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According to the White House, no data was accessed or stolen from classified networks

The White House announced that it had been the victim of a cyber attack, but the hackers didn't get away with any valuable information.

According to a report from Politico, the attack was geared toward a White House Military Office computer system. However, the White House said that the attack was isolated and that it affected an "unclassified network," so no data was stolen. 

It was confirmed that the hackers were from China, and that the method for the attack was "spear phishing." This means that the hackers sent an email that contained links or download attachments that were labeled with important tags or phrases to lure in the reader. However, once they click on the links or download the attachment, malware is released into the computer system.

Just last month, it was announced that the White House is working with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and others to create an executive order to counter cyber security threats. However, many argue that an executive order isn't good enough -- they say cyber security legislation is necessary because it can offer greater consequences for hackers, give the DHS funding for cyber security workers, etc. 


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RE: Just saw this
By Decom on 10/2/2012 10:56:30 AM , Rating: 1
I'm european, let me give you a little insight into how we see American influence under both Bush/Obama >

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Obama was against gitmo and against waterboarding (he called it torture).

Waterboarding is Torture as defined by the Geneva convention.America has some neck spouting democracy and civil liberties for all when it then goes and does Gitmo and Waterboarding.Granted it probably needed to be done, but should have stayed Clasified.

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Finally, with what happened in Libya on 9/11 as well as allowing the muslim brotherhood to take over Egypt essentially destabilized the middle east and put America at risk for more terrorist attacks.


America didn't let the Muslim Brotherhood take over in Egypt. Egypt held their own democratic elections and the Muslim Brotherhood got less than 25% of the total vote.They just happened to be the most organised party at this time in history.There were nearly 50 other parties competing against them, and I believe when these other parties consolidate together the MB will be out on their ass.

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Fuel prices were quite cheap under Bush compared to how they are now. Median income was higher under Bush and despite a deficit we had the highest tax revenues in recent history under Bush thanks to a reduction on capital gains tax...things were not nearly as bad as the socialists would have you believe.


Fuel prices have nothing to do with any President in power, they are dictated through the markets, and fuel prices fluctuated under Bush from around $1.70 to over $4.

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Do you still spell Microsoft as "Micro$oft"? Fox News does provide the most accurate and complete news coverage - they cover stories that all other networks should be covering but don't.


I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this sentence.We get Fox News over here on Murdoch's Sky TV. Fox news leans so far to the right that it needs help not to fall over. With someone who has nothing to gain in your elections and by comparing both Fox and MSNBC it is clear to anyone who swings neither left/right that they exist only to bash your President and the Democratic Party. Their reporting is toxic and couldn't be farther from the truth.Granted MSNBC leans the other way, but in my opinion nowhere near as bad or as spiteful as Fox.
Fox is viewed as a laughing stock outside the states.

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Bush Spending: $4 trillion in 8 years.

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Obama Spending: $6 trillion in ~3.5 years.


Anyone who spouts these figures, particularly the Obama spending figure isn't really being honest with themselves.
Go read up your Congressional Budget Office's figures, Obama gets hammered on adding a massive amount to the deficit, however very little of the total was added under his term. You've 2 x Unfunded Wars and Unfunded Medicare to add into that figure.

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Economic stats are dismal; the unemployment rate is cited as being around 8.3% but since they do not consider people who have given up the actual figure is probably over 15%. GDP has recently fallen under 2%.


While what you say here is mostly true, you must remember that all of Europe is running zero or negative GDPs.
We have just come through the biggest recession since the 1930s and America has continued to recover faster than most nations that were impacted. Most countries would kill for your growth.

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Cutting social programs is a necessity. They have not improved the situation in the country and have only served to allow democrats to stay in positions of power. The USA is a Republic, not a communist state for socialist underachievers. If you really believe all that crap you are spewing then move to europe and enjoy being coddled by the government...while it lasts. With France adding a 75% wealth tax people are bailing on that country in droves.


I agree with you here, Social Programs need to be cut.There needs to be an incentive to get off your ass and go find work.However, being one of the wealthiest nations you need to look after the poor and unfortunate who are not in a position to help themselves.Also, not too long ago America had a tax rate above 70% for decades and I don't think you did too bad then.The French have just amended their tax rate for people earning over €800,000, hardly hitting the working class with 75%.
One other thing, this socialist nonsense i hear spouted so often on Fox and other right leaning sites, the best countries are a mix of capitalism and social, what do you think your Police/Fire Dept./Libraries/Post Office are? Just curious.


RE: Just saw this
By aharris02 on 10/2/2012 11:33:59 AM , Rating: 2
How dare you bring our Police/Fire Dept./Libraries/Post Offices into this! They're not socialist, they're Amur'can. /s.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/2/2012 11:58:48 PM , Rating: 2
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aharris02
How dare you bring our Police/Fire Dept./Libraries/Post Offices into this! They're not socialist, they're Amur'can. /s.


The labor unions they belong to are socialist establishments.

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jeffkro
Decom, way to smack him around with the facts


He could have said anything, and since you disagree with what I said but lack the mental capacity to refute any of it, you assume that what he said is "fact"...to a liberal the word "fact" means "agrees with my view".

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Decom
I believe they should be tried in civilain courts under terrorism laws.This act of holding them offshore in limbo makes America come off as hypocritical, practice what you preach and all.


No, more like it comes off as if you commit terrorists acts against America there will be hell to pay.

They are not civilians. They are not US citizens and therefore are not granted US citizens' rights. They are not lawful combatants and are not protected under the geneva convention.

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Jeffk464
US forces are bound by the Geneva Convention, end of story. At least unless the US decides to no longer be governed by it.


The US was never "governed" by the geneva convention...and the document provides guidelines of how military should deal with civilians and members of an opposing forces military.

It does not account for terrorist radicals who are neither civilians nor members of the enemy military...so it's highly debatable.

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cruisin3style
I just want to comment on the Fox News comment... Fox won a lawsuit in Florida that says it is not illegal to falsify the news ...I watched a documentary where the employees that filed the suit explained the case, it wasn't biased BS they were just trying to do their jobs and Fox wanted to cover up these reporters' findings so they wouldn't piss off or get sued by Monsanto over the bovine growth horomone.


Uhhh...now is making a decision not to report a story for fear of litigation "falsifying the news", implying that they lied about something? Fox is a business and even if they have 'evidence' they can still be sued. Maybe they decided it wasn't worth the hassle? They're not obligated to share every bit of information they have.

What you've stated here does not undermine Fox's credibility. If you or any other hater wants to link to some outright lies that Fox is perpetuating, please do so...but don't try to spin things like this into something they're not.


RE: Just saw this
By jeffkro on 10/2/2012 1:17:57 PM , Rating: 2
Decom, way to smack him around with the facts


RE: Just saw this
By NicodemusMM on 10/2/2012 1:35:40 PM , Rating: 2
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Granted MSNBC leans the other way, but in my opinion nowhere near as bad or as spiteful as Fox.


Thank you for that insight. It sent a 'thrill going up my leg.' There goes your credibility. Everything else you stated is as dust in the wind... meaningless and without substance.


RE: Just saw this
By Reclaimer77 on 10/2/2012 4:27:00 PM , Rating: 1
Since terrorists are not part of any officially recognized army from any combatant nation we were currently engaged with, the Geneva Convention doesn't apply. Sorry to burst your bubble.

The rest of your post...just garbage as well.


RE: Just saw this
By Decom on 10/2/2012 5:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
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Since terrorists are not part of any officially recognized army from any combatant nation we were currently engaged with, the Geneva Convention doesn't apply. Sorry to burst your bubble.


Eh?, where did I say it applied. I stated a fact about what the Geneva Convention classifies about torture. I then went on to say that I agreed with it being done, but should have been kept classified.
I personally don't agree with Gitmo.I believe they should be tried in civilain courts under terrorism laws.This act of holding them offshore in limbo makes America come off as hypocritical, practice what you preach and all.

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The rest of your post...just garbage as well.


Opinions are great aren't they ......


RE: Just saw this
By Jeffk464 on 10/2/2012 7:32:07 PM , Rating: 3
US forces are bound by the Geneva Convention, end of story. At least unless the US decides to no longer be governed by it.


RE: Just saw this
By Reclaimer77 on 10/3/2012 4:46:22 PM , Rating: 2
Have you ever actually READ the Geneva Convention? Stop being an idiotic leftist mouthpiece, and grow up and learn. The Geneva Convention clearly, absolutely, does not apply here when it comes to terrorists and how they are treated.

According to Article IV of the Geneva Convention,(http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm) prisoners of war are: "Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, color, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria."

It also states it applies to:

"Persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:

That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

That of carrying arms openly;

That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

So yeah, end of story Jeff.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/2/2012 11:42:07 PM , Rating: 2
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I'm european, let me give you a little insight into how we see American influence under both Bush/Obama


Don't confuse your perspective with "insight".

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Waterboarding is Torture as defined by the Geneva convention.


Do terrorists represent a nation? No. They are radicals acting on their own accord. The Geneva convention applies to prisoners of war - i.e. enemy soldiers officially recognized by a nation. It also does not apply to spies or any agents working "off the books".

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America didn't let the Muslim Brotherhood take over in Egypt.


Mumbarak was overthrown by egyptians and the US considered him an ally, but did not step in to prevent the uprising because Obama thought it was democracy springing up in Egypt all on its own. Unfortunately that's not what happened as the recent events have shown.

Hitler was also elected, BTW...that tidbit seems to slip under the radar a lot of times.

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I believe when these other parties consolidate together the MB will be out on their ass.


You vastly underestimate the anti-American AND anti-European sentiments that a large amount of these islamic extremists harbor. They overthrew Mumbarak (with Obama's blessing) and "voted" for the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization that is made up of islamic extremists.

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Fuel prices have nothing to do with any President in power, they are dictated through the markets, and fuel prices fluctuated under Bush from around $1.70 to over $4.


Fuel prices are up in America because Obama insists on forcing alternative fuels instead of giving the OK for domestic oil production. He wants to force people into hybrids and electric cars that most people do not want rather than creating a plan for a smooth transition.

The average fuel prices in the US from 2000-2008 was lower than the average under Obama, and when Bush left office fuel was under $2 per gallon and now it's nearly double (after our recovery).

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Fox news leans so far to the right that it needs help not to fall over.


You see, Europeans have always been lefties that's why you ended up with so many dicatorships throughout your history...so it makes perfect sense that someone who has fallen on their face would see moderate news reporting as "far right".

You do realize that "far right" politics would essentially be promoting anarchy and I have yet to see anyone on Fox say we should abolish government altogether and let everyone fend for themselves.

America was created as a big "fcuk you" to the european socialists who wanted (and had) totalitarian control over the people. Unfortunately for the US, we've had a disproportionate amount of liberals festering in our country who would see it become another socialist dystopia.

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With someone who has nothing to gain in your elections and by comparing both Fox and MSNBC it is clear to anyone who swings neither left/right that they exist only to bash your President and the Democratic Party.


The democratic party has been a bane to America ever since it gained traction among the lazy, unmotivated people who believe someone else should take care of them from cradle to grave.

Democrats voted against abolishing slavery.

Democrats voted against civil rights.

Democrats in governing positions breed poverty and dependence, diminished opportunity for entrepreneurs and pretty much all the crap that we were trying to get away from when we fought to establish the USA hundreds of years ago.

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Their reporting is toxic and couldn't be farther from the truth.


The truth is toxic to people who form their ideologies on a platform of lies and half-truths...but let's take an example of something recently aired on Fox. They ask why Obama did not take a break from campaigning when the US Embassy in Libya was attacked on 9/11.

No other network paid much attention to what was going on over there, instead they tried to make Romney look like the bad guy for making a strong statement (like Obama should have) about the incident.

Give me an example of a Fox news story that is an outright lie. Please. I'd love to see it.

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Granted MSNBC leans the other way, but in my opinion nowhere near as bad or as spiteful as Fox.


Yeah yeah, it's ok for the black guy to mock the white guy but if the white guy mocks a black guy he's racist. Good one.

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Fox is viewed as a laughing stock outside the states.


All that animosity you have toward Fox only affirms their effectiveness of telling you things you don't want to hear - aka the truth.

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RE: Just saw this
By Decom on 10/3/2012 7:01:49 AM , Rating: 1
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Mumbarak was overthrown by egyptians and the US considered him an ally, but did not step in to prevent the uprising because Obama thought it was democracy springing up in Egypt all on its own. Unfortunately that's not what happened as the recent events have shown. Hitler was also elected, BTW...that tidbit seems to slip under the radar a lot of times.


Egypt got it's own democratic elections and the Muslim Brotherhood came to power. You can't bemoan the fact America let the elections happen and then didn't like the outcome. Besides, the Muslim Brotherhood represents less than 25% of the electorate.AS I stated earlier, they were the most organised at the time, like all newly democratic countries things will take time to iron themselves out and then we'll hopefully see a more neutral government.When will America realise you can't be dipping your toes into whatever country you like to force outcomes. Do you really understand why these "Radical Extremists" hate the USA so much?

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Fuel prices are up in America because Obama insists on forcing alternative fuels instead of giving the OK for domestic oil production. He wants to force people into hybrids and electric cars that most people do not want rather than creating a plan for a smooth transition. The average fuel prices in the US from 2000-2008 was lower than the average under Obama, and when Bush left office fuel was under $2 per gallon and now it's nearly double (after our recovery).


It is true that Obama seems to pushing a Green agenda, but you still dodged my point of Gas prices being between $1.60 to over $4 during Bush's Presidency. You cannot blame Obama for the gas prices which are dictated by the markets. Tell me, what was George Bush doing when gas prices were over $4 ??

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You see, Europeans have always been lefties that's why you ended up with so many dicatorships throughout your history...so it makes perfect sense that someone who has fallen on their face would see moderate news reporting as "far right". You do realize that "far right" politics would essentially be promoting anarchy and I have yet to see anyone on Fox say we should abolish government altogether and let everyone fend for themselves. America was created as a big "fcuk you" to the european socialists who wanted (and had) totalitarian control over the people. Unfortunately for the US, we've had a disproportionate amount of liberals festering in our country who would see it become another socialist dystopia.


This gave me a huge chuckle, "far right" politics doesn't equate to anarchy in relation to Fox news. You talk about totalitarian control, name another country in which it costs over $1 million dollars to get a seat in the house, over $10 million to get a seat in the senate, where it costs over $1 Billion to get the presidency and where money equals free speech. Where your politicians are legally bribed through "lobbying" and where money equates to free speech.How much of those founding principles do you still think exist today when your political system is one of the most openly corrupt on the planet. Granted, America was founded with great principles to get away from British Rule, however not all Europeans are "lefties" as you so willfully tar us all with the same brush.

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The democratic party has been a bane to America ever since it gained traction among the lazy, unmotivated people who believe someone else should take care of them from cradle to grave. Democrats voted against abolishing slavery. Democrats voted against civil rights. Democrats in governing positions breed poverty and dependence, diminished opportunity for entrepreneurs and pretty much all the crap that we were trying to get away from when we fought to establish the USA hundreds of years ago.


I don't know why you're ranting at me about the Dems, however I consider myself a fiscal conservative and agree that laziness breeds laziness.

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The truth is toxic to people who form their ideologies on a platform of lies and half-truths...but let's take an example of something recently aired on Fox. They ask why Obama did not take a break from campaigning when the US Embassy in Libya was attacked on 9/11. No other network paid much attention to what was going on over there, instead they tried to make Romney look like the bad guy for making a strong statement (like Obama should have) about the incident. Give me an example of a Fox news story that is an outright lie. Please. I'd love to see it.


This was a softball question, Politifact "Lie of the Year" for 3 years running went to Fox News '09,'10,'11. Fox excels in half truths and warped ideology, they exist to smear the other side.I'm not saying that both sides don't do it, but to the outside observer Fox goes much farther and seedier with their "reporting"

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All that animosity you have toward Fox only affirms their effectiveness of telling you things you don't want to hear - aka the truth.


I don't have animosity against Fox, they don't affect me with their reporting, I'm not American. I just call Bullshit when I see Bullshit. I will say that they do report stories that none of the other networks touch on, and for this they should be congratulated, but a turd is still a turd.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/3/2012 8:19:16 PM , Rating: 2
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Egypt got it's own democratic elections and the Muslim Brotherhood came to power. You can't bemoan the fact America let the elections happen and then didn't like the outcome.


Wow, way to ignore what actually happened, bro. Mumbarak was not voted out of office, he was physically dragged out of office, beaten and killed. To say the muslim brotherhood was elected is a joke. They cast their vote for the only choice they had but they would have assumed power one way or the other.

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Do you really understand why these "Radical Extremists" hate the USA so much?


Hating people you disagree with only shows a lack of civility...and they do not like Europe much either. Don't try to act like you're on the high road.

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It is true that Obama seems to pushing a Green agenda, but you still dodged my point of Gas prices being between $1.60 to over $4 during Bush's Presidency. You cannot blame Obama for the gas prices which are dictated by the markets. Tell me, what was George Bush doing when gas prices were over $4 ??


Seems to be? No, he is. There is no uncertainty there.

I didn't dodge anything - but you are ignoring the fact that gas was lower under bush than under obama on average for the duration of their respective presidencies.

You were also incorrect about what a president can or cannot do to affect the price of gas by saying that the president has no control over the prices.

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This gave me a huge chuckle, "far right" politics doesn't equate to anarchy in relation to Fox news.


Far right political ideology DOES equate to anarchy and that was what you accused Fox of representing.

The left-wing media in this country (and our government) is already exhibiting the characteristics of a far left ideology - socialism. The media does not report on issues they should be covering, the do not ask Obama tough questions or demand accountability - they happily play along with whatever BS the whitehouse wants them to. This is propaganda. The only thing missing is a dictator who tells us he is "scaling down the size of government" when in reality he is consolidating power for himself.

Fox News provides coverage that leans right (which is NOT a bad thing) and is fairly moderate. If you perceive it to be "far right" it's not because they're anarchist, it's because you are too far left.

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You talk about totalitarian control, name another country in which it costs over $1 million dollars to get a seat in the house, over $10 million to get a seat in the senate, where it costs over $1 Billion to get the presidency and where money equals free speech.


First of all, any US citizen can run for office. It falls upon them to raise the money needed to get their message out because they are essentially ADVERTISING. Your political message, as a candidate, is competing with other messages for airtime on TV & Radio, as well as ad impressions on websites. This market determines the relative costs of running for office.

The larger your audience the more expensive it becomes to reach them...so what are you suggesting here? That anyone running for office has their expenses paid for them by taxpayers? LOL

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Where your politicians are legally bribed through "lobbying" and where money equates to free speech.


Your quip about free speech is a joke. The internet has made it incredibly easy for any m0ron with a computer to really take advantage of their 1st amendment rights AND reach a large audience. In the past the only way to be heard was to be lucky enough to be published in a newspaper OR write your own book and pay to have it distributed.

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How much of those founding principles do you still think exist today when your political system is one of the most openly corrupt on the planet.


You are right - corruption is present in our government and because our government is so large and ever-expanding that corruption has many places to hide. All the more reason to scale it down in both size and scope.

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however not all Europeans are "lefties" as you so willfully tar us


You are not making a strong case for europeans being anything other than lefties with a lot of what you're saying...in fact Obama's policies probably come across to you as being on the right.

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I don't know why you're ranting at me about the Dems, however I consider myself a fiscal conservative and agree that laziness breeds laziness.


Then I can't see you having a problem with a lot of what is said on Fox...because a lot of what they discuss is the high number of people in US relying on government handouts to continue living, and the fact that this system is stifling the economy across the board.

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Fox excels in half truths and warped ideology, they exist to smear the other side.I'm not saying that both sides don't do it, but to the outside observer Fox goes much farther and seedier with their "reporting"


You may be confusing their news reports with their primetime shows hosted by pundits...but either way, with all that seedy reporting you should have no trouble linking to a specific example of something they said that is a lie or even a 50% lie.


RE: Just saw this
By Decom on 10/4/2012 9:52:45 AM , Rating: 2
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Wow, way to ignore what actually happened, bro. Mumbarak was not voted out of office, he was physically dragged out of office, beaten and killed. To say the muslim brotherhood was elected is a joke. They cast their vote for the only choice they had but they would have assumed power one way or the other.


And you say I ignored what actually happened!!, Mubarak was forced to resign, and was then arrested and prosecuted for the killing of innocent civilians. AS for the Muslim brotherhood, they got about 30% of the seats in their House, and here's the kicker. The President Mohamed Morsi got about 25% of the vote, with only about a 45% turnout. There were a whole host of independents running this time, when things settle and the opposition realign the MB will be out on it's ass.

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Seems to be? No, he is. There is no uncertainty there. I didn't dodge anything - but you are ignoring the fact that gas was lower under bush than under obama on average for the duration of their respective presidencies. You were also incorrect about what a president can or cannot do to affect the price of gas by saying that the president has no control over the prices.


Again, a President has no affect on Oil prices, even if Obama were to "Drill Baby Drill" the Oil produced would be sold on the open market, it wouldn't have some magical influence on bringing prices down in the USA. Market forces and a conglomerate of Oil producing nations dictate the prices.Supply and demand doesn't even come into it, it's a rigged game.

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Far right political ideology DOES equate to anarchy and that was what you accused Fox of representing. The left-wing media in this country (and our government) is already exhibiting the characteristics of a far left ideology - socialism. The media does not report on issues they should be covering, the do not ask Obama tough questions or demand accountability - they happily play along with whatever BS the whitehouse wants them to. This is propaganda. The only thing missing is a dictator who tells us he is "scaling down the size of government" when in reality he is consolidating power for himself. Fox News provides coverage that leans right (which is NOT a bad thing) and is fairly moderate. If you perceive it to be "far right" it's not because they're anarchist, it's because you are too far left.


Why do you keep equating far right ideology with Anarchy?
To the outside observer Fox exists as the Media Arm of the RNC. Not once have I seen a positive story on Fox about the left. Again, they tread where others dare not and this is a good thing, politicians should be held accountable by both sides of your media, but that's where your problems lie, your "News" outlets have huge political bias. When this happens they cease to become News outlets and only mouthpieces for their respective parties.

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First of all, any US citizen can run for office. It falls upon them to raise the money needed to get their message out because they are essentially ADVERTISING. Your political message, as a candidate, is competing with other messages for airtime on TV & Radio, as well as ad impressions on websites. This market determines the relative costs of running for office. The larger your audience the more expensive it becomes to reach them...so what are you suggesting here? That anyone running for office has their expenses paid for them by taxpayers? LOL


Certainly not by the taxpayer, but campaign expenses should have a limit, without limits your Politicians have become puppets of whoever wields the most dollars.Also, by having just a two-party system it severely discourages any "US Citizen" from running. Go have alook how many independents are in the house and Senate? This goes back to my earlier point about the blatant legal corruption and bribery.
You need to get the cash out if you have any hope of reducing your ballooning deficits and getting back on the road to solvency.

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Your quip about free speech is a joke. The internet has made it incredibly easy for any m0ron with a computer to really take advantage of their 1st amendment rights AND reach a large audience. In the past the only way to be heard was to be lucky enough to be published in a newspaper OR write your own book and pay to have it distributed.


Wishful thinking comes to mind with this one.The chances of your message being heard in a sea of the Internet are fat to slim.

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You are not making a strong case for europeans being anything other than lefties with a lot of what you're saying...in fact Obama's policies probably come across to you as being on the right.


While some of Europe has gone overboard on the socialism, some countries have not. Again, I'm a fiscal conservative and
open on the social issues, were all adults right. A lot of what Obama has done could be construed as continuing with a lot of what Bush did. Continue the wars, keep Gitmo open, run up the deficit. Passing the fiscal buck onto our children is not the answer, and until the financial incentive for politicians to be there not to line their pockets, but to contribute to the good of the country, America will continue along just fine with the mess they are in.
It makes me laugh when Americans slag off Greece etc, have you looked at what your deficits are and are projected to be.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/5/2012 12:24:07 AM , Rating: 2
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Mubarak was forced to resign, and was then arrested and prosecuted for the killing of innocent civilians.


Ohhh really? So who is prosecuting him now? The same people who prosecute America for being the source of all evil and want to annihilate Israel because they're jews and not muslims? Right, you're clearly seeing this for what it is.

The fact of the matter is that you don't know what happened - you just know what you've been told, same as me...and the "reality" of your interpretation does not mesh with the reality on the ground.

But hey, believe whatever you want.

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Again, a President has no affect on Oil prices, even if Obama were to "Drill Baby Drill" the Oil produced would be sold on the open market, it wouldn't have some magical influence on bringing prices down in the USA.


Even if the oil was put on the open market rather than refined and sold directly to the US gas stations, the additional supply would have reduced prices because US and global demand has been fairly steady. Obama and most on the left WANT gas prices high so that their green energy agenda gains traction.

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Market forces and a conglomerate of Oil producing nations dictate the prices.


That's true if we're buying oil from an OPEC country but not if we're producing the oil at home. The reason we import oil is due to eccentric EPA regulations that basically say if we start drilling at home the world is going to end.

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Supply and demand doesn't even come into it, it's a rigged game.


See, you're beginning to get it but not completely. It is rigged if you import oil, but if you are producing it domestically you can give tax credits to companies to sell it locally rather than exporting it, in other words, allow them to make more profit by selling domestically via policy. Why do you think we have tariffs at all and why should oil be excluded?

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Why do you keep equating far right ideology with Anarchy?


If you're asking this question maybe you should do some research before replying. Far right implies extremism and far right extremism is anarchy. Do you know what anarchy is? It's probably not what you think...it's a type of social structure where people live in small, isolated groups and there is no semblance of any centralized government. It's still hierarchical, but more along the lines of what you'd see in the animal kingdom. Anarchy, contrary to popular belief, is not "utter chaos" - it's a lack of a governing authority.

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To the outside observer Fox exists as the Media Arm of the RNC. Not once have I seen a positive story on Fox about the left.


So we've gone from Fox being outright liars to Fox just being "mean spirited" toward the left. Honesty I cannot say much good about the left. It never leads to good for a country. European history and even world history prior to the USA being established is evidence of this fact.

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Again, they tread where others dare not and this is a good thing, politicians should be held accountable by both sides of your media, but that's where your problems lie, your "News" outlets have huge political bias.


The people on Fox are not right-wing ideologues. If Romney does bad, they acknowledge it. Look at the left's reaction to the debates last night were Obama was totally demolished.

The left-biased media is pushing reports like "Jim Leher didn't do his job" or "Bye bye big bird". This kind of nonsense is not news.

The people at Fox are people who love America; the people on the left want to reshape America into something that suits their agenda.

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When this happens they cease to become News outlets and only mouthpieces for their respective parties.


Fox does consistently invite members of the left, including political candidates themselves, to appear on air and say what they have to say. Most of them decline...and it's not because there is some bias against them at Fox, it's due to them not being able to defend their views when faced with tough questions.

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Wishful thinking comes to mind with this one.The chances of your message being heard in a sea of the Internet are fat to slim.


People often confuse the ability of their message to be heard with the fact that maybe a lot of people think their message is just idiotic.

The fact that anyone can say anything on the internet means you have to have a compelling message and sound delivery of the message to get noticed.

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While some of Europe has gone overboard on the socialism, some countries have not. Again, I'm a fiscal conservative and open on the social issues, were all adults right.

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A lot of what Obama has done could be construed as continuing with a lot of what Bush did. Continue the wars, keep Gitmo open, run up the deficit.


Bush is often maligned by the media, as it is "cool" to do to anyone who is not on the left, but he did deal with 9/11 quite well. He did fend off a major recession coming off of Clinton with the dot-com bust. He did ensure that both businesses and people were prosperous for the majority of his presidency.

What Obama failed to do is address the immediate problems facing America - instead he spent his time and energy primarily pushing Obamacare through. He said he would cut the deficit in half in 2008; he added $6 trillion to it and that number is still going up.

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It makes me laugh when Americans slag off Greece etc, have you looked at what your deficits are and are projected to be.


Most Americans don't want to end up like Greece or Spain, and we certainly do not want to become a welfare state like Sweden.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/2/2012 11:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
(other part of reply continued)

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Obama gets hammered on adding a massive amount to the deficit, however very little of the total was added under his term. You've 2 x Unfunded Wars and Unfunded Medicare to add into that figure.


What budget would the congressional budget office be reporting on? Obama has not passed a budget since he took office.

More than half of all Americans are receiving some type of government handout and incidentally the majority of our tax revenue goes to pay for these handouts. It's not defense spending that is bogging down the US economy.

The "unfunded wars" and other defense expenditures tend to account for 10% of that - wars that Obama did not discontinue, I might add, despite opposing them.

Medicare...who wants to keep medicare as it is - bloated and bankrupt? Democrats. Who spent the bulk of his term creating socialist healthcare that ends up making health insurance and healthcare in general more expensive for everyone, lowers the quality of care and taxes anyone who doesn't partake in it? Obama and the democrats..again.

It's quite obvious you'd be supporting the failure that is Obama if you were a US citizen...but you're in Europe where Obama-esque policies are graciously accepted by most.

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Europe is running zero or negative GDPs.


I wonder how many other European countries are considering a 75% wealth tax? That would surely bump up your growth. You living in Europe should know exactly why your economy is stagnant - big government, big spending and a lack of emphasis on creating opportunity for the individual.

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We have just come through the biggest recession since the 1930s and America has continued to recover faster than most nations that were impacted. Most countries would kill for your growth.


Our GDP is slowing down. We've been kicking the can down the road to give the illusion of growth but there is no substance behind it.

The truth is that until we scale down the size, scope and spending of our government and create an environment where small businesses can be established and thrive, it's going to be stagnant.

The US has shift too far left because a lot of people are desperate and buy into the false promises put forth by socialist leaders:

- Wealth redistribution.

- High taxes on investments (capital gains).

- Unending social programs that keep people down rather than giving them a way to improve their life.

- Continual erosion of civil liberties with laws like NDAA, ACTA and DMCA getting the nod by Obama.

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Also, not too long ago America had a tax rate above 70% for decades and I don't think you did too bad then.


What? You're going to have to back that 70% tax rate claim up or explain how you're arriving at the number - we've never had a rate that high on income tax or capital gains.

That aside...tax revenues increase when cap gains taxes are low because it encourages investment. Investment stimulates the economy, keeps unemployment low, personal income high and strengthens the dollar.

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One other thing, this socialist nonsense i hear spouted so often on Fox and other right leaning sites, the best countries are a mix of capitalism and social, what do you think your Police/Fire Dept./Libraries/Post Office are? Just curious.


It's not "socialist nonsense" - it's calling it like it is. Socialism is when the government gets too big and starts running peoples' lives and taking over businesses and industries. It's also a breeding ground for dictatorships.

Police, Fire and Military are basic services that the government can and should provide - private and public labor unions are examples of socialism gone awry.

The US is the best country, hands down, and it is a constitutional republic that got to where it is today due to capitalism and the idea that any individual has the OPPORTUNITY to achieve their greatest dreams. Opportunity does not mean hand-out.


RE: Just saw this
By anactoraaron on 10/3/2012 1:12:27 AM , Rating: 1
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More than half of all Americans are receiving some type of government handout and incidentally the majority of our tax revenue goes to pay for these handouts. It's not defense spending that is bogging down the US economy.


Please provide a source of this. NO I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT SINCE 47% OF PEOPLE PAY NO INCOME TAX THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING A HANDOUT. Jeesus christ. I suppose to you those freeloadin' troops that are giving their lives for you to have the freedom to post such a flaming comment should go away so to 'stimulate' your version of what the economy should be then. Arrogant prick. Who else falls into this category? OUR GREATEST GENERATION that lived though WWII and some of those 'freeloaders' fought the greatest evil we have ever seen. I am so fucking sick of hearing that comment and so many just want to repeat this stupid fucking talking point without knowing what the fuck they are talking about. Get a fucking clue you ignoramus! How DARE you say veterans 'don't pay their fair share' and that shit. That's not just anti-american, that's fucking anti-republican!

But people like you are the ones smiling and walking up to vets when you bump into them at walmart thanking them for what they do and when you turn your cheek you call them freeloaders. You are a joke. Stop doing what you are told and think for yourself. Idiot...


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/3/2012 2:26:10 AM , Rating: 1
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Please provide a source of this. NO I DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT SINCE 47% OF PEOPLE PAY NO INCOME TAX THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING A HANDOUT.


I'm not here to do research for you but since you seem to be of the "less than average" intellect variety I'll point you in the right direction.

Here is the 2010 Federal Budget:

http://www.statisticbrain.com/2010-united-states-f...

Obama has not passed a new one so this is the best we've got.

Now follow as we do this. If you look at that chart and at the very top note the amounts we spend for "unemployment / welfare" and either "medicare" or "medicaid", or both, you will see that the amount adds up to almost half or more than half of the total federal spending.

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I suppose to you those freeloadin' troops that are giving their lives for you to have the freedom to post such a flaming comment should go away so to 'stimulate' your version of what the economy should be then. Arrogant prick.


Wait, how are troops freeloading? They are technically federal employees and their job is their military duties which they are compensated for. They are not sitting around on their mom's couch posting moronic comments to dailytech via their idiotPad.

And I didn't follow how you went from Obama spending too much money to the needs of our troops. Try to stay on topic...

Should mention that in 2011 Obama did threaten to dock the pay of active military workers in order to have the debt ceiling raised. Nice of him to do that instead of...you know...passing a federal budget.

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How DARE you say veterans 'don't pay their fair share' and that shit. That's not just anti-american, that's fucking anti-republican!


LOL you're far off mark, bro. Let's cool it with the "support our troops" bandstanding; it's not appropriate here...and shouldn't you be more concerned with our current government not taking the steps necessary to allow active servicemen and women to vote in this election? Might want to check on that when you're done drooling on yourself.

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But people like you are the ones smiling and walking up to vets when you bump into them at walmart thanking them for what they do and when you turn your cheek you call them freeloaders.


If you are able to work and don't but opt to collect a check from the government each month YOU ARE A FREELOADER. This accurately describes a majority of the people receiving handouts. If a person is a veteran then they should have an innate understanding of taking care of themselves and not bilking the system. Who joins the military thinking "if i survive deployment I'm set for life"? If you're joining the military for financial gain you are a scumbag.


RE: Just saw this
By Decom on 10/3/2012 7:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
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quote: Obama gets hammered on adding a massive amount to the deficit, however very little of the total was added under his term. You've 2 x Unfunded Wars and Unfunded Medicare to add into that figure.


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What budget would the congressional budget office be reporting on? Obama has not passed a budget since he took office.


While that is true, here is a nice Graph for you to look at.I support neither Dems/Repubs,(as I'm not American), but the BS coming from both sides pisses me off.
http://www.businessinsider.com/debt-and-deficit-pr...

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I wonder how many other European countries are considering a 75% wealth tax? That would surely bump up your growth. You living in Europe should know exactly why your economy is stagnant - big government, big spending and a lack of emphasis on creating opportunity for the individual.


I'd wager not any are considering this tax rate, the French are up in arms and are already seeing capital fleeing from their banks.Again, the 75% is only above €800,000.
While this is true for some European countries, Greece,Italy Spain. It is not true for all, my country, Holland has managed to live within it's means. Tarring Europe with the same brush is a cop out.

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Our GDP is slowing down. We've been kicking the can down the road to give the illusion of growth but there is no substance behind it. The truth is that until we scale down the size, scope and spending of our government and create an environment where small businesses can be established and thrive, it's going to be stagnant. The US has shift too far left because a lot of people are desperate and buy into the false promises put forth by socialist leaders: - Wealth redistribution. - High taxes on investments (capital gains). - Unending social programs that keep people down rather than giving them a way to improve their life. - Continual erosion of civil liberties with laws like NDAA, ACTA and DMCA getting the nod by Obama.


Where was the ourage when Bush was running huge deficits? I didn't hear one Repub bemoan Wealth Redistribution etc. back then. This goes back to your politicians being bought and paid for. Your tax code is a mess, what about all the handouts for big business, loopholes here, special interest groups there. There wasn't a dickybird out of the Repubs back then.
Everything has to be cut, absolutely everything, if America wants to get it's fiscal house in order. i don't agree with raising taxes until every last dollar has been shred from programs, all programs, on both sides, and that includes your Military.

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What? You're going to have to back that 70% tax rate claim up or explain how you're arriving at the number - we've never had a rate that high on income tax or capital gains.


Again, another softball :- here you go.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafa...

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It's not "socialist nonsense" - it's calling it like it is. Socialism is when the government gets too big and starts running peoples' lives and taking over businesses and industries. It's also a breeding ground for dictatorships. Police, Fire and Military are basic services that the government can and should provide - private and public labor unions are examples of socialism gone awry. The US is the best country, hands down, and it is a constitutional republic that got to where it is today due to capitalism and the idea that any individual has the OPPORTUNITY to achieve their greatest dreams. Opportunity does not mean hand-out.


Social seems to be a dirty word in America. As I stated in a previous post, the best countries are a mix of Capitalism and Social programs. As for saying the US is the best country hands down, there are a lot of metrics which would disagree with this statement, and this opens up another huge debate for which I don't have the time right now.


RE: Just saw this
By EricMartello on 10/4/2012 1:49:50 AM , Rating: 2
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While that is true, here is a nice Graph for you to look at.I support neither Dems/Repubs,(as I'm not American), but the BS coming from both sides pisses me off.


You linked to a biased article that attempts to pin the blame for the current economic problems on Bush...you don't have to be American to be a socialist...lol...a bit of irony in my last statement.

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Again, the 75% is only above €800,000. Tarring Europe with the same brush is a cop out.


Who cares? It's a penalty on success and a bane to economic growth...raising taxes will not help and that is a fact.

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Where was the ourage when Bush was running huge deficits? I didn't hear one Repub bemoan Wealth Redistribution etc. back then.

Everything has to be cut, absolutely everything, if America wants to get it's fiscal house in order. i don't agree with raising taxes until every last dollar has been shred from programs, all programs, on both sides, and that includes your Military.


If you're citing Bush policies (second time in this response) you're probably spending too much time around Obama supporters to have a clear understanding of what's going on. How much is the deficit under Obama? $16 trillion and counting. Obama added more to the deficit than almost all of the preceding presidents in total.

Romney's plan to lower tax rates for the middle class, reduce loopholes and eliminate deductions can stimulate economic growth, get more people working and even though they are individually paying less in taxes each year, the higher number of taxpayers provides a net gain in tax revenue. Cuts need to be made as well and I you can rest assured that the left is not going to be making the necessary cuts.

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Again, another softball :- here you go.


According to this chart, and there are no citations or explanations of methodology used to indicate how the arrived at these figures or who was actually paying these rates, things got a lot better after Reagan cut the tax rate in 1981.

This was over 30 years ago, not recently, and in the 70s and early 80s the economy in America was nearly as bad as it is today, if not worse in some ways...so you're essentially making my point for me - higher taxes, especially ones targeted at successful businesses and individuals, have a detrimental effect on then economy.

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Social seems to be a dirty word in America.


No, but it is often misrepresented by the lefties. When they start talking about "social justice" it's code for "we want the government to give us more stuff".

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As I stated in a previous post, the best countries are a mix of Capitalism and Social programs.


Social programs are one thing; socialist policies and big, bloated government is another. Let's not confuse the two.

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As for saying the US is the best country hands down, there are a lot of metrics which would disagree with this statement, and this opens up another huge debate for which I don't have the time right now.


Didn't say it was perfect but you'd have to cherry-pick the 'metrics' to say America is not the best country in general. I am biased on this point, of course.


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