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Jimihendrix-gate?  (Source: Gizmodo)
Purple haze all in my frame, iPhone 5 just don't seem the same...

“You’re holding it wrong”

It never ceases to amaze when manufacturers try to convince people that an issue with something they purchased is actually a “feature”. Apple has most recently tried to convince buyers of the iPhone 5 that the purple haze or ring around bright light sources is normal behavior.
An iPhone 5 owner named Matt Van Gastel had been speaking with Apple customer support about the purple flare problem with his iPhone 5. Gizmodo shows images highlighting the difference between photographs taken in the same setting using iPhone 5 compared to the iPhone 4. The purple haze around the sun is readily apparent in the iPhone 5 image, and the same purple discoloration shows up with any bright light source.
After going back and forth with Apple support, Van Gastel received an email back from Apple stating that their engineering team has found a solution to the problem. According to Apple, the solution is to "angle the camera away from the bright light source when taking pictures."
The email also went on to say that the purple flare noted in images provided to customer service is "normal behavior for the iPhone 5s camera."
Gizmodo reports that some photography experts believe that the purple flare problem is caused by the sapphire glass that covers the iPhone 5 camera sensor. 

Source: Gizmodo

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And another...
By Motoman on 10/2/2012 9:48:08 AM , Rating: 5 a long line of "blame the customer for our defects."

Apple people will be fine with this, because they have no opinions of anything until Apple gives them one anyway.

For the rest of us, this is simply example #eleventybillion as to why no one should ever buy an Apple product.

RE: And another...
By martyrant on 10/2/2012 10:09:28 AM , Rating: 5
According to Apple, the solution is to "angle the camera away from the bright light source when taking pictures."

Awesome. Guess they've never been photographers (or even amateur ones) before, as sometimes you cannot remove a bright light source from the frame unless you are in a studio environment, in which case the iPhone 5 would not be taking pictures in the first place...

I'm not saying that the iPhone 5 was made for photography, I'm simply saying their solution is hilarious and one that wouldn't even work in real world situations.

RE: And another...
By martyrant on 10/2/2012 10:11:08 AM , Rating: 5
Then again...most people who own Apple products don't find themselves in real world situations often (or sometimes not at all!)

RE: And another...
By aharris02 on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By inighthawki on 10/2/2012 6:17:08 PM , Rating: 2
yet completely hilarious...

RE: And another...
By Souka on 10/2/2012 6:44:25 PM , Rating: 4
In other words Apple says " you're holding it wrong "

RE: And another...
By DJ Brandon on 10/2/2012 11:37:02 PM , Rating: 2

RE: And another...
By artemicion on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
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By djdjohnson on 10/2/2012 12:36:23 PM , Rating: 5
Yes, avoiding bright light sources in your pictures is good advice. But what makes this a big deal to many people is that (1) the previous models of iPhone didn't have a problem this pronounced, (2) the problem exhibits itself even when a light source (which doesn't actually have to be that bright) is out of frame... if a bright light falls on the lens at all the problem shows up, and (3) Apple is touting the iPhone 5 as having the best camera they've ever produced.

Since the image sensor is the same as the one in the 4S, it's kind of aggravating that new, significant problems show up in a product that is supposed to be "better." Other than better low light performance, it would be hard to call this an improvement.

RE: And another...
By artemicion on 10/2/2012 12:43:24 PM , Rating: 3
I wasn't trying to say that the optics on the iPhone 5 camera were acceptable. Obviously, the iPhone 5 camera suffers from a very significant flaw.

Instead, the article appears to focus on Apple's response in a strained attempt to compare it to the infamous "you're holding it wrong" incident. I don't see the comparison.

TBQH, there are so many irrational Apple haters out there that I like to play devil's advocate even though I don't own any Apple products.

RE: And another...
By NicodemusMM on 10/2/2012 1:59:58 PM , Rating: 5
...strained attempt to compare...

There is no attempt needed because it's the same thing different verb. "You're holding wrong" versus "You're pointing it wrong." Basically Apple is saying that it's fine as long as you don't have a source in the general direction that the camera is facing. More of their users-are-the-problem tech support yet your focus is on the article not the issue.

You may not own any Apple products, but it seems you're certainly qualified. Ignore the issue, Attack the people reporting it.

RE: And another...
By bsd228 on 10/2/2012 2:25:23 PM , Rating: 3
> My DSLR suffers from chromatic aberration and lens flare (what appears to be the issue with the purple fringing) when taking any picture where the sun is in the frame, so I'm not sure what your point is about "photographers." Most "photographers" would tell you should avoid taking a picture with the sun in the frame unless you have a specific purpose for doing so (i.e., you want lens flare in your picture or you are taking a picture of the sun).

Purple fringing has long been a problem, particularly in compact digitals and in kit lenses shooting backlit trees. But if the sample picture provided here is a fair representation of the problem, the i5 is far worse than typical for even a digicam. That's not fringing, it's a whole halo!

RE: And another...
By poi2 on 10/2/2012 3:27:51 PM , Rating: 5
There's nothing wrong with it

you're photographing it wrong

you're looking at the picture wrong

you're holding it wrong

it's not a flaw, it's a feature camera improvements

it's sun's fault because it's too bright

The customer is always wrong

RE: And another...
By SPOOFE on 10/2/2012 5:07:05 PM , Rating: 3
My DSLR suffers from chromatic aberration and lens flare

What DSLR and what lens?

RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/2/2012 6:36:16 PM , Rating: 1
Every lens will have lens flare, some more pronounced than others. The Canon 50mm 1.8 has it pretty bad but the example image shows the worst possible situation which in a real world scenario you would never take. No photographer ever would shoot directly into the sun WITH the sun at the very edge of the frame, you WILL get lens flare, as seen in both images. This lens flare is NEVER 'wanted', photographers do not want this 'effect'. The new lens in the iphone 5 does make this more pronounced but there are tradeoffs when designing lenses. Barrel distortion, coma, chromatic abberation, sharpness, contrast, micro contrast, color representation, ability to handle lens flare, etc.. all add up to a properly designed lens. People are jumping on the bandwagon for the wrong reason here... lens flare is meaningless from a design perspective if a lens can excel in other areas.

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 6:38:14 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how every one of you Apple nutjobs is here defending it like its not a problem... I like what Poi says above.

There's nothing wrong with it
you're photographing it wrong
you're looking at the picture wrong
you're holding it wrong
it's not a flaw, it's a feature camera improvements
it's sun's fault because it's too bright
The customer is always wrong

LOL. Apple pfapf!

RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 8:34:01 PM , Rating: 4
Yes it is about that and you know it.

"when designing a lens you have these to take into account:" ....

Agreed, and Apple blew it.

"I see people in this thread bashing apple who don't even have a iPhone 5 to actually test out themselves.. merely using a single side x side image."

There were what, 5 million iPhones sold the first weekend? This issue wasnt invented by the non-iPhone buying crowd, it was reported by people with iPhone 5's, and I hate to break it to you, it IS an issue. Those pics came from iPhone 5's and its not all directly at the sun. Whatever though, you defend anything and everything Apple does so there isnt really much point debating is there?

RE: And another...
By yomamafor1 on 10/3/2012 11:52:24 AM , Rating: 3
As an iPhone 5 user, I CAN confirm this as an issue, along with screen artifacting.

Needless to say, this phone is getting returned whenever I'm not being swamped with work.

RE: And another...
By Mint on 10/2/2012 7:33:00 PM , Rating: 3
google "iphone5 purple" and look at the images. It's not just one worst case scenario. It even happens in night shots with car lights or street lights. The problem is much worse than on any other smartphone or compact camera.

And what advantage did Apple get with this tradeoff? It's not f/2.0 like Nokia, nor does it have OIS. Oh, right. Apple wanted to have the thinnest smartphone, because the extra millimeter of other smartphones was a real headache...

RE: And another...
By mcnabney on 10/3/2012 9:28:44 AM , Rating: 3
The photo with the sun in the edge of the frame just shows the effect in an unmistakable way. The effect is called 'purple fringing' by photographers. Inferior lenses have more - good ones have almost none. The purple fringing occurs along the edge of any bright light source. That could be a candle in a dark room. In my 35 years of shooting photographs - including plenty involving flare from the sun, I have never seen so much purple fringing. If the camera is doing that, it is also layering a thick edge of purple to any light/dark contrasting edge in a photo. Might be the cheapest plastic possible (to get the device thinner, I am sure) in that camera.

RE: And another...
By Nortel on 10/3/2012 11:57:11 AM , Rating: 2
If you have been shooting for 35 years you should be able to tell why this purple ghosting is occurring. The sapphire lens apple used is AR coated on BOTH sides and the internal Sony lens is also coated. These coatings are purple and the cause of these abberations are caused by internal reflections. If the sapphire lens was only coated on the outside and not the inside (or the Sony lens was not coated), this issue would not be occurring.

RE: And another...
By JackBurton on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By StevoLincolnite on 10/2/2012 10:20:00 AM , Rating: 2
Yet... My 12 year old "Camera" phone with it's 320x240 camera resolution doesn't have this problem.

Some of Apple's products are fantastic, however the company as a whole is an egotistical, money hungry, anti-consumer behemoth, of course they will get flack for it, who cares if it does? It's just a company.

RE: And another...
By autoboy on 10/2/2012 2:33:01 PM , Rating: 3
"It's just a company"

A company is a collection of people trying to make something so they can feed their children, send them to school, and put a roof over their head. Their investors, employees, customers, community, neighbors, city, and fans all rely on them performing well. To turn the word "company" or "corporation" into an inanimate object that you can use as a scapegoat for your problems is a useful tool for hate, but is not an accurate portrayal of what a company does for society.

RE: And another...
By SPOOFE on 10/2/2012 5:09:46 PM , Rating: 2
A company is a collection of people trying to make something so they can feed their children, send them to school, and put a roof over their head.

Yes, that's all companies. SOME companies are worse than others. Those that are worse don't get magic Oh-It's-Okay dust just because they're paying some people.

As an aside: How much of Apple's humongous cash reserves are going as bonuses to their employees?

RE: And another...
By Ringold on 10/2/2012 6:28:37 PM , Rating: 3
As an aside: How much of Apple's humongous cash reserves are going as bonuses to their employees?

Why does that even matter? If you're looking for a way Apple benefits society, then it doesn't matter where that money gets shuffled.

If it's paid out as bonuses, that's good for the employees.

If it's invested in capital expenditures, that's good for suppliers and their suppliers, etc.

If it's held as cash or cash-equivalents, the money is indirectly financing other companies loans and private credit via the banking system.

And if it does that or pays dividends, a huge majority of pension plans and private investment accounts probably hold decent stakes in Apple shares, even before this past weeks inclusion in the S&P500.

So lets keep it on their specific issues, and not veer off in to anti-corporate rhetoric thats out of touch with the real world. The fact is, Apple's expanded the economy (whether you like it or not, I know some Marxists in particular dont count any consumer luxury goods for whatever reason) by exploding markets that were either tiny or non-existant before they came along and added their secret sauce.

Anyway, Apple fans shouldn't get their feathers so ruffled, and neither should people get all furious at "the man" in the c-suite. Don't like how Apple handles its products? Then do what I do -- don't buy it.

RE: And another...
By Dr_b_ on 10/2/2012 7:45:28 PM , Rating: 2
Corporations Are People My Friend. I hope you don't disagree with Citizens United either.

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 10:36:15 AM , Rating: 4
LOL, you just have to defend Apple honor dont you? LOL. As if they deserve your loyalty. They are a company, and a particularly uncaring one at that. They do not deserve the pedestal you put them on Jack.

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By elleehswon on 10/2/2012 10:47:48 AM , Rating: 5
kinda like how you fault android and in the same breath, mention that you've never owned an android device?

pot, meet kettle.

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By Crazyeyeskillah on 10/2/2012 11:34:38 AM , Rating: 5
tony s, paid apple employee

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/2/2012 12:50:27 PM , Rating: 4
Some Fandroids on the other hand like to hurl absurd insults casually at tens of millions of Apple customers.
No, just morons like you.

RE: And another...
By tamalero on 10/2/2012 11:08:29 AM , Rating: 5
> talk common sense
>Tony Swash

The irony...

RE: And another...
By AMDftw on 10/2/2012 11:26:21 AM , Rating: 3
I laughed. All crApple lovers are drawn into the light and can't pull away from the trash in there hands. "ITS COOL" product.

RE: And another...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/2/2012 12:51:43 PM , Rating: 2

RE: And another...
By themaster08 on 10/2/2012 11:20:04 AM , Rating: 2
So what's your view on this issue then, Tony?

RE: And another...
By Rukkian on 10/2/2012 11:22:50 AM , Rating: 3
His view is to change the subject and talk about drop tests. He will not comment on flaws of apple products other than to say some other device probably has it as well.

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By Gio6518 on 10/2/2012 12:52:49 PM , Rating: 4

That is shuch a iDiotic would mean fear of Apple, when in actually Apple is the one in fear, getting crushed in sales (4th in world), and showing their fear by tring to get their competition banned...when Apple is probabally the greatest IP thief on the's some that will be going to trial that Apple stole from Samsung

•Method and apparatus for performing non-scheduled transmission in a mobile communication system for supporting an enhanced uplink data channel
•Method and apparatus for signaling control information of uplink packet data service in mobile communication system
•Audio/video device having a volume control function for an external audio reproduction unit by using volume control buttons of a remote controller and volume control method therefor
•Multimedia synchronisation method and device
•Data displaying apparatus and method
•Software keyboard system using trace of stylus on a touch screen and method for recognising key code using the same
•Apparatus for recording and reproducing digital image and speech
•Remote video transmission system

but Apple does have some great innovation such as black rectangle

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By bsd228 on 10/2/2012 2:23:29 PM , Rating: 1
> The results are pretty amazing – the iPhone takes worse photos but it certainly stacks up against a $4,000 professional camera. And, although the photos from the iPhone are significantly noisier, it has fantastic automatic metering.

Anyone that actually opens up the original images in that comparison sees how far apart they are...the iphone does not stack up at all.

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 3:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, you didnt actually expect Tony to post from a reviewer that wasnt totally Apple biased, and/or technically inept enough to prefer Apple did you?

RE: And another...
By ClownPuncher on 10/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: And another...
By nafhan on 10/2/2012 2:26:55 PM , Rating: 1
I'd be interested to hear what you think common sense is. From what I've seen in your previous posts, "common sense" could mean very nearly anything.

Your definition of common sense promises to be especially interesting in light of your definition of "imaginary faults": "any faults with Apple products".

RE: And another...
By rdhood on 10/2/2012 5:24:41 PM , Rating: 1
"The Apple Haters are the new Luddites"

Luddites? Seriously? Apple puts out a camera with SEVERE chromatic aberration... a well known phenomenon that plagued digital cameras some 10 years ago but has pretty much been fixed in most recent cameras... and you call people who criticize it "Luddites"? The Luddite is the frickin idiot at Apple who thought that severe chromatic aberration is acceptable , and released the product (FAIL). This is not an overblown issue. Chromatic aberration won't just occur when pointing at light sources (I guess iphone 5 owners don't take pictures containing sunsets, sunrises, backlit things, or night scenes), but will also fringe on anything with specular highlights.

This is a FAIL for any modern camera. In fact, only a Luddite would accept such crap.

RE: And another...
By Ringold on 10/2/2012 6:43:21 PM , Rating: 3
Luddites? Seriously?

That's hilarious, considering the iPhone was one of the last on the 4G bandwagon and still lacks NFC.

I'll give them credit for bringing *stunning* display tech to the masses and shaming other vendors in to following them along, but Apple fans are the ones closer to being some form of form-over-function variant of luddite.

But, I did see the title of the article and think "Wonder how many seconds it took for Tony Swash to see the article and go to war?" Keep it up Tony! KEEP THE FAITH!

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By vignyan on 10/2/2012 10:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
You can get a more balanced argument if you provide references for your claims. What gizmodo and others have sown was a comparison of iphone 5 with iphone 4s. The 4s did not have this problem at all. Check the referenced sites.

Now, its ok to accept that iphone 5 was one of the poorly executed products from apple. Bad maps, bad outer cover, same old os design, bad camera... hmmm... apple better shape up. I see a lot of my apple fan friends getting less attached. I may even turn them to android or windows phone 8

RE: And another...
By Camikazi on 10/2/2012 12:59:03 PM , Rating: 1
Have you taken a look at the article? They have a comparision iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 pics in almost identical place yet the 4 doesn't show the problem. I have also seen pics of someone's car with the sun not in frame yet the top edge of the pic has the purple haze so it's not just direct light.

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 6:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
"Have you taken a look at the article? They have a comparision iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 pics in almost identical place yet the 4 doesn't show the problem. I have also seen pics of someone's car with the sun not in frame yet the top edge of the pic has the purple haze so it's not just direct light."

Read the article and looked at the examples? Hell no. They are here to defend Apple and nothing else. The fact that the pictures prove the issue is worse ont he iPhone 5 means nothing. The fact that is IS NOT only in direct sunlight means nothing. All that matters is that Apple is the best, especially when it clearly isnt.

RE: And another...
By PrinceGaz on 10/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: And another...
By Brandon Hill on 10/2/2012 10:48:28 AM , Rating: 5
RE: And another...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/2/2012 10:59:59 AM , Rating: 2

RE: And another...
By jjlj on 10/2/2012 11:01:27 AM , Rating: 2
That's pretty awful. My galaxy nexus doesn't do that.

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 1:30:42 PM , Rating: 2
Neither does my GS3, and on top of it, Apple copied our Panaoramic camera mode. The nerve !

RE: And another...
By Brandon Hill on 10/2/2012 11:03:27 AM , Rating: 2
Images, not ages.

RE: And another...
By kleinma on 10/2/2012 11:09:17 AM , Rating: 3
They just figured everyone taking pictures with their super high quality camera would just send it through a shitstagram filter to lower the quality and upload it to facebook anyway, so the purple glare would actually help make the picture look worse.

RE: And another...
By drycrust3 on 10/2/2012 3:38:55 PM , Rating: 4
so the purple glare would actually help make the picture look worse.

Maybe in time this "subtlety distinctive addition" to every picture will become an Apple trademark, so everyone will know the picture was taken with an Apple product without them having to add a blatant trademark accreditation stamped over the picture that ruins ones artistic appreciation of the photographer's skill. I would expect this "subtlety distinctive element" to soon be copyrighted, patented, trademarked, etc.

RE: And another...
By Belard on 10/6/2012 6:12:46 AM , Rating: 2
Those are pretty bad... worse I've ever seen from any digital camera since the crap-cams of the 90s.

I get the feeling some workers in China are no longer with us... who knows. This is sure not a feature.

My guess: Apple doesn't want to replace 5+ Million iPhone5s. Perhaps the "factory strike" is a cover up to repair the camera issue. Hmmmm.

Think I'll be sticking with my Low-end Motorola Atrix HD ($50) which has most of the feature set of a Galaxy III, minus NFC.

RE: And another...
By rdhood on 10/2/2012 5:33:58 PM , Rating: 3
How often do you include an object as bright as the Sun in the field of vision of a photo? Whilst the purple haze is undesirable, so is pointing a precision light sensor like that in a camera such that the light of the Sun is focused directly onto it.

Ever heard of "sunrise" or "sunset"? Let me fill you in: People take pictures of them ALL THE TIME. Google has 53,600,000 images of them:

and I suspect that is a TINY FRACTION of the total number sunrises and sunsets ever taken. What other stupid excuses can I dispel for you?

RE: And another...
By masamasa on 10/2/2012 11:29:13 AM , Rating: 2
When asked an Apple representative commented, "...the purple haze is caused by global warming."

RE: And another...
By Tony Swash on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: And another...
By degobah77 on 10/2/2012 12:56:34 PM , Rating: 5
This is a tech site, not a finance site. Haven't you noticed you are the only person here quoting profits and record sales information? Everyone else is talking about the PRODUCT.

The camera has issues. That is faulty tech. It is being reported on. Apple is not the end all be all of tech. People who care about tech know this.

Are you sure you're reading and posting on the right site? Aren't there financial news sites?

RE: And another...
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 1:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
You have to agree with Tony. As a business Apple is highly profitable. However, you are right this is a tech site.

As a company, Apple is great. If you are an investor, you probably did very well with Apple.

As a consumer, you generally pay more and get less for Apple products. In the USA for iPhone its a bit different with the carrier contracts, in the USA regarding the iPhone, you pay the same and get less for going with Apple. To me, for a high end phone, you just pay too much and get too many "no's"

No Large screen
No HD video
No SD card
No Micro USB
No removable battery
No hardware options

What they do give you with the iPhone is a giant amount of wasted space on the top and the bottom. If you dont care about those items and you like extra bezel, then the iPhone is for you!

RE: And another...
By degobah77 on 10/2/2012 1:45:28 PM , Rating: 4
Right, this isn't the Wall Street Journal Online. I don't care how much the stupid company makes. It makes no difference whatsoever so I don't know why that's all this Tony guy comes back with time and time again.

Also, just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the best. It's usually quite the opposite.

I used to have a 3G, then a 3GS, and I currently own an iPad 2 3rd gen, but I am about ready to give up on this Apple thing altogether. I almost feel embarrassed owning Apple products these days, like it's one step away from buying a Justin Bieber album.

RE: And another...
By Belard on 10/6/2012 6:41:20 AM , Rating: 1
In response to your post about CONs on iPhone. Your opinions are a matter of choice. No? For the most part, most phones are too big. Motorola's new Droid M fits a 4.3" display into the body as narrow as the iPhone 4/5... it really is almost edge to edge.

No Large screen = Opinion, not that big of a deal.
No HD video = iPhone outputs HD video, no?
No NFC = Not a big deal, my new Atrix doesn't have it. Many people with SGS3 didn't know they had it until the recent ads. In 2-3 years, it'll be a required feature.

No SD card = Some care, some don't. Many HTC phones don't have this. I prefer to have it, thou :)
No Micro USB = So what? The Apple mini-port connects to USB. mUSB ports SUCK for docking and insertion with a cable period. But a concern about the new port would be "how easy to break" when its part of a $300 speaker.

No removable battery = That's about 1/3+ of Android phones. Only time I pulled my battery on my old Galaxy was beacuse the POS locked up... which I did from Day 1, about 100 times. There are trade-offs... no cover = more protection from water, but a cover hides the memory slots.
No hardware options Huh? What? Go into any Walmart, Target, Best Buy and check out all the iPod/iPhone/iPad and iPoop products out there. Then check out the Android... almost nothing.

Apple makes good products, they do something better. This purple haze is BS, and the company itself is nothing but a bunch of assholes with their "rectangle with rounded corners" - otherwise, they are company no different from MS, Google, etc.

RE: And another...
By Belard on 10/6/2012 6:52:14 AM , Rating: 2
PS: I considered these phones about a month or so ago:
iPhone 4S, SGS3, HTC ONE X.

- Apple pissed me off... scratch that.
- SGS3 = Didn't like the glossy feel of the back, nor shape. Did like the HOME button, Touch-Sense and keyboard = ho-hum, and its screen is on the dark side. Never happy with my old GS1.
- HTC One X = Good feel and size, snappy. Power button on top resulted = no sale.

Motorola Atrix HD comes out: camera is weak. Kind of old-style with hump. But feels good, bright screen. Purist version of ICS without being a Nexus phone. Like the circles. Very happy with this phone.

EX was going to buy the HTC ONE, but the lack of the SD-Slot killed that idea... so she got an Atrix HD as well. :\

Its good we have choices... what works for you, doesn't for me and visa-versa.

RE: And another...
By petrosy on 10/2/2012 7:59:12 PM , Rating: 1
Why I agree with you that its a non-issue. The reason people rag on all these iPhone issue is because people like you use to carry on like Apple shit don't stink!

News flash... it does!

RE: And another...
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/3/2012 8:17:11 AM , Rating: 2
Use to carry on? They STILL carry on...

Lens Flare
By BrgMx5 on 10/2/2012 10:45:46 AM , Rating: 3
It's impossible from just a small sample of pics to see if the flare issue is really a problem with the iPhone 5 camera.

Flare occurs in all cameras. You can minimize the effect (unless you're JJ), but a minute difference in angle will have a huge impact in your pic.

As the hole iPhone e considerably cheaper than some good lens and filters, lens flare is inevitable.

If the flare, and purple fringe, is really a design flaw with the lens, sensor, or both, only a thorough test by experts, like the guys in ( not gizmodo ) can say, until then ... it's up to the fanboys.

RE: Lens Flare
By BrgMx5 on 10/2/2012 10:55:43 AM , Rating: 5
Sorry, they already tested the camera, and it's probably, the lens coating, but not really a big issue, but it is, however, an issue, unlike apple claims.

Just for reference:

RE: Lens Flare
By euclidean on 10/2/2012 11:06:12 AM , Rating: 2
Ha...I love how he mentions "only experts like those at dp review...", and you respond with a reference to those same experts...

haha...sorry, this just made me laugh so much I had to comment.

Thank you.

RE: Lens Flare
By euclidean on 10/2/2012 11:08:32 AM , Rating: 2
This is a case where I need a delete button to remove a post...was reading the string, but not the names...ugh.

Down the hatch!

RE: Lens Flare
By nikon133 on 10/2/2012 4:55:11 PM , Rating: 2
It does. But usually not that much.

I was told somewhere - Appleinsider forums, I think - that Apple actually designed lens for iP5.

I was wondering if that info is valid. What does Apple know about designing camera lens? But then, this purple haze problem might be related, again, if statement is true...

By Anonymous Blowhard on 10/2/2012 10:12:43 AM , Rating: 4
Was not disappointed.

Thanks Shane.

By Neodude007 on 10/2/2012 10:14:59 AM , Rating: 3
You're aiming it wrong.

I've never had any issue...
By chunkymonster on 10/2/2012 12:47:17 PM , Rating: 3
...with any of the problems on my Android phones like those that are being reported on the iPhone5.

Just another reason for me to continue to support Android and buy Samsung!

By The Imir of Groofunkistan on 10/2/2012 10:59:34 AM , Rating: 2
God put the sun in the wrong place...

By jemix on 10/2/2012 11:00:39 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is correct. It is normal 'for the iPhone 5'. Think of it as 'a feature'. ;)

Purple Rain
By btc909 on 10/2/2012 1:28:49 PM , Rating: 2
So Purple Haze is normal, imperfections on the exterior case are normal. I did hear one of the LCD manufactures (Sharp) and several different companies are used for the iPhone 5 just couldn't figure out how to get the LCD right. FYI the touchscreen is no longer a separate layer sitting on top of the LCD, the touchscreen is built into the touchscreen AKA a thinner iPhone 5. Those maps, another major F'up. Hurry up and crawl back to Google Apple.

I don't have this problem
By medavid16 on 10/2/2012 6:42:10 PM , Rating: 2
I think people are getting off topic.

I just did it on my iPhone, i don't have this problem. Problem might be his phone and the "genius" person working on his phone. I mean, let's face it, people working at Apple are still people. There's always gonna be a few bad people at the front lines.

Maybe we can save the trolling for another more relevant thread.

By BifurcatedBoat on 10/2/2012 8:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
That would indeed be "normal behavior for an iPhone 5 camera". Not normal behavior for any other camera, but normal for an iPhone 5.

Blame the carriers
By vcolon on 10/2/2012 10:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
I can see it already. People blaming the carrier for a product the carrier did not manufacture. i-DIOTS are a dime a dozen.

Makes a good joke
By flamencoguy on 10/7/2012 1:14:52 AM , Rating: 2
What does iPhone 5 have in common with Jimi Hendrix?
Answer: Purple Haze.

Didn't think anyone nowadays have heard about JH

By Tony Swash on 10/3/2012 10:47:54 AM , Rating: 1
Listening to a brood of iPhobes frothing up around an imaginary fault in an Apple product is never pleasant, it reminds one all too painfully of how many of one's fellow humans set out to make themselves deliberately more obtuse than they need be.

The final word on the iPhone 5 camera comes from the uber-site for camera reviews 'dpreview' who have just posted their detailed review of the iPhone 5 camera, which is here

It starts with this observation.
Apple might not have set out to make some of the most popular cameras on the planet with its iPhone range of smartphones, but that's exactly what has happened.

The whole review is worth a read but here are it's conclusion in their entirety.

As we mentioned in the introduction to this article, the iPhone in its various iterations, has become (quite unexpectedly) one of the most popular digital cameras ever invented. We've come a long way since the craptacular 2MP obscuroscopes offered by the early models, to the point where the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 actually offer genuinely useful image quality that in favourable conditions, is hard to tell apart from the output from 'proper' cameras.

This graph shows the most popular cameras used by customers of, one of the world's largest photo sharing websites. This graph is generated from Flickr's analysis of the device ID embedded in images that are uploaded to the site.
It's important to note that smartphones don't always identify themselves in the EXIF data of their photographs, so some smartphone models are no doubt under-represented in this graph (which Flickr freely admits) but the popularity of the iPhone 4 and 4S among photographers is undeniable. 

This is great news for people like us who write about digital photography, because it signals a paradigm shift. This doesn't happen often, and it's very exciting when it does. Already, we're seeing mainstream camera manufacturers scrabbling to add connectivity to their products, and it's not just desperation that's making them do it. If the iPhone, and devices like it, have had a transformative effect on the industry it's because they've had a transformative effect on peoples' expectations of cameras, and photography. And the industry is doing what it always does - moving to fulfill a need.
The iPhone 5 is a fine mobile device, with an excellent camera. In qualititative terms it's not the best camera out there, and nor is it the best camera on a smartphone (the Nokia 808 has that honor, for now) but it offers satisfying image quality, some neat functions like auto panorama and HDR mode, and - crucially - it is supremely easy to use. It isn't much better than the iPhone 4S, as far as its photographic performance is concerned, but it isn't any worse (notwithstanding a somewhat more noticeable propensity towards lens flare). When manufacturers employ pixel-binning to achieve higher ISO settings we don't normally celebrate the fact, but in the case of the iPhone 5, it gives you greater flexibility in poor light (i.e., you might actually get a picture now, where you just wouldn't with the iPhone 4S) and the drop in quality is unnoticeable when the images are used for sharing/web display. 

We'll be taking more pictures with the iPhone 5, and doing more testing in the coming weeks. Until then, we hope you enjoy this gallery of real-world samples.

So many useless complaints
By BillyBatson on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
By TakinYourPoints on 10/2/2012 11:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
Tried it out and mine looks fine. Oh well, I guess the sky is falling anyway.


By BSMonitor on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
By Goty on 10/2/2012 9:59:55 AM , Rating: 2
^ Has no experience with the effects of saturating a CMOS sensor.

By BSMonitor on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
By BSMonitor on 10/2/12, Rating: -1
By Rukkian on 10/2/2012 11:25:00 AM , Rating: 2
Then why does the iphone 4 not have the problem?

By Commodus on 10/2/2012 12:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
Different sensor, different lens array.

Besides, I'd rather have the iPhone 5 and the risk of that flare (I haven't seen it, even with a few sun-heavy shots) than phones that take worse photos in better conditions.

By Rukkian on 10/2/2012 3:37:05 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get it, are you saying the iphone 4 takes worse pictures in better conditions, or just that you are trying to justify your purchase? This article is about the differences between the 4s and 5.

By BSMonitor on 10/3/2012 9:20:14 AM , Rating: 2
It does.. Its simply not a predictable event..

ALL smart phones have the purple haze issue given the right angles.. Noobs like every troll on this site are looking for ANYTHING to pin on Apple to fit their bias..


By Cheesew1z69 on 10/2/2012 12:55:13 PM , Rating: 4
And the camera is in....the iphone 5... how ironic...

By BSMonitor on 10/3/2012 9:24:35 AM , Rating: 1
And the Galaxy S3, and the Nokia Lumia, etc etc... Its not the camera itself, its a problem with camera lenses period..

You are just now noob enough to try and take pictures directly at the sun...

Congrats on your stupidity...

By Cheesew1z69 on 10/3/2012 1:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
And yet, people on here saying the S3 doesn't do it.

Congrats on your continued moronic, ignorant rants that you think you have a clue on...

By Cheesew1z69 on 10/3/2012 1:35:10 PM , Rating: 1
And just to prove your dumb ass wrong...

Looks like you are wrong....again...

By Cheesew1z69 on 10/3/2012 2:34:48 PM , Rating: 2
And another....

By xti on 10/3/2012 6:20:02 PM , Rating: 2
you like your own posts on FB, dont lie....

By Cheesew1z69 on 10/3/2012 7:50:12 PM , Rating: 2
And you were probably dropped on your head as a child...don't lie.

By Camikazi on 10/2/2012 1:05:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yes it's a camera issue and the camera is in the iPhone which means it IS an iPhone issue. If anything goes wrong with this particular phone then it will always be an iPhone issue since each piece is a part of the whole.

By BSMonitor on 10/3/2012 9:27:04 AM , Rating: 1
And every other camera in every other smart phone.. Just ignorant ranting noobs think there is a smart phone or any other phone in the world that can take consistent good pictures of the sun...

Good luck with that

By blzd on 10/3/2012 3:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
If it happens in other smartphones, it's not as severe and barely noticeable.

The pics with the ip5 are noticeable, 100% of the time.

I actually kind of like the purpley light everywhere, makes the pics look they've been shooped for free!

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