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  (Source: China Daily)
IDC still lists HP at number 1

Computer maker HP has been struggling as its stock price drops on increasingly poor computer sales. According to research firm Gartner, Lenovo took advantage of HP’s weakened state and is now the number one PC maker in the world as of Q3 2012. 
 
During Q3, global shipments of PCs fell by over 8% to 87.5 million units shipped. That represents the most dramatic decline since 2001, according to Gartner. Demand for PCs is declining as consumers move to portable devices such as tablets and smartphones for their basic computing needs.
 
"It's quite a tough year for PC makers because (Microsoft's) Windows 8 is not launched yet and some consumers are waiting for that. Cannibalization of tablet PCs is also another factor," said Eve Jung, an analyst with Nomura Securities in Taipei.


Lenovo IdeaPad S300
 
Interestingly, research firm IDC still ranks HP as the number one computer vendor so the numbers between Lenovo and HP have to be very close. IDC has HP in the lead by less than half of a percentage point in terms of global PC shipments.
 
Both Gartner and IDC numbers show that Asian computer makers such as Acer are beginning to take share away from U.S. companies such as HP and Dell. Dell was able to hold on to the number three spot in the global computer market for the quarter. HP currently holds 15.5% of the global PC market and shipped 13.55 million computers.

That number represents a 16.4% decrease in shipments from a year ago. This quarter is the first since 2006 where Gartner hasn't ranked HP as the top computer vendor. Gartner has Lenovo holding 15.7% of the market with 13.77 million computers shipped.
 
Lenovo recently announced that it would manufacture some of its “Think” branded devices in North Carolina.

Source: Reuters



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It doesn't surprise me....
By rdhood on 10/11/2012 10:39:17 AM , Rating: 2
After the Nvidia graphics adapter debacle:

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/300932/hp_stil...

I swore off HP. My computer had the chip, but HP refused to do anything at all about it (well... anything short of a $400 fix). Basically, it bricked my $800 laptop.
Whether it was the HP Media Center, HP digital entertainment center, HP tablet, etc, etc. HP and consumer electronics are a poisonous combination. I am sure that there are millions of happy HP users out there, but I got the $800 HP shaft. What is happening to HP is karma... karma for the tens (or hundreds) of thousands of people laid off by HP, karma for the folks with abandoned HP products, karma for the folks with defective HP products.




RE: It doesn't surprise me....
By xti on 10/11/2012 10:51:35 AM , Rating: 2
my battery on my hp died. /rage


RE: It doesn't surprise me....
By Samus on 10/11/2012 4:00:18 PM , Rating: 2
My HP DM1z, although I loved it, had a huge defect where the screen bezel hit the keyboard frame causing a chalk to form everytime I closed the lid, and chips around the screen.

The left speaker failed within a year, but was covered under warranty (two week turnaround time to get laptop back)

The build quality was subpar, nowhere near Ideapad or Thinkpad quality.

The travel adapter USB port never worked, just defective.

The touchpad had awful drivers that needed correcting with a 3rd party utility.

My replacement Thinkpad x120e is substantially better, even being the same AMD E350 chip. Performance is the same, but the screen is a nice matte finish, the build quality is VERY good and the extra features like a trackpoint and "always on" yellow USB 2.0 port are welcome additions.

They also cost the same price now, so its a no-brainer which one I recommend.


RE: It doesn't surprise me....
By tayb on 10/11/2012 11:34:19 AM , Rating: 2
Consumers don't truly understand the power they hold. Everyone has this individualistic idea of themselves and that they alone couldn't do anything so they won't do anything. Just simply voting with your wallet is extremely powerful.


By inperfectdarkness on 10/12/2012 2:50:20 AM , Rating: 2
It didn't make me swear off Sager, though I'm a little bit leery. It did make me swear off Nvidia though. $800 for a GPU replacement? YGBSM. The only reason I paid it was because it was the last of the wuxga laptops.

I really blame the finger-pointing between component mfg and laptop mfg.

In any event, I'm a loyal MSI fan now.


Exit the pc business
By Schadenfroh on 10/11/2012 11:04:54 AM , Rating: 2
HP, unlike IBM, failed to realize that there is no money to be made in mainstream desktop / laptop computers.

They should have sold their consumer desktop and laptop business off to a random Chinese company years ago, while they could still get something for it. IIRC, the executive that realized that they should unload it got driven off with pitchforks by shareholders... sigh




RE: Exit the pc business
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/11/2012 12:26:11 PM , Rating: 4
HP just needs to get its house in order. They don't innovate anymore, they follow along the "me too" path of Dell and other half-baked OEM's. If HP wants to compete it needs to start leading the pack with new designs and features, and then actually support the damn thing rather than cut and run constantly. HP does not have much commitment to their products lately (software or hardware). Which is a damn shame because HP was a solid brand for a long time (minus the compaq fiasco). I still think HP would be in a far better position with a decent CEO. This revolving door of failures is not helping, nor is the Board of Directors who keep selecting these morons.


Other good news
By Ushio01 on 10/11/2012 1:52:10 PM , Rating: 2
Between the Gartner and IDC press releases.

As already said on the global chart Lenovo got 10% growth also Asus got between 10 and 11.8% growth these are the only two companies to see growth and it is DESERVED.

On the US chart Apple saw a 6-7% decline :) happy day.




RE: Other good news
By TakinYourPoints on 10/12/2012 3:22:37 AM , Rating: 2
Apple also has double the shipments and market share of Lenovo, keep that in mind. The trend is still upwards for Apple and Lenovo. HP and Dell, not so much...


Pretty sure that's not the cause
By Solandri on 10/11/2012 4:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Demand for PCs is declining as consumers move to portable devices such as tablets and smartphones for their basic computing needs.

I don't know any of my friends who thinks "I have a tablet/smartphone now, I don't need a computer." The one who comes closest has a 64 GB iPad. But the simple matter is he has several hundred GB of photos and baby videos, which simply won't fit on the iPad and aren't accessible with it since it doesn't allow external storage.

I'm pretty sure the reason PC sales are declining is simply because they've become so fast that there's no more reason to upgrade. 10 years ago an upgrade every 2-3 years produced a significant improvement in user tasks like word processing or spreadsheets, Today, even an entry-level i3 will chew through a document or spreadsheet faster than you can blink. Upgrading after 2-3 years produces little discernible improvement. So I'm pretty sure people are holding onto their computers longer before upgrading. A million people upgrading every 2 years is 500,000 PCs/year in sales. A million people upgrading every 5 years is 200,000 PCs/year in sales. Hence the drop in annual PC sales.

Smartphones and tablets OTOH are on a 1-2 year upgrade cycle, so are seeing brisk sales.




By TakinYourPoints on 10/12/2012 12:19:58 AM , Rating: 2
You get it by the second paragraph. It is less about PCs not being necessary and more about them being fast enough at this point. My gaming PC drives a 2560x1440 monitor and aside from one video card upgrade it has all been the same machine for three years, an i7 860. Same with my 27" iMac, also an i7 860. I have no burning desire to upgrade either, while before I would be itching to upgrade by the two year mark.

I'm on the high end of hardware users, so imagine how unnecessary a PC upgrade is to a normal person?

Tablets and smartphones on the other hand have loads of room to grow. Aside from having a dependable 2 year upgrade cycle, we're also nowhere near saturation point with those devices. The other thing is smartphones and tablets are also personal devices while a household can share a PC or two.

On top of all of that, a $500 smartphone or tablet has significantly higher profit margins than a $500 junk laptop. These are all huge reasons why Dell/HP/Acer/etc are getting screwed right now.

Lenovo and Apple never lost sight of quality in their laptops, I believe that's why they are still doing well despite not racing to the bottom with everyone else.


That's ironic...
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/11/2012 10:12:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's quite a tough year for PC makers because (Microsoft's) Windows 8 is not launched yet and some consumers are waiting for that.

Ha ha, and I bought a Lenovo laptop last quarter so that I wouldn't end up with Windows 8. Good for Lenovo...I think they make good laptops, and as unenthused as I am about Windows 8, they have some nice-looking machines coming out.




Lenovo Issues
By carldon on 10/11/2012 8:27:37 PM , Rating: 2
While HP may be worse, I bought a T61p back in '07 with a 570m which is a modified 8600m. I had a 3 year warranty and the thinkpad just stopped working during its 4th year.

If I remember correctly, Lenovo did not handle the situation any better than HP for the failures.

Having said that market leaders just have to meet higher quality standards than the rest of the market and those who fail to meet that requirement lose sales over time (Dell, HP .........Lenovo?).




yeah
By cokbun on 10/11/2012 10:00:13 PM , Rating: 2
went looking for a laptop last year, had to choose between hp, lenovo, asus. and then i read horrible reviews on HP from systems that doesnt work out right off the box, bloatware, etc.ive gone for asus instead, better specs, bigger screen,same price range.




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