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The companies haven't disclosed how much Apple is paying

Apple has decided to pay up for an allegedly stolen clock design in its latest iOS 6 mobile operating system.

IOS 6, which was released last month only days ahead of the iPhone 5, featured a new clock design for the iPad that seemed pretty basic. Just a white face with black, rectangular notches representing the numbers, black hour/minute hands and a red seconds hand. No big deal, right?

Wrong. The iOS 6 clock was nearly identical to a clock design developed by a railway company in Switzerland called Swiss Federal Railways (SBB). SBB said its company created that clock design back in 1944.

SBB's clock [left] and Apple's iOS 6 clock design (right)
[Image Source: IBN Live]

When SBB became aware of the stolen design, it immediately contacted Apple in hopes of some sort of licensing agreement.

"We are proud that this icon of clock design is being used by a globally successful company," said Reto Kormann, SBB spokesperson. "We've approached Apple and told them that the rights for this clock belong to us."

Now, Apple has agreed on licensing terms for the clock design with SBB. However, the companies haven't disclosed how much Apple is paying.

It's interesting to see Apple on the losing end of a copyright infringement claim; especially after the hell it has put Samsung through over mobile patent lawsuits. After a lengthy battle with Samsung around the globe, a U.S. jury found Samsung guilty of copying the iPhone/iPad for its Galaxy line. Not only was Samsung ordered to pay $1.05 billion USD in damages, but a court date on December 6 may lead to more product bans for the South Korean electronics maker. Apple is also looking to boost that $1.05 billion fine to $3 billion.

Source: The Verge

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Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By michael2k on 10/12/2012 1:38:39 PM , Rating: 2
Should we not hold Samsung to the same standard?

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By sprockkets on 10/12/2012 1:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
Only if the "copy" is 100% similar, not "we"ll it looks similar!"

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Shadowself on 10/12/12, Rating: 0
RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By sprockkets on 10/12/2012 6:51:11 PM , Rating: 3
And that's because one is a computer image and one is a real clock.


RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Shadowself on 10/14/2012 11:21:42 AM , Rating: 1
Apple gets stupidly fanatical about its images. Hell, they even put leather and lacing imagery on their calendar!

If Apple wanted to make the clock exactly like the Swiss clock they could have done so. Being a computer imager versus a real clock is 100% irrelevant.

Apple did realize -- belatedly and only after the Swiss rubbed their nose in it -- that their design was "close enough" to warrant a license. Thus they coughed up money for one.

So your next point is?

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By MaulBall789 on 10/15/2012 9:09:18 AM , Rating: 2
What makes it fairly blatant is the ball at the end of the second counter. Had Apple left off that little design quirk this would never have been an issue.

By theapparition on 10/15/2012 10:19:46 AM , Rating: 3
And the red second hand. Most notably is the fact that the Swiss Railways clock is iconic. Apple settled because it was a direct copy.

As to the Apple vs. Samsung patent litigation, where some here are comparing the two as Apple paying up and Samsung refusing to license, the situation is far more complex.

There is disagreement as to whether there ever was any infringement. A jury agreed there was, an appeal will either uphold or overturn that lower ruling. But the crux of the matter was that there was a disagreement that there was any infringement to begin with.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By oab on 10/12/2012 1:45:06 PM , Rating: 2
And thus is the difference between copyright and patent.

By michael2k on 10/12/2012 8:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
The suit was about trademark, design patent, and utility patent.

Design patent and trademark have very similar terms to copyright (only the owner of the IP is allowed to make copies) while being significantly more broad (only the owner of the IP is allowed to make similar items).

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By TakinYourPoints on 10/12/2012 8:03:05 PM , Rating: 2
You beat me to it. Apple infringes, they pay up. Samsung infringes, they refuse to pay licensing fees and go to court. Microsoft and many other companies pay licensing fees to Apple and vice versa, why isn't a company as massive as Samsung doing the same?

By Solandri on 10/14/2012 6:31:54 AM , Rating: 5
That's because Apple's requested licensing fees were completely unreasonable - $30 per smartphone, $40 per tablet. With royalties like that, Apple would've been making more profit off of Samsung's phones and tablets than Samsung. Their requested fees wasn't a bona fide attempt to be compensated for rights to their IP. It was an attempt to eliminate competitors from the market.

A typical license fee for a good technology patent is around 1%. For minor and FRAND patents and mass-produced items, it's closer to 0.1% or less. Whatever Apple is paying Swiss Railway to license the clock design, I guarantee you it is not 5%-10% the cost of an iPhone. Don't even try to pretend the situations are in any way similar.

Look, whether you're on Apple's side or Samsung's side, realize what's really going on. This has nothing to do with inventions and protecting innovation. This is all about exploiting the current IP system to screw over your competitor(s) by getting their products banned from the market for a minor infringement. Once you have them over a barrel and they're cut off from their revenue stream, then you can force them to agree to completely unrealistic licensing fees they would've scoffed at before.

It's what happened to RIM - over 2/3rds of a billion dollars for the "innovative" idea of sending email over cellular wireless networks instead of 802.11bgn wireless networks. Even Apple has been victim to this. They're on the current patent trolling tear because they've been screwed over in the past by patent trolls requiring them to pay licensing fees for nonsensical patents. They've just chosen to fight fire with fire, rather than the mutually assured destruction detente other companies chose by amassing huge patent portfolios.

By Strunf on 10/15/2012 7:33:46 AM , Rating: 3
The Key point is FRAND (fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory terms) thing that Apple only cares about when it's them violating someone else patent...

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/12/2012 8:34:01 PM , Rating: 1
Right because I'm so sure they tried to get BILLIONS from Apple for this clock dispute like Apple tried to extort from Samsung.

Also I don't hear about them trying to get bans on all Apple products either.

Nice try, but when you apply common sense, your post ends up being nothing by hyperbole.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By michael2k on 10/13/2012 10:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
Common sense says this is analogous to Apple approaching Samsung in 2010 to discuss licensing.

To further the analogy, Apple had already gotten Microsoft to license the self same patents (like the Mondaine example in SBB).

Even more so, Samsung decided to pay up; no, wait, that's where the analogy ends, and Apple files an injunction and lawsuit and goes to trial and wins.

So, no, you're wrong. This situation would be as you posit only if Apple refused to license from SBB. Since they licensed, they are already one step ahead of Samsung.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/13/2012 11:46:55 AM , Rating: 1
Isn't Apple now the largest most profitable tech company? I'm playing the worlds smallest violin for them and how big meanie Samsung doesn't want to give them even MORE money for ambiguous bullshit.

You guys are just too funny, honestly.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By michael2k on 10/13/2012 10:46:02 PM , Rating: 2
Why is that relevant? Success means Apple has no rights anymore?

By TakinYourPoints on 10/13/2012 11:36:01 PM , Rating: 2
Now it is time for the resident Tea Partier, reclaimer, to flip on his hypocrisy switch

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/13/2012 12:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and let's dispel this notion that Microsoft entered a cross licensing deal with Apple because of some sort of sense of morality or whatever you're shoveling. They did so because they had virtually no patents that would allow them to compete with Samsung, Apple, and others when it came to mobile devices.

Samsung and Motorola essentially developed the lions share of the underlying technologies that make these mobile devices even possible. Microsoft and Apple are just standing on the shoulders of giants and building off that, nothing more.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By michael2k on 10/13/2012 11:03:19 PM , Rating: 1
What does morality have to do with anything?

This is business.

You act as if Apple is an upstart or welterweight. They've been making computers now for several decades. They literally funded the ARM company's inception, the first browser was developed on NeXTStep HW, invented the term PDA and even developed one of the first alongside the Psion.

They have quite a pedigree.

By TakinYourPoints on 10/13/2012 11:34:01 PM , Rating: 2
No, but you see, it's Apple...

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By Strunf on 10/15/2012 8:02:56 AM , Rating: 2
"They literally funded the ARM company's inception"
ARM has been around long time before the iToys, to your information even Intel was using there technology on their CPUs... PDAs and what not were already using ARM long before the iPhone.

"the first browser was developed on NeXTStep HW"
By someone totally unrelated to Apple, how many things were developed on MS-DOS or windows? are we also giving credit to MS for that?...

"invented the term PDA and even developed one of the first alongside the Psion."
Alongside? more like 9 years later than Psion, besides the PDA development were mostly done by companies like Palm and so on, Apple did enter the PDA market but were kicked out very fast from it. And BTW it was Nokia that released the first PDA with phone capabilities now called SMARTPHONES.

Seriously what I dislike the most on iTards is there ability to give Apple credit for just about anything while ignoring someone else input completely.

RE: Apple copies, gets caught, then pays up.
By michael2k on 10/15/2012 10:06:13 AM , Rating: 2
This is from ARM's website:
Twelve engineers, with some technology from Acorn and
seed funding from Apple, started to look for applications that needed a low-cost, low-power embedded processor.

Apple's use of ARM in the Newton, 1993, was directly related to their funding the creation of the modern ARM processor in 1990.

You also seem to discount the Newton, despite the fact that it was in fact 1) One of the first PDAs, 2) The Psion 3, a real PDA, was only released in 1991 a scant two years before the Newton, 3) The Newton formfactor was in fact the archetype for the Palm Pilot, iPhone, and all modern slate style devices.

By Strunf on 10/16/2012 8:16:04 AM , Rating: 2
Apple was ONE of the investors not the only investor, also you're stretching quite a bit to imply that ARM is anywhere it is today cause of Apple, as I said before ARM has been doing business without Apple for a long time, if ARM was counting on Apple alone they would be long gone, their success is entirely due to their own expertise and have little to do with Apple, sure Apple put some money in and used their core logic but so did others.

Scant 2 years? even if it was 1, it still makes the Psion 3 the first PDA and by a good margin, aren't you iTards bragging about the iPhone

The Newton formfactor was in fact the archetype for the Palm Pilot, iPhone, and all modern slate style devices.

Key word SLATE, and they have been around from long before Apple, without joking you could see slate like devices on SciFi movies before 1993 and even books described such device... maybe Apple didn't invent anything after all and just copied the form factor from a movie.

By masamasa on 10/17/2012 10:40:43 PM , Rating: 2
More crapple supporters....

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