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Jimihendrix-gate?  (Source: Gizmodo)
Purple haze all in my frame, iPhone 5 just don't seem the same...

“You’re holding it wrong”

It never ceases to amaze when manufacturers try to convince people that an issue with something they purchased is actually a “feature”. Apple has most recently tried to convince buyers of the iPhone 5 that the purple haze or ring around bright light sources is normal behavior.
 
An iPhone 5 owner named Matt Van Gastel had been speaking with Apple customer support about the purple flare problem with his iPhone 5. Gizmodo shows images highlighting the difference between photographs taken in the same setting using iPhone 5 compared to the iPhone 4. The purple haze around the sun is readily apparent in the iPhone 5 image, and the same purple discoloration shows up with any bright light source.
 
After going back and forth with Apple support, Van Gastel received an email back from Apple stating that their engineering team has found a solution to the problem. According to Apple, the solution is to "angle the camera away from the bright light source when taking pictures."
 
The email also went on to say that the purple flare noted in images provided to customer service is "normal behavior for the iPhone 5s camera."
 
Gizmodo reports that some photography experts believe that the purple flare problem is caused by the sapphire glass that covers the iPhone 5 camera sensor. 

Source: Gizmodo



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RE: And another...
By martyrant on 10/2/2012 10:09:28 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
According to Apple, the solution is to "angle the camera away from the bright light source when taking pictures."


Awesome. Guess they've never been photographers (or even amateur ones) before, as sometimes you cannot remove a bright light source from the frame unless you are in a studio environment, in which case the iPhone 5 would not be taking pictures in the first place...

I'm not saying that the iPhone 5 was made for photography, I'm simply saying their solution is hilarious and one that wouldn't even work in real world situations.


RE: And another...
By martyrant on 10/2/2012 10:11:08 AM , Rating: 5
Then again...most people who own Apple products don't find themselves in real world situations often (or sometimes not at all!)


RE: And another...
By aharris02 on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By inighthawki on 10/2/2012 6:17:08 PM , Rating: 2
yet completely hilarious...


RE: And another...
By Souka on 10/2/2012 6:44:25 PM , Rating: 4
In other words Apple says " you're holding it wrong "


RE: And another...
By DJ Brandon on 10/2/2012 11:37:02 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!


RE: And another...
By artemicion on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By djdjohnson on 10/2/2012 12:36:23 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, avoiding bright light sources in your pictures is good advice. But what makes this a big deal to many people is that (1) the previous models of iPhone didn't have a problem this pronounced, (2) the problem exhibits itself even when a light source (which doesn't actually have to be that bright) is out of frame... if a bright light falls on the lens at all the problem shows up, and (3) Apple is touting the iPhone 5 as having the best camera they've ever produced.

Since the image sensor is the same as the one in the 4S, it's kind of aggravating that new, significant problems show up in a product that is supposed to be "better." Other than better low light performance, it would be hard to call this an improvement.


RE: And another...
By artemicion on 10/2/2012 12:43:24 PM , Rating: 3
I wasn't trying to say that the optics on the iPhone 5 camera were acceptable. Obviously, the iPhone 5 camera suffers from a very significant flaw.

Instead, the article appears to focus on Apple's response in a strained attempt to compare it to the infamous "you're holding it wrong" incident. I don't see the comparison.

TBQH, there are so many irrational Apple haters out there that I like to play devil's advocate even though I don't own any Apple products.


RE: And another...
By NicodemusMM on 10/2/2012 1:59:58 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
...strained attempt to compare...


There is no attempt needed because it's the same thing different verb. "You're holding wrong" versus "You're pointing it wrong." Basically Apple is saying that it's fine as long as you don't have a source in the general direction that the camera is facing. More of their users-are-the-problem tech support yet your focus is on the article not the issue.

You may not own any Apple products, but it seems you're certainly qualified. Ignore the issue, Attack the people reporting it.


RE: And another...
By bsd228 on 10/2/2012 2:25:23 PM , Rating: 3
> My DSLR suffers from chromatic aberration and lens flare (what appears to be the issue with the purple fringing) when taking any picture where the sun is in the frame, so I'm not sure what your point is about "photographers." Most "photographers" would tell you should avoid taking a picture with the sun in the frame unless you have a specific purpose for doing so (i.e., you want lens flare in your picture or you are taking a picture of the sun).

Purple fringing has long been a problem, particularly in compact digitals and in kit lenses shooting backlit trees. But if the sample picture provided here is a fair representation of the problem, the i5 is far worse than typical for even a digicam. That's not fringing, it's a whole halo!


RE: And another...
By poi2 on 10/2/2012 3:27:51 PM , Rating: 5
There's nothing wrong with it

you're photographing it wrong

you're looking at the picture wrong

you're holding it wrong

it's not a flaw, it's a feature camera improvements

it's sun's fault because it's too bright

The customer is always wrong


RE: And another...
By SPOOFE on 10/2/2012 5:07:05 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
My DSLR suffers from chromatic aberration and lens flare

What DSLR and what lens?


RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/2/2012 6:36:16 PM , Rating: 1
Every lens will have lens flare, some more pronounced than others. The Canon 50mm 1.8 has it pretty bad but the example image shows the worst possible situation which in a real world scenario you would never take. No photographer ever would shoot directly into the sun WITH the sun at the very edge of the frame, you WILL get lens flare, as seen in both images. This lens flare is NEVER 'wanted', photographers do not want this 'effect'. The new lens in the iphone 5 does make this more pronounced but there are tradeoffs when designing lenses. Barrel distortion, coma, chromatic abberation, sharpness, contrast, micro contrast, color representation, ability to handle lens flare, etc.. all add up to a properly designed lens. People are jumping on the bandwagon for the wrong reason here... lens flare is meaningless from a design perspective if a lens can excel in other areas.


RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 6:38:14 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how every one of you Apple nutjobs is here defending it like its not a problem... I like what Poi says above.

There's nothing wrong with it
you're photographing it wrong
you're looking at the picture wrong
you're holding it wrong
it's not a flaw, it's a feature camera improvements
it's sun's fault because it's too bright
The customer is always wrong

LOL. Apple pfapf!


RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 8:34:01 PM , Rating: 4
Yes it is about that and you know it.

"when designing a lens you have these to take into account:" ....

Agreed, and Apple blew it.

"I see people in this thread bashing apple who don't even have a iPhone 5 to actually test out themselves.. merely using a single side x side image."

There were what, 5 million iPhones sold the first weekend? This issue wasnt invented by the non-iPhone buying crowd, it was reported by people with iPhone 5's, and I hate to break it to you, it IS an issue. Those pics came from iPhone 5's and its not all directly at the sun. Whatever though, you defend anything and everything Apple does so there isnt really much point debating is there?


RE: And another...
By yomamafor1 on 10/3/2012 11:52:24 AM , Rating: 3
As an iPhone 5 user, I CAN confirm this as an issue, along with screen artifacting.

http://i.imgur.com/jZZwg.jpg

Needless to say, this phone is getting returned whenever I'm not being swamped with work.


RE: And another...
By Mint on 10/2/2012 7:33:00 PM , Rating: 3
google "iphone5 purple" and look at the images. It's not just one worst case scenario. It even happens in night shots with car lights or street lights. The problem is much worse than on any other smartphone or compact camera.

And what advantage did Apple get with this tradeoff? It's not f/2.0 like Nokia, nor does it have OIS. Oh, right. Apple wanted to have the thinnest smartphone, because the extra millimeter of other smartphones was a real headache...


RE: And another...
By mcnabney on 10/3/2012 9:28:44 AM , Rating: 3
The photo with the sun in the edge of the frame just shows the effect in an unmistakable way. The effect is called 'purple fringing' by photographers. Inferior lenses have more - good ones have almost none. The purple fringing occurs along the edge of any bright light source. That could be a candle in a dark room. In my 35 years of shooting photographs - including plenty involving flare from the sun, I have never seen so much purple fringing. If the camera is doing that, it is also layering a thick edge of purple to any light/dark contrasting edge in a photo. Might be the cheapest plastic possible (to get the device thinner, I am sure) in that camera.


RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/3/2012 11:57:11 AM , Rating: 2
If you have been shooting for 35 years you should be able to tell why this purple ghosting is occurring. The sapphire lens apple used is AR coated on BOTH sides and the internal Sony lens is also coated. These coatings are purple and the cause of these abberations are caused by internal reflections. If the sapphire lens was only coated on the outside and not the inside (or the Sony lens was not coated), this issue would not be occurring.

http://www.canonrumors.com/tech-articles/all-about...


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