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Are Windows 8 tablets an expensive bag of fail?

We all know that Microsoft, and its partners are going to be pushing Windows 8 heavily for tablets. The Windows 8 tablets we've seen so far have some interesting features, but are also saddled with expensive prices. Bob O'Donnell, an analyst from the research firm IDC, thinks that Windows 8 tablets are simply too expensive. 
 
O'Donnell doesn't believe the traditional PC pricing on Windows 8 tablets bodes well for the new hybrid devices. The Windows 8 tablets we've seen so far from Acer and Lenovo that are able to convert between tablet and laptop use come in at a price between $499 and $1099 depending on options.


Lenovo's IdeaPad Yoga 13 starts at $1,099
 
"The problem is these things are priced way too high. Look at the history of tablet products priced above the iPad. Not pretty," O'Donnell told CNET.
 
Computer manufacturers are hoping that consumers will see the value in Windows 8 tablets that are promising better productivity thanks to keyboards and the Windows operating system that tablets such as the iPad can't offer.
 
The analyst believes that the Microsoft Surface tablet won't undercut the pricing of Apple’s iPad. O'Donnell says that he expects the RT version of the Surface tablet to sell for $599 and the Intel-powered version to sell for $999.

Source: CNET



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RE: bad time
By senecarr on 10/11/2012 9:33:27 AM , Rating: 4
If your device is called the expensive when compared to an Apple product, you're gonna have a bad time...


RE: bad time
By theapparition on 10/11/12, Rating: 0
RE: bad time
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/11/2012 11:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
Technology analysts: paid to provide the same "information" that technology blog comment sections will give you for free.


RE: bad time
By Mitch101 on 10/11/2012 3:24:30 PM , Rating: 2
Dummies Windows 8 Tablet Contest

Total Approximate Retail Value: $350.00 USD*
*ARV may be adjusted to reflect actual price of device upon release
http://etips.dummies.com/contest.asp?sid=RGQP2H7SB...


RE: bad time
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/11/2012 3:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm assuming you're not actually responding to me, but I'll bite anyway. For reasons that shouldn't need spelling out, that price should not be taken as anything remotely approaching authoritative.

If it should happen that the Surface does retail at $350 with no strings attached, I'd say that they'd have probably found the absolute highest possible price they could charge if they want Windows tablets to be a success. Were Microsoft to actually price it at $599, as Bob suggests...it would be suicide.

Even if the Surface does hit at $350, though, let's face it; he's not wrong about some of the other prices we've seen. Asus is reportedly planning to release their RT tablet at $600 without a keyboard, which is bat$#!+ insane. Both the Asus Vivo RT and the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 are priced at $800 with a keyboard; the difference is that the ThinkPad is an x86 device and can actually run desktop apps.

That isn't to say that the ThinkPad isn't also overpriced. Add a capacitive, IPS touchscreen to a netbook and jack the price up $300, $400, $500? That's not a convincing value proposition.


RE: bad time
By Mitch101 on 10/11/2012 5:39:08 PM , Rating: 3
Ive got a feeling its going to be $350.00 for a Windows RT Tablet which is a heck of a deal when you consider this is the Base model.

10.6" screen
32gig I bet the 64gb one is more
.27 inches thick
built in keyboard/touchpad
Micro Sd slot
USB 2.0 slot
MiMO antenne

I might just get two of them but Im expecting a Barnes and Noble 7" version running Windows as well for much less.


RE: bad time
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/12/2012 11:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
If it's priced at $350 with the keyboard cover that has the trackpad, I might... might... get one. Maybe.

Because, if it's priced at $350--with the keyboard cover--it might... might... be worth developing for "Metro". Maybe.

I don't think we're going to see a B&N tablet that runs Windows 8. It was an interesting idea, to be sure, but they already released their new tablet, and it's running Android.


RE: bad time
By melgross on 10/11/2012 9:49:17 AM , Rating: 1
I remember when Apple's iPad was first announced beginning at $499, and everyone almost had a heart attack, because they were expected to begin at least at $800, with some wags saying $1,200.

I don't think you can make a decent 10" tablet for less than $499 withough giving up on any profit. And because of volume, Apple gets the best pricing. So unless Microsoft themselves decides to take a bath on every Surface tablet they sell, the way they've been doing with the Xbox, they can't be cheap. And others can't do that at all.


RE: bad time
By kingmotley on 10/11/2012 11:13:58 AM , Rating: 2
I remember when analysts said the iPad was going to be a flop because no one would pay $499 for what was essentially a large iPhone without the phone, and surveys showed that the sweet spot was $299 or something.

Most analysts fail.


RE: bad time
By Mitch101 on 10/11/2012 12:42:48 PM , Rating: 2
I think this is a Major Fail on the part of the Hardware manufacturers being unable to produce or accept a lower profit margin on tablets like they do on PC's. Sure its razor thin on PC's they dont need to cut that deep but they cant expect Apple profit margins when they have competition from other manufacturers.

Apples iPad can only be bought from Apple this allows them to hold their price point to a degree. They don't have hardware that competes with themselves if you want into their eco system.

Lenovo makes a Windows or Android tablet and they are not the only game in town doing this every other hardware company is going to have a competing product.

Google and Microsoft must make their own tablets because both need to produce a razor thin profit margin or even a loss. Its just like selling game consoles to build up an eco system that will attract developers of apps/games for that eco system. When the eco system has enough hardware sold then you will attract the developers to produce content for it.

If lenovo is to do well they need to market this as a Ultrabook first that you dont need to purchase a tablet because it can act like one. Marketing it as a tablet with a keyboard will fail.


RE: bad time
By Aloonatic on 10/11/2012 5:12:28 PM , Rating: 2
I think that it's difficult to compare tablets to PCs when it comes to pricing.

I know that people hate bloatware, but that is how PC and Laptop manufacturers make their money.

However, as tablets are competing with the iPad, I don't think that tablet consumers will tolerate all the rubbish that you will find on most laptops, so what seem like high prices compared what you might expect could be here to stay for a while.


RE: bad time
By Solandri on 10/11/2012 11:26:53 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
If your device is called the expensive when compared to an Apple product

Bear in mind that unlike the Apple tablet, the $1099 Surface is supposed to come with a laptop processor and (for all intents and purposes) an SSD. It will be a laptop in tablet form factor, not a souped up smartphone CPU, OS, and storage with a larger screen. While I don't know how well the Surface will sell, it's not really appropriate to compare its price to the iPad's.

The $499 RT is a different story since it's supposed to be using an ARM processor.


RE: bad time
By lightfoot on 10/11/2012 11:36:48 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly.

The Windows 8 Pro version of Surface I see competing with Ultrabooks, not tablets, and not laptops or netbooks.

The real question is what the performance looks like.

If it performs like an Ultrabook this will be an amazing deal. If it performs like a netbook, then I agree it will struggle in the market.

The RT version should have no issues going head to head with the high end iPads. The iPad is still, primarily, a toy.


RE: bad time
By Ammohunt on 10/11/2012 1:35:34 PM , Rating: 2
a laptop is a laptop and a tablet is a tablet they have different mutually exclusive roles i wish Microsoft luck in trying to combine the two.


RE: bad time
By safcman84 on 10/12/2012 5:08:39 AM , Rating: 2
But the I-pad is just a tablet, it has limited productivity.

$1000 gets you an i5 or i7 powered laptop and tablet (2 in 1), with ssd and 2gb of ram. an i-pad plus macbook air will set you back way more $ than 1 laptop covertable that can do both.

If I just wanted to play angry birds, I would get an I-pad, but if I wanted a serious productivity device the Win 8 tablets are the way to go.


RE: bad time
By lawrance on 10/15/2012 12:45:57 PM , Rating: 2
This is the exact mentality that made the very first tablets (pre iPad) in the marketplace fail. People don't want an all-out computer in a tablet form. It's too hard to use that tablet form for productivity and the full OS's were not suitable to run with simply a touchscreen as the user interface.

Apple is the first company to get it right. You create a tablet with a simple user interface and have dedicated App's as the software. If you wan't a powerful productivity tool, stick with an actual computer with a real keyboard and mouse. And no, I don't want to hook up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to a tablet as that negates the whole point of even having a tablet... something portable that's quick and easy to use.

It amazes me how many people still don't get it!


RE: bad time
By Taft12 on 10/16/2012 4:42:59 PM , Rating: 2
*NO* tablet is a serious productivity device regardless of the OS!


RE: bad time
By NellyFromMA on 10/12/2012 1:00:34 PM , Rating: 2
I mean thats like comparing a Ferrari and an Accord and assessing their prices in a similar manner.

Fact is I don't think anyone knows what the RT tablets will cost but its going to be in line with the iPad.

The Pro models will be inline with the Macbook Air.

So, when you look at it through the lense of reality, how does your assessment make sense?


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