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The new automated traffic fine system incorporates sensors built into vehicles and Communication and Information Technologies (CITs)

If you're the type of driver that leans more toward offensive rather than defensive driving, you might want to take it easy on the speeding and pay attention to those stoplights -- systems to automate traffic fines are in the making. 
 
Researchers from the Universidad Carlos III Madrid's (UC3M) Information and Communication Technology Security Group have been working on the E-SAVE project, which aims to use IT to improve traffic regulation. 
 
The new automated traffic fine system incorporates sensors built into vehicles and Communication and Information Technologies (CITs). The new system has three main components: a mechanism that allows drivers to report others while maintaining anonymity and authenticity; a way for sending the notification of a fine directly to the vehicle in question, and a mechanism that allows the offending driver to create electronic evidence in order to defend him/herself in the case that they receive a notification. The offending driver can do this by "asking" surrounding drivers with sensors to be witnesses to the scene. 
 
The whole system is based on vehicle-to-vehicle communication via sensors, where cars can trade information in the flow of traffic and allow for crimes to be reported. 
 
A huge aspect of the new system is to keep driver information confidential so that credentials are not stolen or abused. It's also important that driver information is updated and accurate for the purpose of sending fines correctly. The team is doing this through a project called PRECIOUS, where cryptographic methods of anonymous authentication and zero knowledge tests are used. This rids the duplication of information. 
 
The system will be tested in "the coming months."

Source: Universidad Carlos III in Madrid (UC3M)



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This is BULL$#+!.
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/9/2012 9:00:48 PM , Rating: 5
Seriously. What the f--k is this? Someone's going five under, you go to pass them, they speed up (they do it every single time), so you have to speed up to finish passing them...and right when they hit the speed limit, they report you. These are the same dickweasels who then proceed to ride your rear end for the next three miles, like suddenly you're the one in their way.

Hell no.




RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By CloudFire on 10/9/2012 9:20:47 PM , Rating: 2
I'd imagine there would be a timer limit to when you get fined. So probably 15-30 seconds on a timer that alerts you when you are going over the speed limit. It wouldn't make sense to insta-fine people. Perhaps the timer decreases if the drive in question is exceeding the speed limit often during the drive. I'm curious how this would play out (if ever).


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Spuke on 10/10/2012 12:09:12 AM , Rating: 2
Speed cameras don't even pass PUBLIC scrutiny nevermind legal. And they think people will bone up to even MORE intrusive methods? LMAO! This is dead before release.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By inperfectdarkness on 10/10/2012 3:58:41 AM , Rating: 2
I seriously hope they're not pulling government funds for this reserach. Next thing you know, we'll be getting fines for not doing a courtesy flush or for leaving the toilet seat up.

Why are people so blind to the idea that personal responsibility is the one key factor which drives economic prosperity?


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By nolisi on 10/10/2012 12:21:04 PM , Rating: 2
If that were true, then you wouldn't have companies cooking books, ponzi schemes, outright theft, or businesses using undocumented workers.

Personal responsibility doesn't drive economic prosperity- profit motive does. Profit motive can encourage people to participate in economics responsibly, creating growth for everyone.

Profit motive, unfortunately, can cause people to do the very things that destroy wealth and undermine economic prosperity.

With that said- I don't support the idea that *individuals* should be constantly monitored. Driving has inherent risks because of large amounts of moving mass. While we can record things like speed, distance and movement, cannot record everything such as whether a truck dropped rocks on the road or a neighboring driver is brandishing a gun. It is also possible (and common) for people to make bad decisions in a perfectly safe manner (according to numbers), and still cause incidents.

I'm in favor of spending money to protect individuals (seat belts, blind spot monitoring, airbags, sufficiently strong frame), but let's not spend money to create another revenue generating system for the state, which will do nothing to curtail the bad habits of drivers- especially those whose finances aren't even modestly impacted by a traffic fine. Traffic fines have failed to curtail bad drivers.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By dgingerich on 10/10/2012 2:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
If there weren't people who are so lazy they don't bother to think when they get involved in things, situations like that wouldn't even happen. Things like "Really? I can double my money in a year?" and "There's no risk of losing my money in this investment?" and "I can make money without having to pay out anything?" If they'd just stop and think, they'd know those situations don't exist. The world just doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately, there are just too many lazy/stupid (same thing, really) people in the world. People don't bother think think, so they fall for things like Ponzi schemes, Nigerian scams, and "international lottery" schemes. They fall for this, and these things work, because people are being stupid.

Let them get caught in the schemes. It will weed out some who just shouldn't be allowed to procreate. They'll become homeless and they bloodlines will die out.

If you know a company is a ripoff, don't invest in them. (Citibank and Capital One, for example.) People investing in a company should be held responsible for the behavior of that company, and if the company is involved in criminal behavior, the company should be totally broken down and all assets sold off to pay restitution. The investors shouldn't get squat back.

If a company you're working for is a ripoff, either to their employees or their customers, quit and go elsewhere. I've done that numerous times.

As for driving safety, I'm all for revocation of licenses for certain people, like the idiot in the BMW X5 I see driving along the shoulder nearly every day on my way home from work, or the stupid old man constantly going 45 in a 65 zone. (I've been hit from behind 6 times because someone was going too slowly ahead of me and someone else came up behind me too fast. I call it getting caught between an a-hole and an idiot, and both of them are to blame.) Fines don't do squat to deter people, but removing their ability to drive would. There's too freaking many people on the road as it is, and most of them too stupid to drive right. Driving is a privilege, and it should stay that way. I say get some of these idiots off the road, permanently.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By mackx on 10/10/2012 5:11:43 AM , Rating: 2
whether it's a good idea or not - i've heard of people jamming the brakes on during a situ like that. then claim injury on the person behind them who clearly didn't give enough space between vehicles.

the claim to see a deer running past or some such.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/10/2012 11:00:49 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but I'm not trying to cause an accident (unlike the guy who is now behind me). I'm just trying to go to work.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By fic2 on 10/10/2012 8:39:33 PM , Rating: 2
Guy that did that in CO got put in jail because he ended up killing the person behind him. The guy that got killed was driving in the left lane. Guy that killed him passed him, got in the left lane then slammed on his breaks. I forgot how many years he got but I wonder if he thinks it was worth it now - although I am sure he still blames the guy he killed.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Saldrin on 10/10/2012 7:09:20 AM , Rating: 5
Hardware stores will report record sales of wire cutters.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Shadowself on 10/10/2012 9:08:48 AM , Rating: 2
Or a thriving set of mechanics (even if it has to develop into a black market version) that remove this capabilities from cars.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By drycrust3 on 10/10/2012 4:29:46 PM , Rating: 2
Just like it's a crime in most countries to drive a car without a registration plate, my guess is someone will feel the need to make it a criminal offense to disconnect this without proper authority.
You may actually find that they also have subtle ways of making it "worth your while" to have one during the transition phase, such as giving you more red lights than if you don't have the gizmo fitted, increasing the cost of whatever standing vehicle taxes you have in America, or that there will be a unit connected to your local gas station petrol pump, meaning it won't dispense fuel to you unless you have a working unit in the car.
Other things will be automated parking fees, so that as soon as you park your car a machine will start to charge you, and if you don't have the gizmo then it will alert the parking wardens to come along and ticket you.
Of course, if your car happens to be stolen you'd think the police would get a minute by minute report as to where your car is and which bank it was parked outside ... but the cynics would say you will probably incur fines because the unit was disconnected illegally, parking charges for two minutes it was parked outside of the bank, and then fines for the illegal speed it was driven away from the bank.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By conquistadorst on 10/10/2012 9:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
I definitely see this happen to me all the time. But how do you know they weren't already accelerating? I mean, if you have a faster car, of course you're going to appear to be going faster. But I drive a Civic, it takes awhile to get up to 75mph, especially if I'm not burning through gas with the pedal to the metal heh... if that's the case, not sure how you can expect everyone to accelerate just as fast as you do? Anyway, there's really no real good reason to get so upset about it, chill out, easy on the road rage bro.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/10/2012 11:09:16 AM , Rating: 2
Ha ha, trust me, they aren't. It's almost always a situation where I've been behind them long enough to know they aren't going to stop driving like someone's grandmother. Well, until you pass them, and suddenly they're drafting you. There's no mistaking the fact that they're simply driving like @$$holes. :-\

I mean, hell, I drive a Volvo (albeit a Volvo with an occasionally very useful turbo heh heh), and I'm all for driving in a manner that doesn't trash your gas mileage. But that's not what's going on here.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By fic2 on 10/10/2012 8:45:01 PM , Rating: 2
I remember a few years ago driving down a 4 lane each way divided highway. I was in the 2nd to the right lane. There was one other car within eyesight. Where was he? Right on my ass - couldn't even see his license plate. What did I do? I slowly slowed down. After about 2 miles we were both doing 45 (from 65). He finally noticed how slow we were going and passed me.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Schrag4 on 10/10/2012 12:57:38 PM , Rating: 2
In your scenario the slow-accelarator that got passed should either slow down briefly to create distance if he wants to go the same speed or he should pass the fast-accelerator. No need to ride someone's bumper in that situation.

To the OP, I totally agree with you. These people will speed up once you get over to pass them, and then once you get back into the slow lane behind them they slow back down. It happens quite often, and it makes me wonder if I'm the only one on the road that uses cruise control.


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By Souka on 10/10/2012 11:56:33 AM , Rating: 2
I believe, in the state of Washington you can pass a 15mph over the speed limit.

So in your case, they'd get a ticket and you wouldn't (unless you're 15mpt over during the passing)


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By nerdcore on 10/10/2012 3:51:39 PM , Rating: 2
"Fogie Bloomer, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute."


RE: This is BULL$#+!.
By DJ Brandon on 10/12/2012 1:35:39 AM , Rating: 2
Very good point sir. Reading this article made me sick =(... Only going to get worst.

I read one a while back(don't rip me apart I don't know how true this is) saying they wanted to connect iPass tolls so if you get passed point A at 1pm and point be at 145 pm they would know at some point you were doing 98 mph which then would give you a ticket.


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