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Nissan also sat up an independent global advisory board

Nissan has a handful of not so happy Leaf electric vehicle owners in the state of Arizona. The hotter the environment, the less drive time an electric vehicle's batteries can offer. Nissan has been catching significant flak over allegations that the battery packs in some of its Leaf EV's in the state of Arizona are having issues. 
 
In July of 2012, Nissan dealerships in the state of Arizona started taking $5,000 off the sticker price of the electric Leaf vehicle to sell the cars. Several Leaf owners in Arizona began complaining that the electric vehicles were losing significant battery capacity due to the hot environment.
 
Leaf owner Scott Yarosh said, "When I first purchased the vehicle, I could drive to and from work on a single charge, approximately 90 miles round trip. [Now] I can drive approximately 44 miles on this without having to stop and charge."
 
I Nissan's Carla Bailo, senior VP of research and development, stepped up and addressed Leaf owners in an open letter posted to the Leaf community at the MyNissanLeaf discussion forum. According to the open letter, several Leaf EVs were inspected in Arizona and were determined to be operating to specification and the battery capacity loss over time is consistent with their usage and the operating environment. Nissan declared no defects are found in these vehicles.
 
 
The letter also states,  "A small number of Nissan Leaf owners in Arizona are experiencing a greater than average battery capacity loss due to their unique usage cycle, which includes operating mileages that are higher than average in a high-temperature environment over a short period of time."
 
It sounds like what Nissan is saying is that losing significant driving range is normal. Most owners of the Leaf EV are going to have a hard time stomaching that claim.

Nissan has also promised more open communication with owners of the Leaf EV. The company created an independent global advisory board, headed by EV advocate Chelsea Sexton to help with customer communications and advise Nissan on strategy.

Nissan has promised that the 2013 Leaf will have a longer driving range.

Source: Autoblog



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By dgingerich on 9/25/2012 11:46:33 AM , Rating: 2
a tax credit is directly to the person's pocket. Yes, they do get $7500. Even if they owe taxes otherwise, this would go toward that owed tax and pay them the remainder. Examples of this are the electric and hybrid vehicle tax credits and education tax credits. (I know this because I had education tax credits for the last three years.)

A tax write off is just a reduction of the taxable income, meaning it would be anywhere from 15 to 39% of that amount as the actual money they would have reduced on their taxes paid. Examples of this would be charitable contributions and mortgage interest.

I think you're getting these mixed up. I just wanted to clarify.


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By Spuke on 9/25/2012 12:04:53 PM , Rating: 2
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a tax credit is directly to the person's pocket. Yes, they do get $7500. Even if they owe taxes otherwise, this would go toward that owed tax and pay them the remainder.
You don't get money in your pocket from tax credits. You get a reduction in tax liability . If you owe $7500 or less in taxes, you can apply the credit towards that amount. You NEVER get ANY cash!!! This is NOT a rebate.


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By theapparition on 9/25/2012 12:22:56 PM , Rating: 2
Correct.

Deductions reduce your taxable income which then get taxed at whatever bracket you fall in.
Credits reduce your tax owed.

But as Spuke correctly pointed out, if you don't have $7500+ owed in taxes, you're not going to get all that money back.


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By FITCamaro on 9/25/2012 12:51:59 PM , Rating: 1
That's not true. The Earned Income Credit is the prime example of this. If what you're saying was true, then no one would have a negative tax liability(got back what they paid in plus FAR more).


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By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 9/25/2012 5:07:17 PM , Rating: 2
The EV tax credit never ends up with the gov't paying you anything, the best you can end up with is $0 tax liability. So, if you don't earn enough to owe the feds $7500, or you have a bunch of deductions or other credits, you may not qualify for all $7500 of the credit, and there is no carryforward either.

Guess how I know.


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By dgingerich on 9/25/2012 3:17:25 PM , Rating: 2
I wish I was wrong, honestly. I know for certain that a person getting either the electric/hybrid vehicle credit or the education credit will get that extra money in the form of a tax refund.

Take a certain person who both went to college (finishing a pre-law degree) and got an electric vehicle. Without the tax credits, he would have qualified for $813 as a tax refund. With these two credits, he got a $10,813 tax refund, and ended up with paying an actual amount to federal taxes of a whole $13 for the year. Essentially paying a tax rate of less than 0.1%. This Democrat lovin hippie (a certain cousin of mine) bragged about it for months, and about how good the government was to the people and the environment.


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By Spuke on 9/25/2012 5:19:44 PM , Rating: 3
That's not a tax CREDIT, that's a rebate. Two difference things. Sorry dude but tax credits NEVER give you cash. PERIOD!!! There ARE rebates on EV's in certain states. Look it up! The IRS's website explains how tax credits work. You can even look up how the individual credits work (some you can carry over to the following year).


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By bah12 on 9/25/2012 5:49:12 PM , Rating: 2
Regardless of which is correct, the fact is $7500 is lost in Tax revenue. Which is the point, every one of these POS cars cost the tax payer money. Be it from a refund or lost revenue, it still costs us money.


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