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Samsung accuses the latest Apple product of violating two cellular and six utility (mobile OS) patents.

As expected, Samsung Electronic Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) has filed an amendment to its patent infringement countersuit against Apple, Inc. (AAPL) in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California alleging that the iPhone 5 infringes on six of its patents.

I. Samsung Alleges iPhone 5 Infringement

Two of those patents involve the 3G UMTS standard (which Apple may be free to license at a low rate as they are FRAND standards patents).  

The other six patents are more dangerous, however, since they are utility patents and hence Samsung has no licensing obligations to Apple.  Those patents are:

Samsung claims Apple's new sixth-generation iPhone infringes on all of these patents.

II. Adding to the Existing Dispute Doesn't Necessarily Mean a Loss for Samsung

The phonemaker wants to inject its new iPhone 5 accusations into its partially-complete current case, replacing a placeholder in the original filing referring to future products.  Samsung claims, "judicial resources will be preserved" by this approach.  The decision would also benefit Samsung by allowing it to potentially achieve a rapid ban on the iPhone 5 if Judge Paul S. Grewal or other judges in the case decide in Samsung's favor.

Recall that in its previous legal loss to Apple in the same court, a jury ruled that Apple's previous iPhones did not infringe on any of these Samsung patents, while finding Samsung to infringe on virtually every Apple patent asserted.  

However, substantial questions regarding that ruling have been raised on several grounds -- notably that at least one juror had family members who were large Apple shareholders, that the jury was given a massive amount of arguments to consider in a narrow time window, and that some jury instructions appeared to have been biased towards Apple.

In that regard, Samsung's Aug. 24 loss before the jury may not necessary mirror the outcome in this second phase.

Samsung v. Apple
Samsung hopes for a better result in rount two of its Californian federal court dispute with Apple.
[Image Source: Android Authority]

Apple recently sought to triple the damages against Samsung to $3B USD on the grounds that jurors found Samsung's infringement to be willful.  Apple is also pushing the court to ban most of Samsung's Android smartphones from sale in the U.S.

Source: U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California via The Verge/SBNation [PDF]

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RE: Patents
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 3:42:18 PM , Rating: 2
" Retaliation in the courts is about the only thing Apple can do, otherwise, they will be screwed time and again by Samsung sleazy copyin"

Seriously Tony, just stop. Stop spreading your lies. I am going to go out on a limb and say that Woz is a lot smarter than you, a lot more balanced than you and knows alot more about Apple and its practices than you.

RE: Patents
By Rukkian on 10/2/2012 4:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
I am going to go out on a limb and say that Woz is a lot smarter than you

Actually, that would be a compliment (or at least not a knock at all), as Woz is a genius. That is kind of like saying you are more poor than Bill Gates.

RE: Patents
By retrospooty on 10/2/2012 4:15:24 PM , Rating: 2
I am not knocking him, I am pointing out that his repetitive argument is flawed, and that even Woz agrees.

RE: Patents
By Tony Swash on 10/3/2012 11:49:33 AM , Rating: 1
OK. So you say Samsung did not copy Apple products. Really? Either you are someone whose judgment on these matters is completely unhinged by iPhobia or you just don't see it. I think it's the former but if it's the latter can I ask when was the last time you had your eyes tested?

RE: Patents
By retrospooty on 10/3/2012 12:07:50 PM , Rating: 3
Not at all. I a saying all companies do this and always have since the dawn of commerce itself. All companies build off the succeseful ideas of others and always have. If it werent done, there would be one car company - Ford, as all companies copied thier ideas of how to mas produce a car in an economically viable fashion. Honda, BMW, GM, all copy ford.

Apple copied Palm and RIM and built on it to create the iPhone. Apple copies many things from Android and its all overlooked because ALL companies do this.

Things Apple copied from Android
- Notifications
- Over the air updates
- Widgets
- Free turn by turn navigation
- Social network integration
- Multitasking
- Drop Down Notifications
- Opening apps from the lock screen
- Custom Wallpapers
- Panoramic photos

For Apple to suddenly act as if they are above this is is a affront to commerce itself.

RE: Patents
By testerguy on 10/4/2012 10:13:32 AM , Rating: 2
None of those were invented by Android. Thus Android has no exclusive right over them (with the possible exception of Notification centre although they haven't acted on that patent yet).

You need to learn (and quickly) the difference between owning intellectual rights to something, and not owning the intellectual rights to something.

You can't copy the former, you can legally copy the latter.

RE: Patents
By retrospooty on 10/4/2012 1:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
I dont argue that Apple has masterfully manipulated the (unanimously agreed) flawed patent system and did it "legally". The point is they do copy as much if not more than other companies. And they did copy that stuff from Android. Not to say that google invented ALL of it, but teh fact is Android started outselling Apple and then Apple copied those things from Android and you know it.

"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm okay with that." -- Microsoft COO Kevin Turner

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