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Cyan Lumia 920 is indeed in the works, along with other colors; Lumia 820 will only be available in black

AT&T, Inc. (T), America's second largest carrier, has re-upped its commitment to Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1Vannouncing that for the fall it would be the only carrier in the U.S. to receive the company's top-of-the-line Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 handset.

An official launch date was not announced other than "November" -- but previous leaks point to a Nov. 2 landing.

The Lumia 920 features a glove-friendly 4.5" WXGA (768x1280) curved glass capacitive multi-touch display, a 1.5GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor, 32GB of storage, 2000 mAh battery, integrated NFC, and built-in wireless charging using the Qi wireless standard.  

A teaser video hinted that a Cyan Lumia 920 was incoming, and indeed the AT&T press release says the phone will be available in "red, white, black, yellow, and cyan".

Cyan Lumia

AT&T announced that the second-rung Lumia 820 would also be coming to its network. But if you're in the mood for the Lumia 820, hopefully your favorite color is black, because that is the only color that handset will be carried in, for now.

Olivier Puech, president of Nokia Americas, cheered the pickup, stating, "We welcome AT&T's decision to offer the Nokia Lumia 920 and Nokia Lumia 820, which, when added to what we've witnessed in other markets, underscores the momentum behind our Lumia devices and the broader Windows ecosystem.  Our continued collaboration with AT&T is an important component for Nokia's success in the U.S. market."

Indeed, the partnership has proved mutually beneficial giving Nokia a hint of life and give AT&T a fallback now that its period of exclusivity for the Apple, Inc. (AAPL) iPhone is over.  Sales of the Cyan Lumia 900, the Lumia 920's "Mango" OS predecessor have been brisk, with the handset typically being out of stock earlier this year.

However, the exclusivity agreement may draw ire from customers and investors alike, as it inherently limits sales of the handset in the U.S. at a time when Nokia desperately needs to prove its Windows Phones can hold their own with the iPhone and Android.

Source: PR Newswire



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Why exclusive? Why?
By tayb on 10/4/2012 2:08:14 PM , Rating: 4
I don't understand this. How much is AT&T paying Nokia to go exclusive with them? Can it possibly be more than the expected revenue from launching simultaneously on every major and minor carrier in the country? That doesn't seem possible. I'm interested in Windows Phone and the Lumia 920 looked pretty good but I would rather get a GoPhone than sign a contract with AT&T.




RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 10/4/2012 2:12:11 PM , Rating: 5
I don't get it either. Why limit yourself to one carrier, not even the largest carrier at that.

How the hell is MS supposed to grow WP8 market share like this?


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Schadenfroh on 10/4/2012 2:39:22 PM , Rating: 5
My guess would be the following:
* AT&T offered Nokia $$$
* Limited availability / production yield and it will launch on more carriers once production is at full capacity (around the time the exclusivity expires)
* Nokia launches a 920 Maxx model in a few months that is available on other carriers (original remains AT&T exclusive)
* No need to support CDMA for initial offering
* An AT&T exec might have false hopes of a return to the days when the iPhone was hot and only on AT&T


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By B3an on 10/4/2012 3:20:25 PM , Rating: 2
Is this not an actual exclusive deal between both companies? Has it been confirmed or not? Because i think you might be right about limited availability .

If it's an exclusive deal it makes no sense at all though. It's always like this with WP phones. You either cant get them at all in your country or just one or two carriers have them. And then people say WP dont do well. It's obviously not because of the OS, thats great and gets great reviews and the best user feedback. It's simply because people CANT GET WP7/8 phones.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Argon18 on 10/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Pirks on 10/4/2012 3:28:35 PM , Rating: 3
Other little whiny dicks like you were bitching same shit about Xbox a few years ago, so don't yet count WP8 off. I found that it indeed crossed off items from my required feature list and finally became on par with Android and iOS feature wise. The only thing it lacks is some native 3D games from iOS/Android and really nice screens like in Galaxy Note. The rest is there. Even the screen size issue is not that horrible given that ATIV S sports 4.8" screen which is very close to ideal size of 5.5" I don't see reasons why WP8 won't take off given that a) Nokia is really pushing the bar higher now with some slick stuff that iOS and/or Android don't have and b) MS is bringing out its own high end WP8 phone next year, to make the platform even more appealing.

So maybe you should plug your hole and wait for a while before you start whining and bitching again?


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By semiconshawn on 10/4/2012 5:26:16 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
sports 4.8" screen which is very close to ideal size of 5.5"


Damn not for me. I dont want that in my pocket and I sure dont want to be seen holding it up to my face talking on it. These giant phablets or whatever are not for everyone. How the hell to you exercise with a 5.5 inch phone in your pocket?


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Pirks on 10/5/2012 3:39:28 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
dont want to be seen holding it up to my face talking on it
Never heard magic word Bluetooth I guess? Figures hehe ;)
quote:
How the hell to you exercise with a 5.5 inch phone in your pocket?
Why would you exercise in tights at all? LOL so funny :)))


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By someguy123 on 10/4/2012 10:16:35 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't understand it. I've actually been waiting for this thing after verge managed to get a legitimate test of the camera. Now I can't even buy one at launch since I'm attached to verizon. Their market share is already small and now they've cut off a massive addressable market.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Labotomizer on 10/5/2012 8:32:45 AM , Rating: 2
I couldn't agree more. I was really hoping the 920 would come to VZW. Looks like I'm going with the ATIV or the 8X.

Of course there is one small sliver of hope. The Lumia 820 is rumored to launch on VZW as the 822. If that's the case then we could see the 920 launch on VZW as the 922. I kind of doubt it but that would still technically give ATT exclusivity on the 920... We can hope anyway.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Trisped on 10/5/2012 3:16:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
How the hell is MS supposed to grow WP8 market share like this?
The same way Apple did. By limiting who can buy the products it not only gets the name out, it also produces a sense of rarity and value in those who cannot get it on their preferred network.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By ksherman on 10/4/2012 2:31:47 PM , Rating: 2
It's probably for the same reason the iPhone was exclusive for a while: international support without having to create multiple hardware versions!


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Pirks on 10/4/2012 2:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would rather get a GoPhone than sign a contract with AT&T
I use AT&T without any contract, and you can too. There are other options than a contract. Learn to read maybe? And read about them on AT&T site?

What's wrong with you people?


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Mitch101 on 10/4/2012 5:45:47 PM , Rating: 2
Ideally I wanted Verizon but I'm OK with AT&T they wired my office so I will get a signal everywhere in my office.

Verizon is defiantly the top dog but AT&T isn't bad. I get a corporate discount on either.

I just need to get off Sprint ever since they decommissioned a number of towers they have added two dead spots on my way home basically singed their death warrant with me and because of it I can leave my contract early I'm told.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By ShaolinSoccer on 10/5/2012 8:04:26 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Verizon is defiantly the top dog but AT&T isn't bad.


AT&T isn't bad? They charged my aunt $51 on her land line for making a 9 minute phone call overseas. They jacked up my internet bill $10 a month without telling me anything about why. Then when I called them to complain, their manager was very rude to me and cancelled my internet service. My dad decided to try out AT&T's internet service. They started it up then 2 months later, they drop him without reason. He calls up and asks why. They told him it's because he owed them a "little" bit of money from years ago. He asked them why they didn't just add it to his next bill or at least send him a letter. They didn't need to cancel his service the way they did. They have really bad business practices and my family, friends and I will never use AT&T ever again!


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Mitch101 on 10/5/2012 11:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
Landline? Help them out man and get them on VOIP.

Overall Im sorry to hear that whenever Ive been with AT&T in the past its been a good experience. The only downside is when they decided to discontinue thier VOIP service and I had to sadly go back to Vonage for a little while. AT&T Voip as Rock Solid as SunRocket until they closed thier doors and took my phone number with them while I was job searching.

For the record Im on Ooma now. Once I got the upload/download settings right its been really solid. On a very rare occasion it will reboot - possibly firmware update on me when Im doing something online. But thats happened maybe 3 times in a year. It could also be Time Wonder Internet service messing with things.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Myrandex on 10/5/2012 4:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
Your experiences are definitely different than others.

I've never had any issues with AT&T billing or service or anything like that. LTE coverage is great and HSPA+ coverage is great in my area. Better signal in buildings and basements than Verizon any day here. I think its a shame that they don't offer unlimited data anymore, but the network and customer service has been flawless for me for 9+ years.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By MadMan007 on 10/4/2012 7:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
Unless you're month-to-month after your contract expired, the only other service option for smartphones from AT&T is 'GoPhone' service. To use a smartphone with it you have to add a data package, so while you daren't limited to a low-end 'GoPhone', GoPhone is the only non-contract phone service AT&T offers.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By zzynko on 10/4/2012 8:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong! Straight Talk gives you the same phone service you get with AT&T, TMobile with their pre-paid plans.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By MadMan007 on 10/5/2012 4:46:48 AM , Rating: 2
Straight Talk is an MVNO and isn't a plan on AT&T's website. Also...compare coverage maps, you might be surprised. (Like all MVNOs, the coverage isn't the same as direct AT&T coverage - in this case the 'Android coverage' is pretty small.)


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Myrandex on 10/5/2012 4:04:28 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong. Smartphones are able to be used with AT&T month by month.

The real thing to wonder about is why anyone in their right mind would. When signing a contract and getting an expensive smart phone for free or cheap, part of your month by month contract price goes to paying off the phone. Once it is paid off, in theory your phone bill should drop the $5 or $10 a month it was costing to pay off your phone. In the U.S. no carrier works like this though (not just AT&T) so it makes no sense at all to go month by month without a contract on the big carriers unless you are on some super elite plan that is not offered anymore (such as if you require unlimited data - for example I have a line with a smartphone on it with $10 / month unlimited data which is awesome).

Otherwise go MVNO...$45 / Mo for unlimited everything is hard to beat even w/ corporate discounts and everything.

Jason


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By MadMan007 on 10/6/2012 8:36:50 AM , Rating: 2
And AT&T no contract month-to-month is called 'GoPhone.' Maybe you think that makes it arguing semantics, because that's simply AT&T's marketing name for it. But proving Pirks wrong is worth it. (The exception is month-to-month off an expired contract, which I already mentioned.) derp.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By TakinYourPoints on 10/4/2012 5:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps it is a hardware issue. Maybe they don't want to make models with multiple antennas, thus limiting them to AT&T. Who knows. Either way it sucks. The main thing that held back the iPhone until last year was being limited to one carrier, and that platform is a massive success. Microsoft is coming from a position of weakness and needs all the help they can get, which means also being available on Verizon, Sprint, etc etc.

It sucks and hope they get that sorted soon.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By zzynko on 10/5/2012 1:56:23 AM , Rating: 2
Have you not noticed that the rest of the world functions within the GSM-LTE standards. Verizon with a CDMA network is not seen as a high priority, since you got to refit the production lines for that particular network basebands.

World 95% > Verizon 5%

The limited availability at launch of a high end device is always at a premium.
Plus, it doesn't help that AT&T paid Nokia for the exclusivity.
You can always get the Lumia 822 or and HTC 8X with Verizon.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By Myrandex on 10/5/2012 4:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
I wish more people realized this...I would never give a CDMA network my money for that simple fact that they are CDMA. I would by a microcell with a GSM carrier if I lived in an area with marginal service before going with a CDMA carrier due to their locked down network and devices.


RE: Why exclusive? Why?
By gamilonman on 10/5/2012 9:54:51 AM , Rating: 2
Carrier exclusives can suck my balls. I was all set to get a 920 for my wife in November, but we are on Verizon since ATT doesn't work at our house (despite being in their DFW home market). I haven't yet seen any other interesting high end Win8 phones (can't do HTC since we bought two Thunderbolts during the last upgrade that were a total disaster). Bollocks!


arrrg!!
By bigboy678 on 10/4/2012 2:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
i cant believe this!! i was in the market to pick up a smart phone around christmas and the 920 really appealed to me. I am however on verizon and have absolutely no interest in going to at&t. I cant believe Nokia who is struggling to make money would take their flagship phone and make it a carrier exclusive!!




RE: arrrg!!
By Egglick on 10/4/2012 2:35:48 PM , Rating: 2
Nokia just committed suicide. These are their flagship phones, and the fate of the company is likely riding on them. The stupidity of making them an AT&T exclusive just blows my mind.


RE: arrrg!!
By salomonskier720 on 10/4/2012 2:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
Couldn't agree with you folks more. I was 100% in on Purchasing this phone but now that it is only coming to AT&T, I am out.

I was even considering biting the bullet and paying the price to switch to Verizon if I had to, but now that it isn't even being offered there I am devastated. The HTC phones look ok, but I was really into the Nokia :-( This just ruined my day/week... that is how excited I was for this phone. Maybe I am a nerd


RE: arrrg!!
By StevoLincolnite on 10/4/2012 2:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
You still have the option of buying the phone outright and unlocked and off a contract and use it with whatever carrier you want. :)

Mind you, I don't expect that to come cheap though.


RE: arrrg!!
By Pirks on 10/4/2012 3:16:37 PM , Rating: 1
Also some Nokia 920 will soon be sold on ebay unpacked for $200 off the MSRP, this is how I got my brand new HTC Titan for $260 and brand new _INTERNATIONAL UNLOCKED_ Galaxy Note for $440 (not the cut down US crap with shitty CPU they'd sell to tayb and salomon noobz hehe).

So these tayb and salomon guys are a just couple of whiny sad noobz, move along people.


RE: arrrg!!
By salomonskier720 on 10/4/2012 7:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
Pirks... Last time I checked Sprint and Verizon run on CDMA...

The only other viable carriers run GSM, such as ATT, Tmobile, etc. Do you think I am just anti-AT&T or maybe is it the fact that I want a good coverage in my area.

WOW you can use ebay to buy these phones?!?!? In case you are soft headed... I am kidding

So is it only noobs which enjoy having a network where they actually have coverage?

Flame on


RE: arrrg!!
By gamilonman on 10/5/2012 10:01:34 AM , Rating: 2
And, due to the dumb-ass nature of the US phone contract system, you get to pay a monthly subsidy whether you buy a phone or not, so you have to consider a wasted $~20-30/month of your phone bill going nowhere by buying off contract. That irritation alone is enough to want me to buy in-system (which is of course what they want, but it is what it is).


RE: arrrg!!
By jimbojimbo on 10/4/2012 4:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
Not every carrier. TMobile maybe but definitely not Verizon.


RE: arrrg!!
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/4/2012 4:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
I know! It's crazy that they'd repeat the mistake that Apple made when they first released the iPhone.


RE: arrrg!!
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/4/2012 4:38:40 PM , Rating: 2
/sarcasm


RE: arrrg!!
By TakinYourPoints on 10/4/2012 6:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
It is a different time now. When the iPhone came out it was the first of its kind during the infancy of the modern consumer smartphone. Now there are the iOS and Android juggernauts, platforms so massive that they've more or less sunk RIM while also sinking Palm and Symbian.

What passed as platform availability before 2010 doesn't apply in 2012, WP needs to be available on more carriers now that mobile platforms are more mature and more competitive.


RE: arrrg!!
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 10/5/2012 12:56:01 PM , Rating: 2
I know, but people are calling this a "bad business decision" just because they don't want to use AT&T, not because it's objectively a bad business decision. I imagine that the reality is that there won't be enough stock initially for more than one carrier, so they went with the one that paid the most for exclusivity. Either way, people were gonna be disappointed when they couldn't get the phone at launch, so...


I could switch
By wickyman on 10/4/2012 3:27:36 PM , Rating: 2
My first "modern" smartphone was an iPhone 3G that I bought for a trip up north. I figured with all the traveling a GPS would be handy, and keeping my music, movies, and web all in one device, in my pocket at all times was way better than carrying around dedicated devices to do the same job. Since then I've had each iPhone released, at the time of release - except the 5, which I'm undecided on mainly because they didn't do a big camera upgrade.

Android up to this point has been very ugly and seemed like such a hack job, only the last 2 builds seemed to have brought beauty into the base builds and here's hoping aesthetics will become a bigger focus of apps for developers as well. Because yes, it is not enough that an app simply works, I do want it to look nice as well. The phones themselves have not really been that great either, there were a few that looked nice, but in my opinion the iPhones looked better. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that...

But that is something Nokia and Microsoft have done here. Not only is Nokia able to pull of a great piece of engineering and design that I think really puts Apple and the Android handset makers to shame, but I tip my hat to Microsoft for coming up with a wonderful interface that is not only easy to navigate but looks very nice as well. A recent trip my local Microsoft store proved that to me.

I really hope phones like this are the savior of Nokia and with such decent hardware at it's base and Windows Phone 8... I think ATT might see me away from my iPhone and into one of these if they let me keep my unlimited data plan.

Microsoft REALLY needs to start getting very aggressive with their app store though. Start courting developers with big money, relax the policies that are pissing them off, and just get positive news in the press. Right now my biggest fear for switching is that all the apps I need wont be available, and to be honest that is not a big list of apps.




RE: I could switch
By Pirks on 10/4/2012 3:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not only is Nokia able to pull of a great piece of engineering and design that I think really puts Apple and the Android handset makers to shame
Well I also read multiple reports that HTC 8X is really really sweet and sexy, very high build quality and is a pleasure to hold, so maybe you gotta check 'em out sometime.
quote:
I tip my hat to Microsoft for coming up with a wonderful interface that is not only easy to navigate but looks very nice as well
This is why MS is following Apple's footsteps and building up its retail presence everywhere with multiple new store openings recently and a LOT of smaller kiosks being set up in most popular US malls this holiday season. They will show off their new slick Win8 and WP8 stuff which should drive sales, given proper marketing and big pushy ads campaign Apple style.
quote:
Right now my biggest fear for switching is that all the apps I need wont be available, and to be honest that is not a big list of apps
This was my fear before going WP7 too but I found that there are tons of smaller independent developers that make money by producing clones of popular apps like Instagram. Then I found recently that bank apps like Chase are being released to WP7 as of now, so... situation with apps is probably improved now to the point you should be able to switch w/o any problems but you better read some WP7 forums to be sure. They are abuzz with people offering good replacements for the "official" apps like Instagram that are sucking Apple too deep and are very slow in transitioning to WinPhone.


Great news for HTC
By mtlcan on 10/4/2012 5:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
I had made up my mind to buy a Lumia 920 on Verizon. Nokia is now off the table for me. Luckily HTC has done an oustanding job at designing the new 8X. This is a major and well-deserved boost to HTC.




RE: Great news for HTC
By semiconshawn on 10/4/2012 5:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah. Im dissapointed myself. I wanted to check it out. I bought the ip5 off contract to replace a dunked phone and I was going to give it to my daughter when the 920 hit. I want the camera and the screen I can use with my riding gloves on. My only concern was the size of that brick. The HTC looks great but doesnt have the same cool screen. DAMMIT!


820 in black doesn't matter
By Belard on 10/5/2012 3:56:48 PM , Rating: 2
The 820 in black doesn't matter really, since its BODY is a simple cover, designed to be easily replaced... it also doesn't need much of a protector either, eh? The whole phone is a body... why spend $20~30 for a protector when you can just replace the $20 body, with any color you want.




RE: 820 in black doesn't matter
By Alexvrb on 10/5/2012 11:35:41 PM , Rating: 2
I was just thinking this myself. Jason must have missed this "minor detail". Once you factor the replaceable shell in, I think the 820 has more colors available than the 920. I'm sure we'll see aftermarket ones with all sorts of designs, too.

Oh also, if you get an 820 and decide that you really wanted the Qi wireless inductive charging like the 920 has, you can get a shell that adds that to the 820 too. The 820 also has the advantage of a removeable battery and behind that an SD card slot (SD XC up to 64GB).

So if Verizon at least gets the 822 and HTX 8X, it's not all bad news.


I hate AT&T so much right now.
By eskimospy on 10/4/2012 3:44:12 PM , Rating: 2
This was the phone I was planning on getting, but there's no way I'm leaving Verizon for AT&T. Whyyyyyyyyyy.




now it makes sense
By MadMan007 on 10/4/2012 7:43:50 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe MS has known about this for a little while and it is why theya re using HTC as their 'featured device' for WP8?




Well, Nokia Just Lost a Customer...
By Arsynic on 10/5/2012 9:53:17 AM , Rating: 1
I'm not going to AT&T's shitty service just to get a phone. Guess I'll be getting the HTC 8X from Verizon.

How in the hell do they expect to sell phones by making them exclusive to one carrier? They don't have Apple's mind share!




Terrible!!!!
By stm1185 on 10/4/12, Rating: -1
"I mean, if you wanna break down someone's door, why don't you start with AT&T, for God sakes? They make your amazing phone unusable as a phone!" -- Jon Stewart on Apple and the iPhone














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