutions.




http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2411


By killerroach on 6/14/2006 4:03:22 PM , Rating: 2
By the time Vista comes out, Intel's standard integrated graphics solution will support Pixel Shader 3.0... so that's not much of an issue (I think they already have an integrated GPU with SM2 support). Since that's the integrated video chip that Dell tends to use, even their slapped-together rigs will have that specification. It doesn't matter if they run SM2.0 code "just barely" (like, say, a GeForce FX5200), but a matter of whether it runs it at all (and, of course, the necessary memory bandwidth, which isn't hard). From seeing these standards, a lot of these things can be addressed for Dell's systems through something as trivial as an updated chipset/mobo... kinda scary, when you think of it.


RE: Some interesting requirements
By Wwhat on 6/15/2006 6:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
With HD-audio they mean 'hardware DRM on the audio'
Realtek also makes HD audio codecs, with DRM on them, it's not an intel specification.


I think part of it...
By magomago on 6/14/2006 8:00:49 PM , Rating: 3
is if you force high requirements, then people won't get pcs that run vista slow and they will complain about it. "This is a BRAND NEW COMPUTER that should run it perfectly...vista sucks!"

If microsoft enforces these tough requirements, then anyone wanting to use the premium logo will alteast provide a "pleasant" experience




RE: I think part of it...
By Scrogneugneu on 6/14/2006 10:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
People will never complain that "Vista is so slow!". They will, however, complain that "my computer is so slow, my old one was better, I dunno why". For too much people, a computer is just that, a computer. Everything is in the same package. For most of them, Windows is actually what they call the computer.

So, if they try to play Doom 3 on a Riva TNT2, they'll complain that the computer is slow. The same happens if they try to run Vista on a Pentium II.

Bad software? What are you talking about? What do you mean, software?


RE: I think part of it...
By clyde on 6/15/2006 4:39:33 AM , Rating: 2
you are right.. that's the reason why i think next year i'll migrate to linux definitely, not because of linux but because of windows. The only reason i actually am running xp is that i love to play, so with linux that's not impossible, but hard, and i have not much time. I think that's the reason why most of people run xp today.
But (at least for me) that will change with wii.

I dled the beta2 and ... oh my god! trying to something different from changing wallpaper is hidden or complicated.
What about that aero interface? I mean, yes nice, but .. what's the point? why is everything so slow? (3200+ 1gb ram 9600pro no games, just plain desktop usage)

As far as i can tell linux can do glass and other effects since kde 3... i didn't saw something new. Just a lot stuff copyied from macosx and kde/gnome. Not just functions but the style is more similar to a kde/macosx hybrid (i know it sounds great from this point of view, but i found it really "complex" and not-that-much-user-friendly) ... it has been a delusion.


RE: I think part of it...
By bollockstogreed on 6/15/2006 10:33:50 AM , Rating: 2
That's how BETA software handles.

Unlike NVIDIA BETA drivers where I'm convinced they just don't want to both getting official WHQL support so they just leave them BETA.

So, for the most part, besides NVIDIA, BETA software really is in an unfinished and unoptimized state.

Regarding Windows Vista, those who want to run the Aero Glass UI will definitely need at least 1GB or RAM, modern CPU and an ATI 9700/9800, X800/1600/X1800/X1900 or GeForce 6800, 7600/7800/7900 class videocard with 256MB of onboard memory for "snappy" performance if the BETA 2 is anything to judge it by.


RE: I think part of it...
By Merglet on 6/16/2006 6:23:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Unlike NVIDIA BETA drivers where I'm convinced they just don't want to both getting official WHQL support so they just leave them BETA.


I mean no disrespect, but I'm assuming English isn't your native language. Could you explain what you mean by that sentence?


RE: I think part of it...
By TomZ on 6/16/2006 1:09:33 PM , Rating: 2
WHQL takes time and money, so many companies choose to not get every driver revision certified. But I think this is common knowledge.


By hardwareking on 6/14/2006 10:11:35 AM , Rating: 2
I was planning on upgrading my comp in july.
Specifically the gfx card to an x1900 xt.
So will it be able to run the premium version of vista???
And none of todays cards have HDMi/HDCP compatability.And the ones that do have are the x1600 pro's from asus and his.
So thats not viable for gaming.
Dang.....darn microsoft.




By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/14/2006 10:13:07 AM , Rating: 2
This is just for MS Vista Premium systems. If you roll your own, I think you can get away with pretty much whatever you want. Granted, it probably won't work too well.


By IsDanReally on 6/14/2006 10:43:54 AM , Rating: 2
If you roll you own, it will work fine. Obviously if you want HD-DVD or Blu-Ray to work well, you'll want to be sure your video card had h.264 decoding and possibly HDMI (although I believe that won't affect quality until 2011 or something).


By PrinceGaz on 6/14/2006 6:08:52 PM , Rating: 2
You don't [i]need[/i] hardware-acceleration of H.264/MPEG4 AVC for it to work well, provided you have a fast enough CPU.

Whilst I wish my 6800GT [NV40 core] were able to do the decoding itself, it doesn't matter that it can't because my X2 Toledo clocked at 2.5GHz can handle 1080p with enough power to spare to ensure frames are never dropped (it rarely exceeds 70% total utilisation). It would obviously be better if the CPU didn't have to do all the work, but current dual-core processors from AMD are already powerful enough, and Intel's C2D should also be able to handle 1080p quite easily.

I doubt HDCP will ever be enforced, or by the time it is, it will have been cracked and anyone with non-HDCP compliant hardware will be able to bypass it easily.


By Motley on 6/14/2006 1:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
Nvidia's new card has it as well, the 7950GX2.


By johnsonx on 6/14/2006 4:44:28 PM , Rating: 2
To make Kristopher's point more clear:

These system requirements are NOT requirements to run Vista Premium.

These are what's required for a manufacturer to slap a Vista Premium LOGO on the PC.

Two different things.

When you build your own, you don't care whether Microsoft lets you put a logo on it, right?


uuhh
By Chiisuchianu on 6/14/2006 11:22:00 AM , Rating: 2
Must support booting from USB port.

oh hell naw.. i hope this isnt indication of vista being part of the obnoxious line of software that requires a usb to be plugged in at every moment. even using it just to boot each time would be annoying as hell too.




RE: uuhh
By TomZ on 6/14/2006 11:39:17 AM , Rating: 2
The hardware has the requirement to be able to boot from USB. Doesn't mean you have to use that feature, however.


RE: uuhh
By IsDanReally on 6/14/2006 11:42:58 AM , Rating: 2
Just because something is supported doesn't mean you have to use it. My phone supports calling 911 whenever I want, even for no good reason, but it doesn't mean I take advantage of that support. Just like cars support going the speed limit or even higher, yet that doesn't keep plenty of people from not taking advantage of that as well.


RE: uuhh
By PrinceGaz on 6/14/2006 6:14:22 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I think most people do take advantage of the ability of cars to go over the speed limit. But that is irrelevant to the discussion about USB support.


RE: uuhh
By mlau on 6/15/2006 12:47:53 PM , Rating: 2
This is a great requirement. Forces all vendors to
have a bios being capable of loading an OS from
a USB drive. I will finally be able to put my linux
install on a usb drive, take it with me, and when
I see that vista logo, I will know that it will boot
my personal mobile linux system. HOORAY!


ultimate
By Missing Ghost on 6/14/2006 6:38:16 PM , Rating: 2
If that's the requirements for the premium logo, the requirements for the ULTIMATE logo must be insane.




RE: ultimate
By Scrogneugneu on 6/14/2006 7:49:18 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I heard it required a floppy drive. Completely insane.


RE: ultimate
By clyde on 6/15/2006 4:41:14 AM , Rating: 2
a 5 1/2 one


RE: ultimate
By bollockstogreed on 6/15/2006 10:28:58 AM , Rating: 2
The "Premium" and "Basic" logos do not denote the version of Windows.

There is no ultimate logo. There is a VERSION of Windows called "Ultimate" but it would still get either the "Premium" logo provided the hardware (they real requirement for the logo) is up to spec.


Did everyone miss it?
By Phynaz on 6/14/2006 4:33:57 PM , Rating: 3
Driver quality ratings. This is awsome.




RE: Did everyone miss it?
By pr0nbot on 6/14/06, Rating: 0
RE: Did everyone miss it?
By PrinceGaz on 6/14/2006 6:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
I foresee a slight problem with DQRs. Whilst it seems like a great idea at first, once you think about it there is one major problem.

What sort of users are going to be the type to actually give their ratings on the drivers their system uses? Right, geeks like us. And how many geeks like us are rabid fanbois who will always believe one manufacturer (esp. nVidia or ATI) is infallible while the other sucks. I know not all of us are but there are quite a lot of them out there.

You can guarantee that the nVidiots will rate their drivers 10 and find some way of rating ATI drivers 0, and the fanATIcs will do the exact opposite, turning the whole thing into a farce.

One thing for sure though is that everyone will rate Creative's drivers very low.


RE: Did everyone miss it?
By Questar on 6/14/2006 8:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
End users don't rate the driver quality. Here's what arstechnica had to say on how it works:

quote:
The DQR system relies on scores to indicate a driver's quality level, and it derives those scores from user-submitted crash reports. Microsoft's Online Crash Analysis Team will analyze crash reports to determine the ratio of crashing systems to non-crashing systems. Drivers that rarely cause crashes will be rated "Green," while moderately problematic drivers will be rated "Yellow." The horrid stuff gets a big, fat "Red" rating. (Microsoft has not revealed the exact methodology for determining these scores, only that "Green" maps to 7-9 points, "Yellow" 4-6, and "Red" 1-3.)


support support
By xdrol on 6/14/2006 9:38:37 AM , Rating: 2
Must support multi-monitor support.

I do support multi monitor support as well: "Go Ati/nVidia/etc, and make multi monitor supporting cards!" :D




RE: support support
By TomZ on 6/14/06, Rating: 0
RE: support support
By Trisped on 6/14/2006 11:52:17 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah, pretty much all video cards support multiple outputs. Some support more then 2.


RE: support support
By GoatMonkey on 6/14/2006 1:24:01 PM , Rating: 1
You guys are missing the point missing.


RE: support support
By Ksyder on 6/14/2006 10:10:10 PM , Rating: 2
Lol... sorry waste of your bandwidth here but still got a kick of the above comments!


By UsernameX on 6/14/2006 11:05:23 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft is releasing software that exceeds the capabilities of what most machines are capable of today. This is really a step forward in the right direction even if you have to pump a little money into your machine to run the basic version. Eventually the requirements we see here will be standard and we will see most people running the premium version. Their driver rating system is an invaluable utility if you ask me. As most system failures are caused by a driver bug or instability of a software driver.

If you ask me... it looks like microsoft finally has their marbles together.




By Trisped on 6/14/2006 12:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
It isn't that it exceeds the capabilities of today's PCs, it is that they require complete PCs in order to get the logo. They are probably just trying to encourage hardware evolution so people will think of the computer when they want to watch TV or get a DVR, or watch a movie.

I like the idea of the driver rating system, and hope that they come out with one for software too. Still, we will have to see how the implement it first, as it could go either way.


By Eric2203 on 6/14/2006 8:02:05 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed, this is very good news. You're guranteed some level of performance if you buy a Premium one at least. Some features are also interestingly high-end. Not something you'd think of on a somewhat cheap PC (the very cheap ones will run the Basic version I guess).

I like the scaling of the new Windows versions too. Finally one can have the functionnalities of Media Center and Professional in one product.


Confusion
By Egglick on 6/14/2006 11:03:48 AM , Rating: 3
I think you guys are confused. "Vista Premium" is just a logo that companies will put on their computers, showing that they are superior systems. It's basically so people can just glance at a computer and go "Oh, that's got a Vista Premium logo....it must be a good computer".

This is actually a good thing, because it guarantees that companies can't sell people crap if they want to get the logo.




RE: Confusion
By Trisped on 6/14/2006 12:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
I thought that too, then I saw:
quote:
The actual names of Windows Vista versions are:

I want to see a list of what each version does and how much it costs before I make a decision. I bet Business doesn't have the MCE stuff and Home doesn't have the domain controller. Maybe Ultimate will have everything...


By lemonadesoda on 6/14/2006 3:01:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...must have Windows Vista Green Button on all remotes


...basically forcing OEM and 3rd party to create products with M$ branding built it. Nice advertising policy. And good tie in that M$, basically a software company, it earning a credible position as "authenticator" and "certification authority". Great link to hardware control.

And definitely a step forward (from a branding perpective) compared to Intel's efforts like "ding-dong- intel inside".




By PrinceGaz on 6/14/2006 6:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when I read about the Vista green-button nonsense.

I've always thought that Intel made a mistake with their ding-dong Intel-inside branding by not having the mobo play the dings through the PC speaker when it gets to the POST screen. Wouldn't it be cool if all Intel machines played it every time they boot up.


"Platform" logo
By Wilco on 6/14/2006 3:04:29 PM , Rating: 2
As far as I can see this isn't like a "windows vista capable" logo. Having this logo doesn't mean it can run those SKUs. it means that it must HAVE one of those Premium SKUs installed (i.e. not home basic).

ALSO it must include the hardware requirements listed. Its very muct like the Centrino / VIIV logos from Intel (Forgotten the amd version (Turion ?)), except it doesn't tie you to a particular manufacturer like Intel. Its a set of minimum requirements that mean when people see the logo they think "This is an above standard PC". As you can tell its geared towards home entertainment. The only reason they haven't specified a HD Drive is because they don't know which one will prevail yet. It's not like every PC made will have to have this logo on it.




RE: "Platform" logo
By Wilco on 6/14/2006 3:05:26 PM , Rating: 2
Addendum. A vista premium ready PC (confusing :) ) requirements are listed here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/cap...

and are completely different.


Hmm
By gramboh on 6/14/2006 4:29:42 PM , Rating: 2
If I were a small local builder I would just buy the Vista Premium stickers on eBay and slap them on the case. Just kidding :)

Argh stupid HDCP, I hope it goes away, I refuse to buy/support it. If it comes down to it I will just rip the content to RAW and play it that way or pirate it. I refuse to use hardware level DRM on hardware/content I am paying for.




RE: Hmm
By rrsurfer1 on 6/15/2006 10:30:26 AM , Rating: 2
I agree about HDCP. I won't support it. I won't buy HDCP content, ever.


This is for marketing only
By pixelslave on 6/14/2006 11:50:58 AM , Rating: 2
Folks, this is mainly for marketing purpose only. A manufacturer who sells a new PC must meet the Premium specification if they want to display the Windows Vista Premium compliant logo. But that doesn't mean you can't run Vista Pre. on that machine -- provided that you have a fast enough video card, a faster than average CPU, enough RAM and HD, I don't see why you can't run Vista Pre.

In general, it's a nice thing to have a strict standard for Windows Pre. I've seen so many people buying PC with some very fast CPU, but with 512Mb ram (or less) and integrated video.




...
By Trisped on 6/14/2006 11:51:11 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds pretty good, but it still leaves me with a lot of questions… If you can boot off a flash drive, will the OS allow you to boot any computer using the same windows install? Or will it complain that your video card isn’t installed correctly?
SATA 2.5 is the same as SATA II right? Where the increased speed and complete options sets are required…
What is so special about a green button on the controllers? Does that mean I shouldn’t expect ATI Remotes to ship with my OS?
quote:
Must support multi-monitor support
Take out the first support.
quote:
How will Microsoft will enforce this policy remains to be seen
Take out first will




couple of points
By Pabby on 6/14/2006 2:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
Ok I agree with keeping the standards high especially when it comes to the driver stuff but I have a couple of questions.

Are smaller OEM's like your local mom and pawp computer store gonna be able to get these premium badges on their systems or is it gonna be available only for the big boys like HP and Dell?

And this multi-monitor support means 2 outputs right? one of which can be a monitor and the other a TV? I guess we'll be saying goodbye to integrated graphics solutions on the premium systems with perhaps a single dvi or vga connector on the back panel.




GloatWare!
By Griswold on 6/14/2006 5:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
I can already hear it:

Yo, my PimpRig has a Vista UltraSuperDuper Premium badge on it! And yours? No? Pwnd n00blet!!




Premium Premium?
By Lord Evermore on 6/15/2006 2:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
They really should have come up with some other name than Premium for the logo. Requiring these things to get the Premium logo implies that it won't run Premium versions of the OS unless it has the logo. It should be Premium Deluxe or something like that (although I think that's a brand of cake mix).




Vista Logos (stickers for PC)
By Shreker on 6/19/2006 3:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
H!
When i can't find really(official logos) Vista premium/basic for PC. I looking for on GooGle, but nothing found. You can help me?




By a1trips on 6/25/2006 11:29:33 AM , Rating: 2
maybe off topic,
but i am not going to touch another microsoft Product if it's the fucking last company on Earth.
Caveat emptor.
After having paid an extortionate amount of money( my monthly wages) to buy an XP licence for my home pc's.. M$ bSOD's all of them through wga notifications as date and time are set to the wrong timezone . spent one nasty weekend.. and im buying pirated , Just you watch, MS
// done.. phew!




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