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But trouble phonemaker does manage to be the street's pessimistic predictions

Generally it's a sign that things are looking fairly dire when a company goes to sell its headquarters.  And for embattled Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V), another quarter has come and gone with news of a fresh round of financials [PDF] which, on the surface, look very ugly.

Nokia made €7.24B (~$9.49B USD) in revenue over the quarter, down 4 percent from last quarter and 19 percent from last year.  But there was a bit of good news.  Of 23 analysts surveyed by The Financial Times (UK), the average expectation was revenue of €6.93B (~$9.08B USD).  In other words things look very bad, but not quite as bad as the gloomy estimates lofted by the street.

Also in the good news category, Nokia managed to move 2.9 million Lumia (Windows Phones) in the quarter, despite an impending update to Windows Phone 8 on the horizon (which will not support current handsets).  That's down approximately a quarter from the 4 million moved in Q2, but, again, even the most successful smartphone companies like Apple, Inc. (AAPL) see similar dips at the end of their product cycle.

In the losses category, Nokia reduced its €826M ($1.08B USD) loss (Q2) to €576M ($755M USD) (Q3).  Losing three-quarters of a billion dollars in a quarter is bad by any measure, but the trimmed loss does offer some signs of hope for Nokia.

Nokia rebuts the argument that Windows Phone 8 and the Lumia 810/820/822/920s are its "last chance" at remaining relevant in the smartphone argument.  However, the sustained quarters of large losses would certainly seem to suggest that time is running out for Nokia -- once the world's largest smartphone maker -- to win customers back.

Sources: Nokia, FT [analyst estimates]

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RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 5:30:19 PM , Rating: 3
Nokia soon enough.

The launch demographic of Windows Phone 8 is huge Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, TMobile, China's largest carrier and Rogers of Canada etc.

AT&T & Rogers get the Nokia 920.
Verizon gets the Nokia 822 and 922.
Not sure what Sprint, TMobile get I think the 810
China gets the 920T
920 Also going to France and Italy already pre-orderable.
Russia, Germany, Vodafone DE get the 920 and 820

Windows Phone has been gaining market share not in the US but international its growing. With Verizon this time around we should easily see growth.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 5:43:18 PM , Rating: 2
No, it shrank again in the latest #'s... Its a good OS, but for whatever reason its not gaining any traction.

Most top end phones are available on most carriers. Its not like Nokia has some advantage there. Win8 will probably do better, but its not going to dent Androids 68% and Apple 17% global market share #'s.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:24:57 PM , Rating: 3
You mean me right?

October 26th mark the date and by the end of November I think you'll be sick of it by then.

Roughly 800 million service subscribers globally will finally have a chance to purchase a Windows Phone product with their service plan. A Market place closing in on 150,000 apps, Hardware that matches what Android users brag about, an OS that is excellent and stable, an eco system that is second to none, and finally those 800 million from carriers that didn't carry a Windows Phone prior will now be able to get a Windows Phone.

Windows 8 will carry a 1.5-1.8 Billion dollar marketing plan and have the backing of all the Phone Carriers including Verizon this time around and AT&T doing a major push for that third eco system.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:51:23 PM , Rating: 2
I would agree Microsoft has an uphill battle but its making ground not in the US yet but once they are on Verizon they will.

AT&T never marketed the Windows phone well and the other carriers didnt give it the time of day. Maybe rightfully so it lacked apps and wasnt cutting edge hardware but it didnt need it. Your going to see Verizon and AT&T pushing it this time as its got a lot going for it.

Microsoft has corrected about anything someone can complain about this time around with Windows Phone 8. Sure out of 150,000 apps there are a few titles they dont have but there is plenty to do on the device to keep you busy and plenty of alternatives to anything popular not on the device yet.

Heck I love my Windows Phone 7 all I want is an updated camera with my Windows Phone but Ill take all the additional perks the new device has to offer.

I still have never had to reboot my Windows Phone which is why Im sticking with it. Rock Solid. Plenty of things to do with it. Time to get 1080P video recording and a high quality camera.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 7:39:36 PM , Rating: 2
"I would agree Microsoft has an uphill battle but its making ground not in the US yet but once they are on Verizon they will."

Being available and being psuhed, and more importantly purchased by the masses isnt the same thing... Just ask Palm how being on Verizon helped.

I am sure it will grow with WP8, but dont count on a major marketshare shift.

By mcnabney on 10/19/2012 9:56:41 AM , Rating: 2
I think that it has more to do with the average consumer not wanting to have more Microsoft in their lives. There isn't much choice on the computer - Apple costs a lot more and Linux can't run many of the apps that might be required. In the mobile sector - there is actual competition - something that Microsoft doesn't do well with.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By ctodd on 10/19/2012 10:04:04 AM , Rating: 1
That is a whole lot of spin for something that isn't even out yet. I hope you're not disappointed!

Sure out of 150,000 apps there are a few titles they dont have but there is plenty to do on the device to keep you busy

Are you talking about titty jiggling apps? I'm serious; I'm blown away by the number of useless apps that are out there. Apple and Android are both guilty of this as well, but every time I look for an app I have on the other platforms, I can't find crap! They aren't going anywhere without good apps!

Also, when MS wakes up and realizes that not everyone thinks Metro UI is attractive or efficient, things might change. I mean… it is like someone painting a car teal with pink stripes because they think it is cool and different and everyone will just line up to buy it. The sad part is, their entire product lineup is using it!

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/19/2012 11:48:13 AM , Rating: 2
I really tried not to go there with that and fart/flashlight apps comments but someone will point out their fax service or other vague application that maybe 100 people have a use for.

I even avoided talking how since Android is so popular that its now the focus of Malware attacks. Market share comes with its negatives.

About 20 percent of the 48,000 apps in the Android marketplace allow a third-party application access to sensitive or private information, according to a report released on Tuesday.

FBI issues warning over Android malware attacks

Metro/Tiles arent so bad its just monochrome icons with a background color but there are apps to change the tiles to include images to change it up.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/20/2012 9:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Mitch you sound no different than an Windows vs. MacOS argument circa 1990's. Which is ironic given how much you support Microsoft here.

Yes Android's open platform comes with some security concerns. Did this stop Windows from becoming a great OS?

By Mitch101 on 10/20/2012 10:42:00 AM , Rating: 2
I support Microsoft because they make a great product. Their products work great for me and I get a lot of the decisions they make. I opposed the ribbon at first then I learned to embrace it. I opposed Windows 8 on the desktop then I learned I like it more than Windows 7. Vista was fine for me I had the hardware so no issue there. If the product isn't great they make good on it. People can complain about their first generation X-Box but Microsoft did the right thing and extended the warranty and offered replacements. My current device might not be upgradable to 8.0 but they offered up 7.8 which is not supposed to degrade the performance of my existing device. I need to upgrade my Windows Phone 7 because I want a 1080P camera with image stabilization not for any other reason Im very happy with the device and its performance on its lowly single core 800mhz processor its fast and responsive and has never crashed, frozen, or needed a battery pull.

Where a company like Apple denies the issues and takes the cheap solution. This started way back with the NVIDIA chipset where Apple cranked up the fan instead of offering a replacement if the hardware died out early. Apples your holding it wrong and don't take pictures that way are not ways to earn my respect. They have a camera solution just roll the lens back to the previous iPhone that worked great. Changing a connector they know people have invested heavily into supporting product and then charging $30.00 for an adapter is just crapping on your community. On one hand because Apple makes so few devices they do offer software upgrades for older hardware however that may degrade the performance of your device forcing you to upgrade.

For Android ALL of my devices either have freezing, weird video issues, and locks up requiring me to hard reset and pull batteries and as for upgrades they are non existant 6 months after the product is sold to me. Not a chance of things better better without having to buy a newer device. Sure the software is getting better but the big name hardware companies selling the hardware give up on software updates almost the day you buy them. Maybe this is due to the number of different devices they sell but the upgrade path is poor and Im tired of the software crashing. The same reason people said they hated Windows back in the 98 and early 2000 days they accept on Android. Android doesnt have the security experience that Microsoft does Im sorry I find too many negatives in going this route. Some day they will get it right but they have convinced me to go with Microsoft.

I owned 3 Apple devices (1 Died, 1 is not used I prefer my Sansas, 1 Apple device is still going strong). Ive been through 6 Android devices only the Nook color is still used with occasional issues and I deal with the wife and her Samsung Android Phone every month for a battery pull. Ive got one Windows Phone that is rock solid and the First opportunity I have to put the wife on Windows Phone 8 Im taking it.

Android had 6 tries to convince me and Im not convinced. I can add work experience too since I work in the Mobile sector but I have other things to do with my life than support.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:02:24 PM , Rating: 3
In the United States yes but elsewhere it is growing.

In Italy, Windows Phone achieved a 10.4% share in the 12 weeks to 2 September 2012, the first time the platform has hit double digits for market share in a single country .

Across the "big five" EU countries – the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain and France – Windows Phone now shows a 5% share, up one point from a year ago

In Brazil it had 47.1% of sales, compared to 19.6% a year ago – and zoomed past Symbian, which last year had 64.5% of sales for the 12-week period. That has dropped to 26.7%, although Windows Phone has jumped to 12.2% , suggesting that Nokia has a total market there of 38.9% – almost certainly bigger than any single rival.

Kantar in July confirmed that Australian Windows Phone sales now made up almost 5% of new devices sold, versus the same period 12 months earlier of 2.1%!

VERIZON - 111.3million subscribers - Now getting Windows Phone

China Mobile has 655 million subscribers and is the biggest carrier in the world, and tellingly has still not agreed to carry the iPhone , certainly a helpful advantage for Nokia Lumia 920T sales.

RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 7:36:26 PM , Rating: 1
Listing a few countries here and there means nothing. Look at one figure - global sales. This means everything. Its not growing. At least not up until the latest #'s, it actually surprisingly shrank, which was kind of a head scratcher.

By Mitch101 on 10/19/2012 9:26:32 AM , Rating: 2
Are you completely overlooking the two largest carriers that are going to be carrying the Windows Phones?

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