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  (Source: ComputerWorld)
Windows 8 not at popular as Windows 7 so far

Microsoft has a lot riding on Windows 8 operating system. The software giant is hoping that Windows 8 will bring a slew of consumers upgrading from older computers and older versions of its operating system. Microsoft is also betting that Windows 8 will get a strong foothold in the tablet market as well
 
So far, users are currently five times less likely to be running Windows 8 as they were Windows 7 at the same point before its launch. The new statistics come from research firm Net Applications and indicate a lukewarm reception of the Windows 8 operating system by consumers.
 
Windows 7 was a follow-up to Windows Vista, which was one of the more maligned versions of Microsoft's operating system in recent years. Windows 7 lured many upgraders not only from Vista, but from the older XP operating system as well. Windows 8 doesn't have the luxury of following an unloved version of Windows like Windows 7.
 
The statistics offered by Net Applications only count computer users who installed preview versions of Windows 8 and preview versions of Windows 7. The statistics are believed to provide a clear indication of consumer interest in the operating system rather than a desire or need for new computer hardware.
 
In September, only 0.33% of all computers using Windows relied on Windows 8. That works out to 33 out of every 10,000 Windows machines using Windows 8. By the end of September 2009, with very similar time remaining before the launch of Windows 7, the operating system accounted for 1.64% of all Windows PCs working out to 164 out of every 10,000 units. 
 
Analysts are beginning to believe that Microsoft won't see the uptick in OS sales that it hoped for with Windows 8. Gartner recently advised clients that it predicts the operating system would top out at only 20 to 25% share in the corporate environment. 
 
Windows 8 went RTM in August and will launch this month.

Source: ComputerWorld



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RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By kleinma on 10/2/2012 10:52:07 AM , Rating: -1
first of all, WMC is a piece of garbage. Second of all, it is getting released for free to pro version users after the official release date. Why anyone would use WMC over XBMC is beyond me, it is a night and day difference in quality and features.

Also you can remove any tiles from the start screen that you don't want to see, so complaining that you get a tile for everything you install is sort of moot.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By damianrobertjones on 10/2/2012 10:55:52 AM , Rating: 3
Your personal opinion on WMC is NOT shared. Sorry.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By andrewaggb on 10/2/2012 12:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
I really liked WMC as well. We can't use cablecard in canada (afaik) so we're stuck with pvr's from our tv providers or recording analog cable..., which means I don't really have a use for WMC anymore. I'm using plex.

I also had problems with WMC not seeing all my content sometimes which was really annoying.

I think MS really dropped the ball on WMC support in windows 7 (could have been so much more) and then abandoned it for windows 8 (more or less). WMC was way ahead of it's time, just now appletv, googletv, netflix, etc is all finally becoming mainstream. Seems silly that MS abandons it now.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By Varun on 10/2/2012 1:57:22 PM , Rating: 2
You can also use a Hauppauge Colossus to capture HD TV in Canada. It's not ideal, but it's what I do.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By EnzoFX on 10/2/2012 1:59:06 PM , Rating: 1
MS dropping a push for WMC makes complete sense.

This from someone that used it heavily. However it is painfully obvious that it was always a niche product, and it's one that is shrinking quickly. With people dropping their cable/satellite subscriptions for online services, coupled with overall desktop use, with the rise of tablets/smarter phones, etc. The user of tuners with computers is dropping. It's a dying niche. I'd rather they get out of it so they can focus on things that matter, though they seem to be dropping the ball on those things as well... sigh.

I don't see Win8 doing too well, maybe in their low end stuff that's arm based and priced comparable to Android/iPad offerings. In the high end, I don't see it since Ultrabooks have always seemed a tough sell to me (overpriced).


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By EnzoFX on 10/2/2012 2:14:13 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, and on the other end, people that do stick with their cable/satellite subscriptions, their dvr offerings have caught up significantly in terms of overall features, so they too are sticking more to what their providers give them.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By andrewaggb on 10/2/2012 2:33:18 PM , Rating: 3
But I think MS could have evolved the WMC concept, built it into tv's, got it into pvr's etc. Stuff like airplay, netflix, etc could all have been in WMC years ago and licensed etc. To me it's just another market MS dabbled in (like tablets) before it's time, only half committed to, and ultimately finds itself an insignificant player.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By EnzoFX on 10/2/2012 4:12:25 PM , Rating: 1
but it would still be a shrinking niche. Only now is that stuff solidly in TV's, and only android is making headways with certain tv manufacturers, because it's free probably (apple TV and set top boxes are a niche, apple always says it's their pet project). It's just a tough marriage, coming from a computing side, and trying to merge it into another companies' manufacturing side. That's probably the challenge, and that's probably why Win never had their own phone or tablet, etc.

Nevertheless I agree, it's a lack of commitment, though I wish this uphill battle would have significant results for those that are fighting it. I want serious headway made here by such players, but I do realize it's an uphill battle for them, that most don't have the stomach for. Think about TV's and set top boxes. 90% of people use the boxes their providers give them, and TV's are purchased every few years, and they're not very update friendly, they end up connecting them again, to whatever they happen to subscribe to, or maybe a console. The rise of the smarter console is also to blame here haha. They too can offer many of those services. So again, it's a dying niche. They should update it in a serious way for the Xbox maybe. Get the market that way, then offer their own set top boxes and spin it off into tv integration.


By NellyFromMA on 10/2/2012 3:07:15 PM , Rating: 2
http://betanews.com/2012/10/02/windows-8-is-not-ab...

Sorry to link to another news site, but perhaps DT would like to get on the ball with the concensus shared by anyone not trying to sensationalize tech and enflame its comment board usage?


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By jjlj on 10/2/2012 11:06:34 AM , Rating: 2
XBMC didn't work with tuner cards in win 8 yet, at least I couldn't get it to work. I couldn't watch antenna TV with win 8. I am fully aware of XBMC and use it.

I could have also said no WMC was the last straw. I too know it will be available at some point. It wasn't available in the RTM pro version I used.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By Mitch101 on 10/2/2012 12:01:05 PM , Rating: 3
The difference is WMC doesnt ship with Windows 8 you have to download it Microsoft was going to charge a fee for it since its rarely used but later decided to make it a free download.

How to add Media Center to Windows 8 Release Preview
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57445533-75/how-...

Im about to explore doing this as an HTPC option.

I use WMC with a Silicon Dust Dual HD tuner with a cheap antenna hiding in my attic. WMC is excellent at recording video and the guide I dont want to give that up.

With that I love XBMC you can add it as a menu option on your WMC menu
http://xbmcwmc.teknowebworks.com/

Be sure to add the additional ones at the bottom of that link

HULU Desktop Integration 2.1 - HULU Windows Media Center Integration
Boxee Integration 2.1 - Boxee Windows Media Center Integration
My Music At Home - Leave your MP3s at home and listen to them through a web browser

I plan on using an X-Box 360 controller with the USB wireless adapter and adding the gaming option under XBMC
http://lifehacker.com/5523672/turn-your-xbmc-media...

If your into WMC you know it recently lost support for items like CBS but Im hoping that someone will pick up the ball and make it a add on for XBMC for easy navigation but who knows we could see an x-box pluging as well.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By jjlj on 10/2/2012 12:25:36 PM , Rating: 2
I couldn't add WMC to the Win 8 Pro RTM. Not sure it you can now or not.

As a DVR and guide WMC works perfectly for watching OTA channels.

Have you tried the Free Cable plugin for XBMC? I never watched any of the CBS videos in WMC.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By Mitch101 on 10/2/2012 2:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't loaded the RTM yet I just got the hardware together for it but it seems that WMC will be available again for Win 8 on launch (Oct 26th). I recall hearing the same as you and yelling NOoooo but someone told me Microsoft changed their stance and its a download now. They were gonna charge $12.95 for it but decided to make it free.

Totally agree WMC as a DVR is great. Some of the TV networks made it easy to access content like Big Brother and a bunch of other shows in WMC but now you have to go to their websites for the streaming content.

No haven't tried the free cable plugin for XBMC Ive seen some very interesting things on it like torrent tv which might be interesting. I haven't used it much since the X-Box 1 days.

From what I understand there are No changes to it since Win 7 because its not popular. I really have no problem just running Windows 7 with WMC if needed especially since nothing changed in WMC with Windows 8.

What else I liked about WMC is it synced shows well with my Phone it recoded it to a format that was small and also that it works with the X-Box 360.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By kmmatney on 10/2/2012 3:53:13 PM , Rating: 1
It's not exactly free if you have to buy the Pro version of Win8 to get it.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By dark matter on 10/2/2012 11:27:20 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares what you think. Go view the stats, you're in a minority.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By kleinma on 10/2/2012 12:06:05 PM , Rating: 2
Im in the minority? MS statistics showed that something like 1% of windows users ever even opened WMC, and then it was said that something like 50% of that 1% never opened it twice. If it was popular and used by lots of people, it wouldn't have been yanked from the OS. It will be available from the app store for free to pro users at some point around RTM, mostly so people can't complain that a function from win7 upgrades was removed.

I used WMC for a long time as a HTPC solution, and it was horrible for me. I don't use a tuner card, I have a personal home collection of movies and shows (which WMC can't even ff/rw on) then I switches to XBMC and was pissed at myself for not using it sooner. There are dozens of plugins to get streaming content from the web, auto DB popultation of video/audio meta data from online databases, etc.. it just works in every way better than WMC. I can't speak to tuner card capabilities (since in the US most are crippled, and cablecard is just waiting to die) but everything else sucks about WMC


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By jjlj on 10/2/2012 12:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
I've heard about those statistics before and thought about it, but I think they may be flawed. How does MS know I use WMC? I didn't turn anonymous reporting and generally opt out of any kind of anonymous reporting for programs that crash. So the numbers may be a little skewed.

There are some pretty active discussions about WMC on various forum sites.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By p05esto on 10/2/2012 5:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
VERY good point. Most all power users turn off all reporting functions. MS has no clue what the power users do with their computers - none. I hope MS realizes that people who know turn off all tracking ans tats gathering.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By DFranch on 10/2/2012 9:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
If all you use it for is to stream movies, there are better options out there then Media Center. I used Sage TV for years, but when they sold out to Google, I switched to MCE. I have 4 clear QAM and 4 Cablecard tuners. I can record virtually any channel local or cable. You can't do that with XBMC since it doesn't support cablecard. I also use my Xbox as a media extender so I don't have to have a noisy computer sitting in my family room. Can XBMC do that? Now since XBMC is useless to me, that doesn't mean it sucks, it just means MCE is the better option for me just like XBMC is a better option for you.


By NellyFromMA on 10/2/2012 12:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
I mean, do we only care about what the majority of peopel think nowadays? C'mon seriously?

Here's a fact: the majority of people in the united stated, and in the world, are stupid, dependant, and often do not think for themselves or properly evaluate facts before making decisions.

So, telling someone 'who cares what yoou think because you're in the minority' is frankly akin to who cares if someone thought the world was round because the majority of people thought it was flat.

It's self defeating. I thought we liked technology, which implied a certain level of open mindedness. Wth.


By GreenEnvt on 10/2/2012 12:01:40 PM , Rating: 2
WMC is great.
Gives my family a single spot to watch Live TV from cable and OTA, plus movies stored on our file server.
All from a nice remote on the couch.

I'll take another look at XBMC, but last time I looked it was not as nice as WMC.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By zlandar on 10/2/2012 12:17:06 PM , Rating: 2
I like XBMC. I use it for all my MKV movies/videos. However XBMC can't do jack with a cablecard.

Inability to display cable (or even nonprotected OTA) programming through a tuner like HDhomerun/Ceton is a huge gaping hole IMO.


By jimbojimbo on 10/2/2012 4:25:55 PM , Rating: 2
You can get XBMC to play live TV from HDHomeRun now but it's clunky.
Why are people picking one or the other? I run XMBC normally but if I want to watch recorded shows I run WMC. I run it on my desktop which records shows for me.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By augiem on 10/2/2012 1:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
WMC rocks for OTA TV.


RE: Because it is terrible, IMO...
By chizow on 10/2/2012 2:41:00 PM , Rating: 2
WMC may rock for OTA, but its absolutely amazing with a CableCard. Too bad MS and the CableCos have fought so hard to keep it under wraps for so long. If CableCard went mainstream 5 years ago WMC would have much better traction.


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