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Microsoft targets iPad pricing

Microsoft has gone official with pricing on its Surface RT tablets. Most people have been hoping the Microsoft Surface RT tablets would come in at less than Apple’s hugely popular iPad. However, Microsoft’s pricing puts Surface in close competition with comparable third generation iPads and higher than the iPad 2.
 
The 32GB Windows Surface RT tablet without the Black Touch cover, which also doubles as a keyboard, is $499. That makes it $100 more expensive than the entry-level Apple iPad 2 at $399. The $499 entry price for the Surface RT tablet puts it on par with pricing for the 16GB “New iPad”.
 
If you want the Touch Cover with its integrated keyboard, that option is $100 when you order, or $119.99 as an add-on later. You can pre-order the 32GB version with the cover for $599.
 
 
The third version has 64 GB of storage and ships with the Touch Cover – it will cost you $699. Any of the three tablet versions can be pre-ordered today with delivery expected by October 26.
 
Analysts seem to think that Windows 8 tablet pricing is too expensive, however, what do you guys think?
 
In other Surface news, you can catch Microsoft’s first ad for the new tablet here:
 

Source: Microsoft



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RE: stupid stupid price
By NellyFromMA on 10/16/2012 4:43:50 PM , Rating: 1
Oh boy, my favorite person to reply to. No, I don't want the surface to succeed because it's "easier" to program for. Not sure why that's in quotes.

Lets try again. I truly beleive Surface will succeed because of the synergy it brings to the table across MS products and the ease with which we are seeing the convergence come to the table.

Android offers NOTHING in this dept. Apple on the otherhand has made substantial in roads here. I'm sorry if you love Android and take anything pro-anything other than Android to be some ignorant comment.

Fact is, I post with credibility and content, so maybe try addressing what I actually say and not what you take away from it.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2012 4:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Fact is, I post with credibility and content, so maybe try addressing what I actually say and not what you take away from it.
Whos fact? Yours?


RE: stupid stupid price
By NellyFromMA on 10/16/2012 4:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
Again I struggle to understand wtf your point is. The statement is clear.


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2012 5:37:25 PM , Rating: 2
If you present a fact then a standard cheesewiz reply is "that's your opinion" or something else similarly stupid along those lines.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/12, Rating: 0
RE: stupid stupid price
By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2012 7:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
Dude don't even respond to bullshit like that. If you posted the exact same way, yet agreed with him, he wouldn't say a word about your "standard replies".


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2012 7:07:23 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen you dismiss posts backed up by sales figures, growth numbers, and hard benchmarks as "opinion".

When people present real facts it isn't a different story, because that's exactly what you do.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/16/2012 6:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
Of course you do.... you saying YOURSELF is credible, not a fact...that's my point you dolt...


RE: stupid stupid price
By NellyFromMA on 10/17/2012 2:48:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I'm the dolt... I'll refrain from responding to cheesew1z69, the beacon of logic.


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2012 4:59:10 PM , Rating: 2
All your points here are solid. The Android defense force beings nothing but arguments based on emotion and rhetoric.

The people I know who hate Android the most aren't Apple fans, they're mobile developers. They hate Android with a passion due to the fact that it is a pain to develop for and it makes way less money than iOS. iOS is the most profitable platform to develop for and it is simple to debug due to the fact that the OS and hardware base is so unified.

WP is the easiest to develop for, it has the easiest SDK. The only thing holding it back is profitability, which is to say that it needs way more users. Windows 8 will bring in a slew of users, so we'll see how that helps on the WP8 side.


RE: stupid stupid price
By corduroygt on 10/16/2012 5:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows 8 will bring in a slew of users, so we'll see how that helps on the WP8 side

I'll guess little to none...I use Windows 8 and I will never use, let alone spend money on, a metro app. Full screen apps on a desktop/notebook outside of watching videos are stupid, that's why we have WINDOWS in the first place.

WP8 will have to prove itself on its own, which I think it will, but very slowly. It'll trickle with increased marketshare a couple percent every year.


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2012 5:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
Same here, but having a gateway for Windows mobile developers on the desktop is better than having none at all. I don't expect an immediate success like iOS, but I do think it'll increase year-over-year at a steady pace.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Moishe on 10/17/2012 2:37:06 PM , Rating: 2
Good point... plus MS is looking at this as an entrance into ARM, which they need. The R&D alone is worth a lot.

I kind of see this as the first xBox. MS knows it needs to have a WinRT code base, a StoreFront, a genuine mobile strategy, and a team that can design quality devices (because the 3rd-party guys are hedging bets and half-assing it.)

As with the xBox, this version is a stepping stone. It's innovation, and that's a good thing, even if this particular device fails to take off.

The cries of "game over" the end is near" etc... are absurd and childish. That kind of attitude is what prevents people from succeeding. In business (and in life) if you give up at the first failure, you'll become nothing and your competitors will win.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2012 6:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter who you say "hates" Android as long as nearly 70% of the mobile users in the world continue to buy into it. Those are the only people who matter in the end. I mean, at least your arguments would have some traction if this number stayed the same or went down, but it's only going up.

I'll leave you to ponder how you think it's possible for such an "inferior" platform to gain such a following. Or how it's so terrible for developers when it's the only platform that's even close to iOS in development out there.

But clearly these are "emotion and rhetoric", not actual critical thinking and common sense based on reality and statistics...


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/16/2012 9:55:01 PM , Rating: 2
I know exactly how its possible: More carriers with a huge range of cheaper devices. iOS internet traffic and app downloads make well almost two thirds of the mobile market, despite the fact that iOS makes up about a third of mobile devices out there. Google themselves testified in Congress that the bulk of their mobile revenue comes from iOS, not Android.

Lots of people have Android devices but many of them aren't on flagship devices, plain and simple. They aren't using them much more than they would a regular dumbphone. This matters to developers.

The large userbase is the only reason it is the #2 mobile development platform. If we were going by quality then Windows Phone would be far past it, given the fact that it has hands down the best SDK out there. Its low userbase, and thus lower potential for profits, means that it isn't the case.

Popular != good. Justin Beiber is one of the most popular artists in the world, that doesn't mean he's great.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2012 10:32:49 PM , Rating: 2
Very good excuses. Points for creativity.

quote:
This matters to developers.


I love how you think what developers think is more important than the end users. You're always bringing up developers and it's always a straw man. If Android only had a few thousands apps, sure that would be something. But as long as Android has a thriving app inventory and I can do everything I need to do, which I can, I could frankly give a damn about how much developers are making off which platform.

quote:
The large userbase is the only reason it is the #2 mobile development platform.


Duh? I believe I covered this when I brought up Androids market share. Somehow in your mind this disproves me lol.

quote:
If we were going by quality then Windows Phone would be far past it, given the fact that it has hands down the best SDK out there.


Right, Windows Phone. Which still doesn't have several of the "killer apps" being enjoyed by Android and iOS users. Once again things that nobody cares about outside of developers, you seem to think is important to everyone.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. And it's really amusing seeing you go through mental gymnastics to explain away things you don't like, and make excuses for things you do.


RE: stupid stupid price
By TakinYourPoints on 10/17/2012 4:27:11 PM , Rating: 2
It is really quite simple.

A popular platform gets applications no matter how difficult it is to develop for.

Developers generally dislike developing for Android because of piracy, software and hardware fragmentation, and dealing with resulting compatibility issues, all for less profit because Android users are less likely to pay up.

An unpopular platform doesn't get apps even if it is super simple to develop great apps for.

That is a separate point from why Android is popular, which is again is because it was earlier to market with cheap or free devices on almost every carrier. It doesn't mean that it is a good platform to develop for. The only one worse to develop for is BlackBerry. The userbase is the only reason Android development is as big as it is, which is impressive given how bad developing for it is in almost every way.

Its a simple point, even someone like you should be able to grasp it.


RE: stupid stupid price
By Reclaimer77 on 10/16/2012 6:48:56 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Lets try again. I truly beleive Surface will succeed because of the synergy it brings to the table across MS products and the ease with which we are seeing the convergence come to the table.


For that to happen Windows 8 would have to be a huge hit as a desktop OS, and MS would somehow have to tipple their mobile device market-share over what it is now. When exactly do you see this happening?

quote:
Android offers NOTHING in this dept.


That's a bit of an exaggeration. But for arguments sake, let's let that pass. This only proves that your premise is false when you state synergy is so important. If it was, Android wouldn't be where it is today.

It's not that I'm being "pro-Android", it's just I felt your logic and reasoning in your OP was based on personal bias, and not facts. Maybe in the next few years you will be eventually proven correct, but right now today, you just aren't.

The history of non-iPad tablets that entered the market at $500+ isn't pretty. Like I said, I think you're WAY premature in trying to crown it king.


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