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But trouble phonemaker does manage to be the street's pessimistic predictions

Generally it's a sign that things are looking fairly dire when a company goes to sell its headquarters.  And for embattled Finnish phonemaker Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V), another quarter has come and gone with news of a fresh round of financials [PDF] which, on the surface, look very ugly.

Nokia made €7.24B (~$9.49B USD) in revenue over the quarter, down 4 percent from last quarter and 19 percent from last year.  But there was a bit of good news.  Of 23 analysts surveyed by The Financial Times (UK), the average expectation was revenue of €6.93B (~$9.08B USD).  In other words things look very bad, but not quite as bad as the gloomy estimates lofted by the street.

Also in the good news category, Nokia managed to move 2.9 million Lumia (Windows Phones) in the quarter, despite an impending update to Windows Phone 8 on the horizon (which will not support current handsets).  That's down approximately a quarter from the 4 million moved in Q2, but, again, even the most successful smartphone companies like Apple, Inc. (AAPL) see similar dips at the end of their product cycle.

In the losses category, Nokia reduced its €826M ($1.08B USD) loss (Q2) to €576M ($755M USD) (Q3).  Losing three-quarters of a billion dollars in a quarter is bad by any measure, but the trimmed loss does offer some signs of hope for Nokia.


Nokia rebuts the argument that Windows Phone 8 and the Lumia 810/820/822/920s are its "last chance" at remaining relevant in the smartphone argument.  However, the sustained quarters of large losses would certainly seem to suggest that time is running out for Nokia -- once the world's largest smartphone maker -- to win customers back.

Sources: Nokia, FT [analyst estimates]



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So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Arsynic on 10/18/2012 1:05:06 PM , Rating: 1
Release their flagship phone on one carrier and not the biggest one at that.




RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 1:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
It has alot to do with hang on to their previous OS years past its relevance (Symbian), then make a change, way too late and change to the one OS with 3% marketshare (Winmobile) instead of the one with over 50% marketshare (Android)

So, in short, make bad decisions year after year after year and your profit hurts... Imagine that.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By corduroygt on 10/18/2012 1:23:26 PM , Rating: 1
Tell me a single phone manufacturer besides Samsung that makes profits off of Android. Why would it be different for Nokia?


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 1:34:12 PM , Rating: 2
Tell me who is making profit with WinMobile...

Motorola and HTC are losing money because of their own inefficiencies and poor product quality. It has nothing to do with Android.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 5:30:19 PM , Rating: 3
Nokia soon enough.

The launch demographic of Windows Phone 8 is huge Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, TMobile, China's largest carrier and Rogers of Canada etc.

AT&T & Rogers get the Nokia 920.
Verizon gets the Nokia 822 and 922.
Not sure what Sprint, TMobile get I think the 810
China gets the 920T
920 Also going to France and Italy already pre-orderable.
Russia, Germany, Vodafone DE get the 920 and 820

Windows Phone has been gaining market share not in the US but international its growing. With Verizon this time around we should easily see growth.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 5:43:18 PM , Rating: 2
No, it shrank again in the latest #'s... Its a good OS, but for whatever reason its not gaining any traction.

Most top end phones are available on most carriers. Its not like Nokia has some advantage there. Win8 will probably do better, but its not going to dent Androids 68% and Apple 17% global market share #'s.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:24:57 PM , Rating: 3
You mean me right?

October 26th mark the date and by the end of November I think you'll be sick of it by then.

Roughly 800 million service subscribers globally will finally have a chance to purchase a Windows Phone product with their service plan. A Market place closing in on 150,000 apps, Hardware that matches what Android users brag about, an OS that is excellent and stable, an eco system that is second to none, and finally those 800 million from carriers that didn't carry a Windows Phone prior will now be able to get a Windows Phone.

Windows 8 will carry a 1.5-1.8 Billion dollar marketing plan and have the backing of all the Phone Carriers including Verizon this time around and AT&T doing a major push for that third eco system.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:51:23 PM , Rating: 2
I would agree Microsoft has an uphill battle but its making ground not in the US yet but once they are on Verizon they will.

AT&T never marketed the Windows phone well and the other carriers didnt give it the time of day. Maybe rightfully so it lacked apps and wasnt cutting edge hardware but it didnt need it. Your going to see Verizon and AT&T pushing it this time as its got a lot going for it.

Microsoft has corrected about anything someone can complain about this time around with Windows Phone 8. Sure out of 150,000 apps there are a few titles they dont have but there is plenty to do on the device to keep you busy and plenty of alternatives to anything popular not on the device yet.

Heck I love my Windows Phone 7 all I want is an updated camera with my Windows Phone but Ill take all the additional perks the new device has to offer.

I still have never had to reboot my Windows Phone which is why Im sticking with it. Rock Solid. Plenty of things to do with it. Time to get 1080P video recording and a high quality camera.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 7:39:36 PM , Rating: 2
"I would agree Microsoft has an uphill battle but its making ground not in the US yet but once they are on Verizon they will."

Being available and being psuhed, and more importantly purchased by the masses isnt the same thing... Just ask Palm how being on Verizon helped.

I am sure it will grow with WP8, but dont count on a major marketshare shift.


By mcnabney on 10/19/2012 9:56:41 AM , Rating: 2
I think that it has more to do with the average consumer not wanting to have more Microsoft in their lives. There isn't much choice on the computer - Apple costs a lot more and Linux can't run many of the apps that might be required. In the mobile sector - there is actual competition - something that Microsoft doesn't do well with.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By ctodd on 10/19/2012 10:04:04 AM , Rating: 1
That is a whole lot of spin for something that isn't even out yet. I hope you're not disappointed!
quote:

Sure out of 150,000 apps there are a few titles they dont have but there is plenty to do on the device to keep you busy

Are you talking about titty jiggling apps? I'm serious; I'm blown away by the number of useless apps that are out there. Apple and Android are both guilty of this as well, but every time I look for an app I have on the other platforms, I can't find crap! They aren't going anywhere without good apps!

Also, when MS wakes up and realizes that not everyone thinks Metro UI is attractive or efficient, things might change. I mean… it is like someone painting a car teal with pink stripes because they think it is cool and different and everyone will just line up to buy it. The sad part is, their entire product lineup is using it!


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/19/2012 11:48:13 AM , Rating: 2
I really tried not to go there with that and fart/flashlight apps comments but someone will point out their fax service or other vague application that maybe 100 people have a use for.

I even avoided talking how since Android is so popular that its now the focus of Malware attacks. Market share comes with its negatives.

About 20 percent of the 48,000 apps in the Android marketplace allow a third-party application access to sensitive or private information, according to a report released on Tuesday.
http://www.zdnet.com/news/report-be-aware-of-andro...

FBI issues warning over Android malware attacks
http://macdailynews.com/2012/10/15/fbi-issues-warn...

Metro/Tiles arent so bad its just monochrome icons with a background color but there are apps to change the tiles to include images to change it up.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/20/2012 9:46:06 AM , Rating: 2
Mitch you sound no different than an Windows vs. MacOS argument circa 1990's. Which is ironic given how much you support Microsoft here.

Yes Android's open platform comes with some security concerns. Did this stop Windows from becoming a great OS?


By Mitch101 on 10/20/2012 10:42:00 AM , Rating: 2
I support Microsoft because they make a great product. Their products work great for me and I get a lot of the decisions they make. I opposed the ribbon at first then I learned to embrace it. I opposed Windows 8 on the desktop then I learned I like it more than Windows 7. Vista was fine for me I had the hardware so no issue there. If the product isn't great they make good on it. People can complain about their first generation X-Box but Microsoft did the right thing and extended the warranty and offered replacements. My current device might not be upgradable to 8.0 but they offered up 7.8 which is not supposed to degrade the performance of my existing device. I need to upgrade my Windows Phone 7 because I want a 1080P camera with image stabilization not for any other reason Im very happy with the device and its performance on its lowly single core 800mhz processor its fast and responsive and has never crashed, frozen, or needed a battery pull.

Where a company like Apple denies the issues and takes the cheap solution. This started way back with the NVIDIA chipset where Apple cranked up the fan instead of offering a replacement if the hardware died out early. Apples your holding it wrong and don't take pictures that way are not ways to earn my respect. They have a camera solution just roll the lens back to the previous iPhone that worked great. Changing a connector they know people have invested heavily into supporting product and then charging $30.00 for an adapter is just crapping on your community. On one hand because Apple makes so few devices they do offer software upgrades for older hardware however that may degrade the performance of your device forcing you to upgrade.

For Android ALL of my devices either have freezing, weird video issues, and locks up requiring me to hard reset and pull batteries and as for upgrades they are non existant 6 months after the product is sold to me. Not a chance of things better better without having to buy a newer device. Sure the software is getting better but the big name hardware companies selling the hardware give up on software updates almost the day you buy them. Maybe this is due to the number of different devices they sell but the upgrade path is poor and Im tired of the software crashing. The same reason people said they hated Windows back in the 98 and early 2000 days they accept on Android. Android doesnt have the security experience that Microsoft does Im sorry I find too many negatives in going this route. Some day they will get it right but they have convinced me to go with Microsoft.

I owned 3 Apple devices (1 Died, 1 is not used I prefer my Sansas, 1 Apple device is still going strong). Ive been through 6 Android devices only the Nook color is still used with occasional issues and I deal with the wife and her Samsung Android Phone every month for a battery pull. Ive got one Windows Phone that is rock solid and the First opportunity I have to put the wife on Windows Phone 8 Im taking it.

Android had 6 tries to convince me and Im not convinced. I can add work experience too since I work in the Mobile sector but I have other things to do with my life than support.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:02:24 PM , Rating: 3
In the United States yes but elsewhere it is growing.

In Italy, Windows Phone achieved a 10.4% share in the 12 weeks to 2 September 2012, the first time the platform has hit double digits for market share in a single country .

Across the "big five" EU countries – the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain and France – Windows Phone now shows a 5% share, up one point from a year ago

In Brazil it had 47.1% of sales, compared to 19.6% a year ago – and zoomed past Symbian, which last year had 64.5% of sales for the 12-week period. That has dropped to 26.7%, although Windows Phone has jumped to 12.2% , suggesting that Nokia has a total market there of 38.9% – almost certainly bigger than any single rival.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/02/w...

Kantar in July confirmed that Australian Windows Phone sales now made up almost 5% of new devices sold, versus the same period 12 months earlier of 2.1%!

http://www.wpdownunder.com/?p=5634

VERIZON - 111.3million subscribers - Now getting Windows Phone

China Mobile has 655 million subscribers and is the biggest carrier in the world, and tellingly has still not agreed to carry the iPhone , certainly a helpful advantage for Nokia Lumia 920T sales.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 7:36:26 PM , Rating: 1
Listing a few countries here and there means nothing. Look at one figure - global sales. This means everything. Its not growing. At least not up until the latest #'s, it actually surprisingly shrank, which was kind of a head scratcher.


By Mitch101 on 10/19/2012 9:26:32 AM , Rating: 2
Are you completely overlooking the two largest carriers that are going to be carrying the Windows Phones?


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2012 5:40:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Motorola and HTC are losing money because of their own inefficiencies and poor product quality


Well it doesn't help that they have to pay MS like $20 bucks per handset sold. Multiply that by however many phones they sell...yeah, not exactly small change.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Mitch101 on 10/18/2012 6:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
Probably more soon

Microsoft sues Google over Android OS patent infringements
http://www.examiner.com/article/microsoft-sues-goo...

Google is already being sued over patents Oracle gained when they bought Sun Microsystems over the Java engine used in the operating system.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2012 7:16:13 PM , Rating: 1
Yes and aren't you just jumping for joy.

That judge nailed it. We need patent reform and need it now. The consumers, not lawyers, should be the decider.

quote:
Google is already being sued over patents Oracle gained when they bought Sun Microsystems over the Java engine used in the operating system.


Oracle has no case imo, but we'll see. They could always get another biased paid off judge like whatsherface in Cali.


By Mitch101 on 10/20/2012 10:54:59 AM , Rating: 2
In a way yes I have Google ads on my sites for years and had a great month beginning this year then Google decided that they should give clicks on my site for FREE. I get free coffee and hosting out of the deal not going to be rich from it. I sent in tons of WTF on why am I using them if they are not going to pay anything for clicks. Heck if a click only pays a nickle sure its not popular but they downright gave me $0.00 for tons of traffic and clicks. I wasn't accused of click fraud I guess they just decided I didn't deserve anything after having a high month and that they can do whatever the hell they wanted. Now I think they probably did this to a ton of people trying to make up for their poor quarter. Screw the little guy. Its recently changed and now Im getting paid for clicks again but the damage is already done. Ive since removed all but one Google Ad on one site. I suspect that's why other companies might be moving on from using them. Maybe that's a part of their bottom line loss is screwing sites over. The very foundation to what made them.

If Google is on the decline its their own doing.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By zlandar on 10/18/2012 1:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to use that argument name one company making a profit on Win mobile smartphones.

The amount of money MS is paying Nokia to be Win mobile exclusive is nowhere close to allowing Nokia to stay aloft. Was that money worth putting all of Nokia's eggs in one basket with less than 5% market share?

Who knows how many people would have bought a Lumia with Android on it.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 1:53:12 PM , Rating: 2
exactly... If you wnat to make profit you have to sell phones. If you want to sell phones you need to use the OS that people are buying. Right now Android is getting over 50% of the market, Apple 17% and the rest is RIM, Winmobile and dumbphones. Obviously Apple is closed, so Android is the only choice.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Tony Swash on 10/19/2012 10:01:36 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
exactly... If you wnat to make profit you have to sell phones. If you want to sell phones you need to use the OS that people are buying. Right now Android is getting over 50% of the market, Apple 17%


I think you need to do more than just sell phones. Apple makes 75% of all the profits of the world's entire handset business (not just smart phones) on 17% of the smart phone market. Other than Samsung nobody is making profits on Android. In order to make profits you do need to sell products but at the right price compared to costs.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By elleehswon on 10/19/2012 10:28:44 AM , Rating: 2
so, what you're telling me is that apple is price gouging?


By Cheesew1z69 on 10/19/2012 10:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
More like overpriced...


By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2012 5:16:09 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Who knows how many people would have bought a Lumia with Android on it.


Hell I would buy an iPhone and an iPad if I could run Android on it. Great hardware, retarded OS.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Tony Swash on 10/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 2:29:55 PM , Rating: 3
OK, so revenue was 11.3 billion instead of the expected 11.9 billion. What a fiasco, better close up shop. LOL.

got any more FUD Tony?

"Search giant Google also missed its revenue number, which came in at $11.3 billion, excluding traffic acquisition costs, according to Trade the News. Wall Street expected Google to deliver $11.9 billion in sales. Consolidated revenues grew 45% to $14.1 billion."


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By sviola on 10/18/2012 3:03:35 PM , Rating: 2
Well, they took a 9% plunge on their stock and had their stocks removed from trading.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2012 3:30:31 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? Stocks removed from trading? Um....

https://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:...

???


By TakinYourPoints on 10/18/2012 3:47:40 PM , Rating: 2
Trading on GOOG was halted after it dropped 10% in minutes. This sometimes happens when moves this big occur.

Earnings were leaked out early. This is why companies announce earnings outside of trading hours. It was supposed to be announced after trading today, not in the middle of the day.


By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 3:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
The market always reacts that way when revenues are missed. Not really a big deal, unless its followed up quarter after quarter with no improvement plan... And certainly not a problem with Android.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Tony Swash on 10/18/12, Rating: -1
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/18/2012 3:35:30 PM , Rating: 2
Cool story bro...


By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 3:40:26 PM , Rating: 2
Long haul Tony, you dont operate a multi billion dollar company 1 quarter at a time. Remember, even the holy all mighty Apple almost went out of business once upon a time.

But, then again, you already know that. You are just here trying to spread your piddly agenda.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Tony Swash on 10/18/2012 6:23:14 PM , Rating: 1
I found the figure I was looking for and the news is again not good for Google. Paid clicks increased 33% year-over-year, while cost per click fell 15%. So again what you have is Google scaling up it's ad business, by inserting more ads in more of it's services, but the cost of those ads declining. Google is selling more but making less profit. I wonder what will happen when the routes to greater ad density and click though becomes saturated?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/10/...


By retrospooty on 10/18/2012 7:40:56 PM , Rating: 2
Keep searching for more spin fodder Tony. Just curious, what are you using to search? Google? ;)


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By JKflipflop98 on 10/19/2012 12:53:18 AM , Rating: 2
Apple nearly went bankrupt and died without Steve Jobs. The only thing that saved them from complete implosion was bringing Steve back. That isn't an option this time around.

Now we have the iPad mini LOLOL


By Tony Swash on 10/19/2012 9:08:13 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple nearly went bankrupt and died without Steve Jobs. The only thing that saved them from complete implosion was bringing Steve back. That isn't an option this time around.


Apple are doooooomed!!! Again


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2012 5:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia was an absolute GIANT in this industry...

that was, until they signed with Microsoft.

You figure it out, it's not rocket science.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By corduroygt on 10/18/2012 6:08:10 PM , Rating: 2
60 fps smoothness of Windows Phone beats every Android headset and every iPhone up to 5 and ties with 5.

Don't count out Microsoft, some people want something that just works smoothly without having to put the work into it. Also live tiles are better than what iOS has.

I have an iPhone 5 by the way and I can appreciate what Microsoft did with WP.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/18/2012 11:27:59 PM , Rating: 1
Sorry but the "popularity" argument sort of ends when people spend their money on something and sign a two year contract to use it.

But yeah just pretend it's "popularity" and nobody is making a cost vs. value assessment.

Typical iDiot. When Apple sells the most of something, it's "the best". When Android does, it's a misplaced popularity contest.

I guess you're saying the iPad sucks? I mean it's the most popular tablet, so clearly it's not the best.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/19/2012 3:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
You don't get it.

Popularity and quality don't necessarily go hand in hand, that's the point. The best platform can be the most popular or the least popular, same applies with an inferior platform. The PC is less popular than any of the consoles, yet in many ways it is still the best gaming platform. This isn't a hard concept.

Typical one-dimensional thinking from you.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/19/2012 5:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
I get it. You can't stand that Android is pulling ahead of everyone else, so have to rely on these ancillary talking points about "quality" (subjective) and "inferiority", again, subjective viewpoints. Next you'll be left with quoting Apple's profits and stock values like Tony.

Look Takin I get that you love closed systems and walled gardens and the "control" Apple and Microsoft exert on their platforms. You view Android as messy, too "fragmented" (fanboi code for CHOICE), and unfocused. You've said this a million times. Well congratulations, but you aren't everyone. These are your opinions and perspectives, but you need to drop the act that you're some sort of authority on what's quality and inferior.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/19/2012 9:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
I don't care that Android is popular, I care that it is a second rate mobile OS. Even Google clearly agrees with the issues I've had over the years, Every major release they've had has been slowly addressing them. Next on the list: Greater control over the OS, taking more control of updates and the UI away from carriers.

At least they aren't living in denial about the drawbacks of their OS the same way you apologists are.


By TakinYourPoints on 10/19/2012 9:53:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
(fanboi code for CHOICE)


I'm a-ok with choice. Again, one-dimensional thinking on your part, I'm not against choice on a broad level, my issue is that choice hasn't resulted in enough benefits practically speaking.

"Control" has mainly been for the benefit of the carrier and the OEM, not the customer. At best the customer gets a 5" screen and a keyboard, which again is totally fine, I think that's great. Choice has also resulted in it being a #2 target development platform and carriers (the same ones that screw you over with their rate structures) withholding updates in order to motivate more frequent smartphone purchases. You really want to be on the side of the carriers?

If control meant a better experience in the ways that matter then it wouldn't be a negative at all. Unfortunately it has resulted in something that isn't as good as some of the other options out there. Sorry if you can't deal with that.


RE: So They Come Up With a Winning Strategy...
By Reclaimer77 on 10/20/2012 9:41:36 AM , Rating: 2
You keep saying I'm "one dimensional" but you cannot grasp that all of these things you're saying are just based on your own biases and personal preferences.

Takin maybe, just maybe, there is a world of people out there who don't share your point of view on things?

And yes, excuse Google for not releasing a perfect flaw-free Android on their very first version. It's laughable that you cite improvements to the OS as evidence for your argument.

And Android apologist? That doesn't even have meaning. I'm telling you that I use it daily, I enjoy it, it's solid and works well for me. It does everything I need it to do...wtf, how does that make someone an "apologist"??

quote:
If control meant a better experience in the ways that matter then it wouldn't be a negative at all. Unfortunately it has resulted in something that isn't as good as some of the other options out there. Sorry if you can't deal with that.


Again Takin, you aren't the grand arbiter of what a good experience is. Get the hell over yourself, YOU need to deal with that.

I think I've finally come to understand that you cannot see the forest from the trees. That is to say, you absolutely cannot see past Androids flaws to understand it's benefits, or why so many people prefer it. You rant about Android five times more than I've EVER criticized Apple. It's getting absurd at this point.

Do you enjoy this? Cause honestly I don't, not anymore. I'm not sure if you're being purposefully obtuse or just THAT clouded with your pretentious views of what a phone should or should not be....


By TakinYourPoints on 10/21/2012 12:58:07 AM , Rating: 2
And you cannot recognize the benefits of an iOS ecosystem, batter hardware, centralized support, and better apps.

You and many others here put a blanket "iSheep" label on anyone who likes those products, never considering that there are very logical and practical reasons why they would be chosen.

You yourself cannot see past what you perceive to be flaws (closed, no SD card, etc) to recognize its benefits.

Such hypocrisy and myopia with you.


By Mitch101 on 10/19/2012 11:54:23 AM , Rating: 2
I think your timelines are way off Nokia was in a significant decline way before signing with Microsoft.

What Nokia Proved is if you provide a quality high end device for Microsoft Windows Phone OS people will buy it. Thats only going to get better when they get on the two worlds largest carriers and people finally start seeing the devices.


By T2k on 10/23/2012 4:07:23 PM , Rating: 2
Formerly known as Sony Ericsson, Sony Mobile is turning profit on its Android phones and is now bigger in most part of Europe than RIM or even Nokia.

Nokia and Windows Mobile is just a crap that MS is trying to push like 'so different' - yeah, the same way a retarded is 'different', sort of of...


By Gungel on 10/18/2012 1:18:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure the next quarter will look much better despite of selling the 920 on one carrier only. And don't forget the 820/822. Not everyone likes a 4.5" screen.


By jimbojimbo on 10/18/2012 11:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
Although I agree that the exclusivity deal is stupid there is a market outside of the US you know, right?


"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it." -- SCEA President Jack Tretton














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