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Tesla Model S Performance (L) and BMW M5 (R)  (Source: Automobile Magazine)
Tesla's Model S is no joke

Some people have plenty of doubts about Tesla Motors and the Model S. The company is still struggling to get production numbers up and is battling its way to profitability. And the fact that federal money is being used to fund a $7,500 tax credit for the purchase of a $100,000 vehicle doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
 
However, there's no question that Tesla Motors has developed a remarkable car in the Model S. From its sexy exterior looks to its high-tech interior, the Model S aims to impress. And now, we're still learning that the five-door hatchback has some serious performance credentials backing it up as well.
 
Automobile Magazine pitted a fresh Model S Performance against BMW's new F10 M5. The BMW M5 ($106,695) is powered by a twin-turbo V8 engine developing a whopping 560hp and 500 lb-ft of torque (this is backed by a 7-speed dual-clutch transmission). The Model S Performance ($102,270) has a rear-mounted motor that generates 416hp and 443 lb-ft of torque.
 
When the two were set on the drag strip for a 0-100 mph race, the 4,640-pound Model S Performance simply walked away from the 4,347-pound M5 off the line. This stellar performance is no doubt attributed to the electric car's instant torque that is available from 0 to 5,800 RPM.
 
The M5 narrowed the lead towards the end of the run, but there's no question that the Model S bested BMW's high-echelon performance sedan in this particular test. However, this is just one test, and we'd like to see a complete head-to-head comparison between the two vehicles in the usual battery of acceleration, braking, and handling metrics.
 
To see the Model S go up against the M5, take a look at the video below:
 

Source: Automobile Magazine



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launch control
By Bubbacub on 10/10/12, Rating: 0
RE: launch control
By siconik on 10/10/2012 1:32:36 PM , Rating: 2
"M5 can go around corners" left me scratching my head. Tesla S a much better positioned center of gravity than M5.


RE: launch control
By BabelHuber on 10/10/2012 1:48:41 PM , Rating: 2
If the Tesla is only half as good as promised, we should see its lap times on the Nürburgring soon.

I'm looking forward to this - and also to the fill level of the Tesla's battery after 20km of racing ;-)

But seriously, I would be suprised if the Tesla could hold its own agains Porsches, Corvettes and M3/M5 and the like - after all, these companies are agressively fine-tuning everything to get their results, and they all have a century of experience with combustion engines.


RE: launch control
By lagomorpha on 10/10/2012 2:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've no doubt that Lotus is just as capable at suspension tuning as the Germans. All that extra weight will probably upset things though.


RE: launch control
By Totally on 10/10/2012 4:24:06 PM , Rating: 2
What does lotus have have to do with the model S? They only provide the chassis for the roadster.


RE: launch control
By BZDTemp on 10/11/2012 11:25:01 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly.

Also with regards to what Lotus can do with regards to suspension tuning I'd say their track record speaks for it self. Lotus is very good at what they do.


RE: launch control
By Dug on 10/10/2012 3:26:42 PM , Rating: 2
I would be surprised if it couldn't.

Not to mention the comfort of the Tesla S with 5 passengers and option for 2 kids, no gas, low noise, lower insurance, etc.

I wouldn't really put it up against a Corvette, Porsche, or an M3. M5 really comes the closest.


RE: launch control
By AssBall on 10/10/2012 10:14:44 PM , Rating: 3
When top gear tested the S they said the brakes were absolute junk.


RE: launch control
By Strunf on 10/11/2012 7:23:36 AM , Rating: 2
Noise? That's music to my ears!

The no gas comes at the price of less mobility... so yeah cool when you really plan your trips but can be POS when you don't!


RE: launch control
By BillyBatson on 10/11/2012 6:36:08 PM , Rating: 2
The most beautiful music!!!!!!


RE: launch control
By Mint on 10/10/2012 5:31:03 PM , Rating: 3
There are plenty of stretches on the Nurburgring that will exceed 120mph, which the Model S simply isn't designed for and 99% of luxury sport sedan buyers won't ever reach.

A standard slalom test will give you a much better idea of roadholding at still illegal speeds (e.g. zipping though a winding road at twice the speed limit, which I still wouldn't do due to traction surprises on real roads).

Anyway, it clear that the Model S has its niche. The problem is that even the 300 mile version basically has a 120 mile tether on it unless you get lucky with a charger en route; otherwise, you're not getting back home. Even if you only want to exceed that a few times a year, it can be a dealbreaker.


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 6:33:18 PM , Rating: 2
They are building out there supercharger network, they have them already between San Francisco-Los Angeles, Los Angeles-Las Vegas, San Francisco-Las Vegas and San Francisco-Lake Tahoe. They intend to have a corridor for coast to coast travel up by the end of 2013, I think it was. Yes, this is regional to where they are based. They also planning to ramp up a supercharger network in Europe and Asia.

In case you aren't aware the superchargers can add 50% battery in ~30 minutes. Which is enough time to stretch your legs, use the bathroom or get something to eat. The superchargers are positioned close to restaurants.


RE: launch control
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 6:50:06 PM , Rating: 2
There's six total right now but only available for company use until this month sometime. Locations at the following link:

http://www.motorauthority.com/image/100403182_init...


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 7:23:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There's six total right now but only available for company use until this month sometime. Locations at the following link:


They were unveiled last month, I think. My understanding was that they were available then for Tesla owners. That link doesn't say anything about availability.


RE: launch control
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 11:09:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They were unveiled last month, I think. My understanding was that they were available then for Tesla owners. That link doesn't say anything about availability.
That link wasn't supposed to contain that info. If you read my post, you'll see...
quote:
Locations at the following link:


No matter, I really didn't expect you to read my whole post anyways. I got the public availability from here:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-25/news/34...


RE: launch control
By BZDTemp on 10/11/2012 11:35:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are plenty of stretches on the Nurburgring that will exceed 120mph, which the Model S simply isn't designed for and 99% of luxury sport sedan buyers won't ever reach.


I think 99% is to high a number especially when including the world outside the US. There are plenty of places where going 120 mph+ is an every travel speed for those in somewhat faster cars.


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 6:26:22 PM , Rating: 2
But are they putting out over the air software updates to improve the vehicle?


RE: launch control
By Jaybus on 10/11/2012 1:44:34 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe it can. All else, cornering, braking, etc. being equal, the EV could not complete enough laps for say a 100k race. Their claimed range is for driving super easy at perhaps 80 kph. It is not a linear relationship. To sustain twice the velocity requires more like 4x the energy.


RE: launch control
By Flunk on 10/10/2012 1:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
They need to put up or shut up on that one. Just because it should be good doesn't mean that the engineering is there to make it happen.

I'd love to see the Tesla do well in a more realistic situation but it's unproven at this point.


RE: launch control
By SlyNine on 10/10/2012 2:22:14 PM , Rating: 2
Did you drag race any electrics? He's right electrics provid a much more instant power delivery.

You'll see this in RC cars as Electric RCs our punishing their nitro/gas counter parts. The results kind of mirror this, with the Nitro's often coming up from behind.


RE: launch control
By KFZ on 10/10/2012 3:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
What's more realistic than acceleration? Oh I can hear the BMW owners now, "Pfft, I'll nail the apex on 24th street and blow past that RC car." LOL.

On public roads, out-accelerating another car is the entire point of having a fast vehicle, and there will be many sore butts out there when their weekend babies get yanked by an electric motor.


RE: launch control
By Reclaimer77 on 10/10/2012 3:40:07 PM , Rating: 3
You aren't going to be drag racing your Tesla on public roads because of range anxiety. The M5 driver can jackass around all day and when he needs to gas up, it takes a few minutes tops.

The Tesla driver has to hyper-mile and hope he can make it home to charge, which then takes hours.


RE: launch control
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 4:09:48 PM , Rating: 2
I would be inclined to believe Rec on this one. The Roadster owners don't mind ripping around until they're out of juice and getting towed home but I'd imagine the S owners will be using their cars more practically than that given that the S is a sedan. Look at the new M5, the reason it's a big, bloated barge now is because it's owners prefer more luxury than sportiness. The S's owners will likely be the same people.


RE: launch control
By jjmcubed on 10/10/2012 4:28:37 PM , Rating: 2
You know that there is a limited range in a gas car, and the S takes longer to charge. We all know this. But you say you can't hoon? If a car gets 100 miles on a charge you can hoon for five min, then baby it. If you have four gallons in your tank, you can only hoon for a couple min as well. If you live 10 miles from work you can hoon all you want as you know you will be charging it soon. If you live 100 miles away you would never be buying this car in the first place.

You can't hoon as much unless you plan your actions, but discounting all because you don't like the technology is, well, just like you i guess. You know this and are just trying to discount it.

I may be totally wrong here, but you seem to be skewering the the S since you are a (not really sure why you hate these types). Not an insult, just have no clue why you hate on them every article. If you hate on them every article, should I be listening to what you say, or is your numorus attacks on these types of article automaticly discount your opinion?


RE: launch control
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 5:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
I think you miss the point here. Quit castrating the gas car to make it more in line with the EV. Simply put, I can hoon ALL DAY in my gas sports car. I have done this already. You cannot hoon at all in ANY EV like you can a gas car. And guess what? When I'm out of gas I drive down to the gas station for a few minutes, fill up, and do it again. Those with EV's will need to come back the next day. This past weekend I did a canyon run on the way to see some family. 45 minutes of full throttle, brake stabbing bliss. The Roadster can do that once, then it would have to recharge. I can turn my car right around and do it again a number of times, fill it up in a few minutes once I run out of gas and do it a bunch more. I don't know about you guys but I'm not staying in a hotel everytime I want to have some fun with my car nor do I want to be a on first name basis with the AAA guy.


RE: launch control
By jjmcubed on 10/11/2012 3:07:15 AM , Rating: 2
What you said is true, but not really sure exactly what you are trying to point out. These are not even close to the best internal combustion technology, but saying hooning is impossible is just a fabrication(not saying you did). My argument is that it is possible with planing. Also, this isn't my EV. The BMW M5 E39 is my dream car.

We need these steps where you and i wouldn't purchase the cars, but early others will if we are going to get the technology to mature.

quote:
You aren't going to be drag racing your Tesla on public roads because of range anxiety. The M5 driver can jackass around all day and when he needs to gas up, it takes a few minutes tops. The Tesla driver has to hyper-mile and hope he can make it home to charge, which then takes hours .


This statement seems to be "castrating" the electric car.

And just to be clear where i stand. I've been a car/motorcycle/engineering guy since it was a child. LOVE everything about cars. Have had cars ranging from 300hp VW Golf 4dr's, 475hp Mustangs, and sometimes just normal appliances. To me seeing these cars is exciting and dreadful at the same time.


RE: launch control
By Reclaimer77 on 10/11/2012 12:53:33 PM , Rating: 2
Castrated by facts...


RE: launch control
By SlyNine on 10/10/2012 6:57:04 PM , Rating: 2
and costs pennies to the dollor compared to the M5.


RE: launch control
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 7:00:30 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! No such thing as pennies in that price range.


RE: launch control
By Redwin on 10/10/2012 9:54:59 PM , Rating: 3
lol... yea, because saving on gas mileage is the #1 priority for people who buy $100,000+ sports sedans.


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 2:51:19 PM , Rating: 2
1. No, it sounds much quieter! Which is what some people prefer.
2. So can the Tesla, you should really read up on something before you criticize it. The Model S has a very low center of gravity is low. This is because the battery lines the bottom of the car.
3. You also get lots of storage in the trunk and "frunk" with no engine to worry about.
4. No tailpipe emissions.


RE: launch control
By Bubbacub on 10/10/2012 3:06:17 PM , Rating: 2
just going by reviews of the tesla roadster, (top gear)

a very quick version of the lotus elise - but the handling was terrible compared to the petrol version. dont know if this was due to weight distribution (i.e. front to back), or heavier batteries or something else.

i think electric cars are the future.

however if had the cash TODAY i'd get an m5 over a tesla s.

maybe in ten-fifteen years time the m5 will be electric only?


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 4:38:44 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, they used an existing car body for the Roadster; Which is something Elon Musk has said was a big mistake. The Model S is a clean slate design.

So, you base a comment on a new vehicle, on a review of an older one? And that based on a review from a show whose host has said he hates EVs?

Next time you don't have any knowledge of a topic, and want to make a snide remark, how about you just move on.


RE: launch control
By danjw1 on 10/10/2012 4:41:09 PM , Rating: 1
Opps, forgot:

5. Gets software updates to expand functionality for the life of the car.


RE: launch control
By tayb on 10/10/2012 2:54:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
1: no electric vehicle sounds like that v8!


I'm not sure about the Tesla in particular but I know of other electric vehicles that pump in sound to mimic the roar of an engine.


RE: launch control
By theapparition on 10/10/2012 5:05:48 PM , Rating: 4
FWIW,
So does the M5.


RE: launch control
By BillyBatson on 10/11/2012 6:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately you're right....


Is it me?
By jjlj on 10/10/2012 12:52:54 PM , Rating: 2
Or does the M5 driver appear to be asleep at the wheel? Looks like there was hesitation at the start and then the M5 lost traction. Yes, more tests are needed.

Still impressive though!




RE: Is it me?
By jjlj on 10/10/2012 12:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder if Clarkson will get a crack at this one? LOL.


RE: Is it me?
By wiz220 on 10/10/2012 2:35:29 PM , Rating: 2
After the shenanigans and lawsuits with the first Tesla Raodster review Clarkson did, I sorta doubt it. :) At least, it won't be Tesla lending them one to do the review.


RE: Is it me?
By TheDoc9 on 10/10/2012 1:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's an 'illusion' of sorts. The instant torque is just that much faster than a gasoline powered engine.

When you take off in a gas engine you have the delay that occurs from injecting the gas before combustion occurs, this is not the case with an instant torque electric engine.

More testing is needed to confirm.


RE: Is it me?
By 91TTZ on 10/10/2012 1:51:08 PM , Rating: 2
It's not an illusion. I used to drag race my Z and my reaction time was much better than that. This was intentional.


RE: Is it me?
By Reclaimer77 on 10/10/2012 2:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yes but who cares? It's a well known fact electric motors spin quicker than gasoline engines. But so what? Do we go around "drag racing" our cars all day or something?

The M5 slays the Tesla in every area that matters for a car anyway. Cornering, braking, reliability and practicality. This is just a pointless test that demonstrates nothing practical about the Tesla to the public. People don't generally purchase vehicles based on 1/4 mile times alone.

Lets put the Tesla on the 'Ring and see how it does. Oh yeah, nvm, the batteries wouldn't even last ONE lap at hard driving.


RE: Is it me?
By siconik on 10/10/2012 4:20:54 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The M5 slays the Tesla in every area that matters for a car anyway. Cornering, braking, reliability and practicality .


Based on...?


RE: Is it me?
By Reclaimer77 on 10/10/2012 4:23:59 PM , Rating: 1
Statistics? Facts? Go look em up. The Telsa, despite the video, didn't even beat the M5's straightline times when they tested them.


RE: Is it me?
By Reclaimer77 on 10/10/2012 2:58:17 PM , Rating: 2
Terrible launch. Did the M5 driver even try? We didn't even see wheelspin until he hit second or third gear, like he blew the launch and a shift or something.

For me the race was over before it started, when the M5 revved and we heard that sweet exhaust note.


RE: Is it me?
By Rukkian on 10/11/2012 8:24:28 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, we get it, if there is an article about an electric car, you will hate it. Posting the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over gets old.

While I will not be buying an electric car anytime soon, I love to see articles like this with technology going forward. These types of events help to push the people with more money than brains into buying stuff like this and it causes prices to eventually come down. It is an impressive feat from a technology standpoint.


RE: Is it me?
By FredEx on 10/11/2012 8:38:44 AM , Rating: 2
Traction control.


This video is staged.
By 91TTZ on 10/10/2012 1:49:44 PM , Rating: 5
The BMW clearly waited to hit the gas.

I think the test was intentionally rigged. In a dragstrip race they give you a few different stats such as:

1. Reaction time
2. 60 foot time
3. 1/8th mile elapsed time
4. 1/4 mile elapsed time
5. Trap speed

The 1/4 mile ET and trap speed are the most common numbers to give. Also, in a drag race the clock doesn't start until you cross the beams after you launch. You can sit there for 10 seconds and the timer doesn't start until you launch.

In this race the Tesla obviously had the better reaction time by about a half second which is huge in a drag race. Yet at the end of the track it won by much less than a half second. It's just inexcusable to have that much of a difference in reaction time between competitors, especially if they're professionals.

To further put this video in doubt, I looked up the testing results for both cars on Motortrend's site, which objectively tested both. Here are their results:

BMW F10 M5
0-60: 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.9 seconds @ 120.3 mph

Tesla Model S
0-60: in 3.9 seconds
1/4 mile: 12.5 sec @ 110.9 mph

The BMW beats the Tesla model S quite easily. There's a reason this video gave the Tesla a half second head start and stopped the test at 100 mph: because if they started them at the same time the BMW would gain a lead that the Tesla would never recover, and if they let them finish the quarter mile even with the Tesla's head start, the BMW would overtake it.

This video is nothing more than a commercial for the Tesla, and I bet that some money changed hands to produce it.




RE: This video is staged.
By FITCamaro on 10/10/2012 4:11:45 PM , Rating: 1
Man I hate it when people use facts...


RE: This video is staged.
By FITCamaro on 10/10/2012 4:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
And just now watching the video, its not even funny how staged it was. You didn't even here the M5 stage at all. You don't launch from an idle in a drag race. And whoever was driving the M5 certainly didn't get on it that hard right out of the gate either.


RE: This video is staged.
By jjmcubed on 10/10/2012 4:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
Not doubting your thoughts, but putting Motor Trend and objective in the same sentence?!?


RE: This video is staged.
By FITCamaro on 10/11/2012 7:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
I'd put Motor Trend above a piece of garbage like Car & Driver when it comes to comparing cars in performance tests.


Still only practical as an extra vehicle
By Colin1497 on 10/10/2012 1:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
I normally drive about 10 miles a day, so an EV would work well for me. Of course, 2 weeks ago I spent 10+ hours on the road driving, picking up my dad, taking him to a college football game, and driving home. No EV would have worked for that trip, even when considering promised range vs. actual range (I spent much of the trip with my cruise control set at 90+ mph).

This is the problem that isn't going away. An EV works for me most of the time, but because it's not 100% of the time, it could only work as an extra vehicle.




RE: Still only practical as an extra vehicle
By rpsgc on 10/10/2012 1:32:13 PM , Rating: 3
You want a PHEV then (Plug-in Hybrid).


RE: Still only practical as an extra vehicle
By Colin1497 on 10/10/2012 2:03:36 PM , Rating: 2
I only want that if it makes sense in the grand scheme of things. I'm presently happy with the 3.6l horizontally opposed engine that I have that produces > 300 hp and netted me over 25mpg on the trip I mentioned. Adding extra batteries and electric motors to the vehicle would make it more expensive (dear God, it already cost me enough), heavier (the enemy of vehicle performance is weight), while allowing it to be marginally more energy efficient. The engineer in me loves hybrids for the technology and squeezing out the efficiency, but the consumer in me doesn't particularly want to buy one.

The problem with hybrids is that they add a lot of complexity/expense without adding a lot of savings. If the government wasn't heavily subsidizing them in multiple ways (including both direct subsidies to buyers as well as bonus credit they provide in CAFE formulas), people wouldn't find them particularly attractive. That's why a practical EV has to be the end goal -- only one power train. Problem is, EV's aren't practical today.

You can argue (somewhat reasonably) that subsidization of hybrids will drive technologies required to develop good EV's, but that doesn't make me want to rush out and buy one.


By Mint on 10/11/2012 7:28:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the enemy of vehicle performance is weight

That's not necessarily true. For traction, unless you have stiction from hot tires, their friction is proportional to the weight holding them to the road.

Weight is usually felt more in the handling/responsiveness, because a heavier gas car usually adds weight to the periphery, increasing it's moment of inertia faster than weight/friction. An EV, on the other hand, can keep its weight low and - most critically - closer to the center of mass. Compared to a gas car, it can be heavier with a lower moment of inertia. That's why many reviewers said that the Fisker Karma is the best handling big car on the market (it is big despite the styling giving it a small cabin).

The future is really bright for performance PHEVs. Going from a 200kW motor to a 500kW motor adds a fraction of the weight/cost of going from a 270hp gas engine to a 670hp engine.


straight line
By AMDftw on 10/10/2012 12:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sure in a drag strip it would win. The Tq is instant other then the BMW has to reach a certain rpm. Now lets see it handle the turns..




RE: straight line
By FITCamaro on 10/10/2012 1:13:32 PM , Rating: 2
Lets see it do it 20 times in a row.


RE: straight line
By jjmcubed on 10/10/2012 4:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
Serious question. Do you think the M5 would do it 20 times in a row and have zero problems? No wait, just zero to 100. Zero to 100. Etc. That is some major punishment for a car. Not saying it can't, but if it goes into limp mode the 15th time, don't blame BMW for it!!!

The technology isn't as mature as the internal combustion engine, but these initial steps are needed for the technology to mature. Personally I would never buy one, but to discount the S in it's entirety is misguided.


RE: straight line
By FredEx on 10/11/2012 8:36:11 AM , Rating: 2
The M5 would upchuck before it did 5 runs right after another.


Great torque
By Beenthere on 10/10/2012 12:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
Electric motors deliver great torque but they consume a ton of electricity to do it. EV's or hybrids can't use maximum acceleration for very long unless they have a petrol or Diesel engine to fall back on. Porsche has the best hybrid sportscar and race cars at the moment.




RE: Great torque
By fleabag on 10/15/2012 1:20:23 AM , Rating: 2
A "ton of electricity" is still a hell of a lot less energy than the amount of gasoline the car consumes doing the same amount of work. The only reason the batteries would get consumed so quickly is due to the fact that they only hold like 2 gallons equivalent worth of energy, 1 gallon or less for the Nissan Leaf. As energy density slowly improves for batteries, electric cars will fully supplant gasoline vehicles for all racing and drag racing due to the superior characteristics of electric drivetrains.


Let the haters hate
By Florinator on 10/10/2012 1:13:06 PM , Rating: 2
I would still pick the M5 without hesitation over the Tesla if I had that kind of dough to spend on a car, but nevertheless, this performance feat is awesome and I, for one, would not have expected this result. I mean, not against the mighty M5...

As far as electric cars are concerned, I like where this is going...




RE: Let the haters hate
By Colin1497 on 10/10/2012 1:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
Having spent a lot of time working with large electric motors in the aerospace industry, I wouldn't expect anything else. Electric motors generally produce high torque at low speed, so they're going to be great off the line. That's why hybrids can be such a good thing -- the electric motor, even at low rated hp, provides great torque from a stop, picking up the slack for a gasoline engine that has a peak torque somewhere appreciably above idle. I'd also expect the M5 to walk away from the Tesla at higher speeds, of course. Make the race to 150 or so and see what happens.


Real test
By Apone on 10/10/2012 4:39:43 PM , Rating: 1
I am a fan of the BMW M5; However if you want to use flat-out in-line acceleration tests as a benchmark, then I think a better test would be the Tesla against a 2012 (or 2013) Nissan(Skyline) GT-R...




RE: Real test
By Camikazi on 10/10/2012 9:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
M5 is fine for this test since it is faster than the Tesla, this test was either rigged or they used the worst run for the M5. The M5 has a higher top end, faster 0 to 60 and faster 1/4 mile than the Tesla this was just a bad/rigged test.


so?
By chromal on 10/10/2012 1:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
I'll bet the M5 can do that more times without a gas tank fill up than the Tesla can without a battery charge-up.




"Slaying"
By Camikazi on 10/10/2012 1:52:50 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldn't exactly call that a "slaying" the driver of the M5 didn't do well and lost traction at one point. Looks to me that with both cars taking off well the M5 would keep up with the Tesla with no problem condiering it took off badly and still didn't lose by much. It would take quite a few more tests before you can use the word "slay" for this really but it does show promise.




Cool but....
By BillyBatson on 10/11/2012 6:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
I would still buy the BMW any day even if it were up to 20% over the Tesla's sticker price.




Good start
By macca007 on 10/13/2012 7:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
Only issue I have with electric cars is the price!
This is coming from a V8 nut. I would take the electric car any day of the week over my modified V8 if it was on the same price level and I could plug into my 4kw solar setup at home, Unfortunately these electric cars are about 3 times more expensive.
Of course any new tech is expensive so I can't wait for the day when it hits parity,May be sooner than we think like Solar. Every one laughed at that, Yet here in Australia with a small population it is almost about to hit the 1 millionth home installation and already produces over 2GW of power. Just got my first electricity bill back, Was expecting to pay around $300 instead they gave me $100 credit at this rate it will be payed off in only 4 years after that it is free power, Now if only I had that electric car to plug in it would be bye bye to petrol stations for me.
Someone mentioned yeah all well on straight line but what about cornering? What about it? Do you corner over 60km/h on public roads? Try going around a corner at 60 aint as slow as you think it is! Acceleration on the other hand is important, Has saved me many times from idiots on the road who don't look or indicate, Also handy in peak hour traffic when trying to pull out of side street onto a main road waiting for a gap,Once around that corner you need to gun it so they don't ram up your butt. For me the range is not an issue as for most folks out there who just commute to work and back and go do the shopping. Can't remember the exact stats but average is around 95% of daily commute is less than 60 miles or something around there and 99% are less than 140 miles. For me it's only 40km all up 20km each way. If I go on a holiday I fly as it's a hell of a lot cheaper/faster/easier than driving there!
I don't expect electric cars are for everyone just like SUV's or Nissan GT-R's are but I wouldn't write off electric cars especially performance side, They will wipe the floor with most out there,For an amusing video go on youtube and check out an old Datsun modified with electric motors beating a new Datsun " Nissan GT-R ;) "
Or the electric VW Beetle dragster that would smoke a Bugatti Veyron on the 1/4. These are not from multi billion dollar auto manufacturers just enthusiasts so what can we expect when the big auto's get on the bandwagon. Some of the Euro sports car makers are already designing electric/hybrid variants.




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By Motoman on 10/10/12, Rating: -1
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