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Base model Jetta Hybrid is priced well

Volkswagen of America has announced the official pricing for the 2013 Jetta Hybrid. The official price for the base Jetta Hybrid will be $24,995 with an SE model starting at $26,990. Volkswagen says that the hybrid version of the Jetta will be the most fuel-efficient Jetta in the lineup with an estimated combined fuel economy rating of 45 mpg. 
The car is also the first hybrid in the world to use a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission. The car will also be the fastest compact hybrid in its class with an estimated 0 to 60 mph time of less than nine seconds. The 2013 Jetta Hybrid is also able to drive on electricity alone at speeds of up to 44 mph for up to 1.2 miles depending on operating conditions.
The gasoline engine of the Jetta Hybrid is a 1.4-liter turbocharged TSI engine combined with 27-HP electric motor -- total system output is listed at 170hp and 184 lb-ft of torque. The vehicle in base form will feature front and rear disc brakes, daytime running lights, power heated exterior mirrors, 15-inch wheels, rear spoiler, rear diffuser, and hybrid badging. The car will also have power windows and six way manually adjustable seats along with air-conditioning. The base model also features integrated Bluetooth technology and a CD player with six speakers.
The SE version of the vehicle includes all the base model features and adds LED tail lights, power reclining front seats, a media-device interface with an iPod cable (Lightning perhaps?), and a premium touchscreen radio along with keyless entry and start. The high-end hybrid SEL will sell for $29,325 and adds a sunroof, navigation system, heated front seats, and more. Volkswagen's top-of-the-line Jetta Hybrid, the SEL Premium, will start at $31,180.

The SEL Premium version gets the hardware from the SEL plus navigation, LED daytime running lights, and active front light system, bi-xenon headlights, 17-inch wheels, and a premium audio system and more.
Volkswagen first announced the Jetta Hybrid back in January.

Source: VW

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By ksherman on 10/4/2012 10:16:09 AM , Rating: 2
So it gets about the same mileage as their TDI? Why didn't they add the hybrid drive to the TDI engine??

By Brandon Hill on 10/4/2012 10:27:14 AM , Rating: 4
The Jetta Hybrid is rated at 45mpg combined (city and highway are likely in the mid 40s).

The Jetta TDI is rated at 30/42 (city/highway), 34 combined.

How is that "the same mileage"?

By Spoelie on 10/4/12, Rating: 0
By Spuke on 10/4/2012 11:50:07 AM , Rating: 4
Hybrids may rule city/start-stop driving, but a diesel engine is just more efficient than petrol on highways.
Except I can't use your numbers because they aren't comparable (you know...EPA vs some dude on the internet) AND hybrids are a "hybrid" of gas and electric. If you want to compare some numbers have that "internet dude" test a hybrid Jetta AND a diesel Jetta. Get back to me on that, would ya. Thanks.

By tayb on 10/4/2012 2:38:06 PM , Rating: 2
EPA numbers are garbage in my opinion. Not that crackpot numbers from random people (such as myself) online are any better but honestly I don't think they are any worse. There's just no way to account for all the different styles of driving and situations that drivers will find themselves in. My old '96 Rav4 was estimated combined 19 MPG and in reality I was always around 29-31 depending on traffic. That's a huge disparity and that isn't uncommon in my experience.

I've seen similar 50+ mpg stories from people driving diesel VWs. It all depends on how you drive the car.

By othercents on 10/4/2012 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 3
The EPA numbers are more scientific than the numbers on the street especially since they are done in a closed environment. If I was to drive two different cars the differences in temperature, wind, humidity, etc. would cause the numbers to fluctuate.

Now the problem is that the EPA numbers are based on pre-production vehicles and don't take in account how different packages affect the MPG rating. Only 10-20% are actually tested by the EPA. Most all tests are done by the manufacture and who says that they are not cheating. Also I don't think the EPA test can be considered typical driving habits by most Americans. I believe their tests are best case drivers.

I own a 2011 Elantra and EPA says 29/40 MPG however I typically get 25 MPG and I drive 50/50 city and highway. Since I have the Limited edition the differences in trim options could mean I'm getting 2-5 MPG less than the pre-production model.

By Solandri on 10/4/2012 6:15:01 PM , Rating: 2
I own a 2011 Elantra and EPA says 29/40 MPG however I typically get 25 MPG and I drive 50/50 city and highway

The EPA mileages are not meant to predict the mileage you will get. EPA mileages are to allow buyers to compare the mileage between cars.

e.g. If the EPA rates the Elantra at 35 MPG and rates some other car at 42 MPG, then you can expect the other car to get 42/35 = 1.2x the MPG of the Elantra. If your actual mileage with the Elantra is 25 MPG, then you should expect to get somewhere around 30 MPG with the other car under your driving patterns.

By Spoelie on 10/5/2012 7:20:40 AM , Rating: 2
Hybrids don't use their electric drive-train at highway speeds. The only reason they are modestly more efficient on highways than a regular petrol car is because they usually also have lower drag coefficients, low-rolling-resistance tires, an engine geared more for efficiency than instant power, longer gearing, lower weight, ... .

All these things can also be added to a non-hybrid car, which most manufacturers have done in their bluemotion/ efficientdynamics/... lines, which make the combustion engine the only differentiating factor.

Also, the 45mpg EPA number is still an estimation, not the actual measurement.

By Reclaimer77 on 10/4/2012 6:16:21 PM , Rating: 2
but a diesel engine is just more efficient than petrol on highways.

Who cares?

By ksherman on 10/4/12, Rating: 0
By lagomorpha on 10/4/2012 2:39:36 PM , Rating: 3
why didn't they add the hybrid system to a diesel engine?

If I had to guess probably because no one wants to pay $35000 for a Jetta.

By semiconshawn on 10/4/2012 6:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
Id pay 35K for a Jetta if it came with a free F150 ecoboost 4x4.

By Ringold on 10/4/2012 4:41:21 PM , Rating: 1
I wish they had more details about what that couple did to accomplish that incredible feat.

An elaborate auto-pilot system using forward-facing lasers that allowed them to draft precisely 3 inches behind semi trailers. :P

By cpeter38 on 10/4/2012 5:51:33 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to get really good FE, Pulse and Glide w/o engine. Drafting really doesn't do that much for you because of the dirty drag issues. Besides, you'll get the truck driver POd and you might end up as sandwich meat ...

By bsd228 on 10/4/2012 2:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
> The Jetta Hybrid is rated at 45mpg combined (city and highway are likely in the mid 40s)
> The Jetta TDI is rated at 30/42 (city/highway), 34 combined.
> How is that "the same mileage"?

the common experience of diesel owners strongly suggests that the EPA testing protocol for fuel economy is not very accurate for that type. They struggle with the evaluations of the plug in electrics and hybrids as well.

By ExarKun333 on 10/4/2012 4:42:05 PM , Rating: 2
The TDI will be better for a driver that will spend the majority of their time on the highway. The hybrid is better for city driving, but not a lot.

The TDI is a much better buy.

By Dribble on 10/4/2012 11:42:52 AM , Rating: 2
The new 1.4 turbo petrol is a very efficient engine, even in unhybrid form mpg would be very good.

Also these hybrids are really meant for efficient town driving - lots of start stop. Not only is diesel less efficient at that but most have dpf's that require 20 minutes of high speed running now and again to clean themselves, something some town drivers never manage. If you don't get that they clog up and cost a fortune to replace.

By autoboy on 10/4/2012 2:11:25 PM , Rating: 2
Because a diesel engine makes less power than a gas engine, and power is energy that charges the batteries. The 2.0L TDI makes 140hp and the 2.0L gas engine makes 200-211 hp. The TDI gets away with less power because of high torque, and torque makes an engine feel tractable on the road. But torque is not energy. Power is energy and the batteries need to be charged with energy and not torque. So, it makes more sense to use a higher energy engine than a low energy high torque engine.

By silverblue on 10/5/2012 8:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
140bhp isn't massive for a 2.0L turbodiesel, but efficiency is the name of the game. You can get similar engined cars with 170bhp, for example (see the Alfa Romeo Giulietta).

The EPA ratings should be taken with a pinch of salt. If you're driving mostly at high speed, a diesel will undoubtedly benefit you over a petrol, whereas for city driving, a hybrid or a city car is the most obvious choice. As for a diesel hybrid, the Peugeot 3008 HYbrid4 does 2.5 to 3 miles on its batteries which already beats the Jetta comprehensively (though not a US car), so there's definitely scope for diesel-hybrids.

By Samus on 10/4/2012 6:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
Why didn't they add the hybrid drive to the TDI engine??

There is a reason you don't see hybrid diesel engines in typical vehicles (you see them on buses, but for different reasons) and that is simply because most of the fuel efficiency of the petrol engine is gained by reducing the combustion amount using a miller cycle compression technique. The miller cycle reduces torque at the expense of increased fuel economy, and traditionally this torque was made up for with a supercharger (think old Mazda 929's) but the technology works substantially better when paired with a high torque electric motor to pickup for the reduced low end torque of engine.

The miller cycle can not be applied to diesels because of the way they use compression for detonation. I'm sure you can read why on wikipedia...but your basic answer is hybrid technology paired to a small diesel engine won't improve your fuel economy at all. It will simply increase weight and increase wear on the diesel engine (especially constant stopping/starting)

By freedom4556 on 10/5/2012 3:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
The 50-state light-duty vehicle limit for emissions of nitrogen oxides is 0.07 grams per mile. In Western Europe, the limit is 0.29. Reducing NOx to nitrogen and oxygen is much harder with a diesel engine because the exhaust is typically cooler and contains less oxygen compared to a gas engine. To meet U.S. regulations, diesel engines are required to use complicated--and expensive--high-pressure fuel injection and after-treatment systems that in some cases inject an aqueous urea solution to handle the NOx.

This is the main reason why.

By jeffkro on 10/6/2012 2:03:40 AM , Rating: 2
Vw sells a solid rear axle in the US and an independent rear end jetta in Germany. Their theory was Germans wouldn't put up with the bad handling from the solid rear and Americans wouldn't know the difference. Pretty irritating.

By Samus on 10/6/2012 4:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
American doesn't get any of the good options or features, either.

You have to buy a North American Audi to get German VW options, which is why I think people who consider their Audi's luxury cars clearly haven't been in a BMW, Mercedes or Cadillac for that matter...

My 10 year old Focus has nicer leather than my friends Audi A3, which cost $20,000 more. The only mechanical difference is the A3 had 32 more HP, AWD, while being a lot slower, heavier, and getting somewhere around 10mpg less in the city.

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