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Free solar charging network from Tesla will reduce range anxiety

Tesla Motors has a lot of hopes riding on its new Model S electric vehicle. The company hopes that the Model S will help it become profitable. In August, the company finished production of its first 50 vehicles and began deliveries to customers.

However, despite the excellent performance and sexy looks, one of the problems drivers have with any electric vehicle is range anxiety.
 
Drivers who might otherwise be interested in an electric vehicle become concerned that the car may run out of power before they reach their destination and often opt for a hybrid or conventional car instead of the EV due to that fear. Tesla has announced that it intends to install a revolutionary network of high-performance electric chargers around the country that it is calling the Supercharger network. The chargers will be available to Model S and other Tesla vehicle owners at no cost.
 
“Tesla’s Supercharger network is a game changer for electric vehicles, providing long distance travel that has a level of convenience equivalent to gasoline cars for all practical purposes. However, by making electric long distance travel at no cost, an impossibility for gasoline cars, Tesla is demonstrating just how fundamentally better electric transport can be,” said Elon Musk, Tesla Motors co-founder and CEO. “We are giving Model S the ability to drive almost anywhere for free on pure sunlight.”
 

Tesla Model S
 
Tesla has revealed the locations for the initial six Supercharger stations. The stations are installed throughout California and in parts of Nevada and Arizona. The electricity used to recharge Tesla vehicles using the Superchargers comes from a solar carport system installed by SolarCity. According to Tesla, using these solar installations means that there is almost zero marginal energy costs after the installation.
 
By next year, Tesla plans to install Superchargers in high-traffic corridors across the continental United States. The goal is to provide fast purely electric travel from Vancouver to San Diego, Miami to Montréal, and Los Angeles to New York according to Tesla area
 
The company will also begin installing Superchargers in Europe and Asia in the second half of 2013. Supercharger is an apt name for the new charging systems that are able to provide almost 100 kW of power to the Model S. The charging stations also have the potential to go as high as 120 kW in the future. The charging capacity is enough to allow the Model S to drive for three hours at 60 mph after 30 minutes of charging.

Source: Tesla Motors



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RE: No it won't
By Motoman on 9/25/2012 5:32:17 PM , Rating: 2
You're missing a very important point...at the time that the car was first introduced, it was clearly superior to the other option at the time...horse-drawn carriages.

Electric cars are coming into an environment where they're inferior in every way to existing cars. Honestly, they wouldn't even be on the market it it wasn't for government subsidies.

You try bringing a new product to market that's markedly worse than everything else already on the market, and see how you do...


RE: No it won't
By Pirks on 9/25/2012 6:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Electric cars are coming into an environment where they're inferior in every way to existing cars
This lie reminds me of the typical religious crap you always post in the Apple related threads here :)

Let's look at the reality and debunk some of your crap, shall we?

Advantages of EVs

1) less complexity 2) less service 3) less waste like oil changes 4) more efficiency than ICE 5) great potential for clean nuclear/solar/wind energy production, no CO2 or any other harmful emissions 6) quiet, no noise 7) more fun to drive with perfect flat torque curve 8) potential to make grid absolutely bulletproof and disaster proof with so many EV batteries connected to the grid acting as balance counterweights 9) nice backup storage of electricity for your house in case hurricane/snowstorm strikes and disrupts power lines in your area

Disadvantages

1) price

Range is not a disadvantage because I mentioned price already, and with enough money right now you can equip EV with battery that will last 300 miles easily.

So folks don't listen to clueless Motoman here, he should stay in Apple threads and entertain public there ;)


RE: No it won't
By Manch on 9/26/2012 2:44:14 AM , Rating: 2
Advantages of gasoline engines:

1)Price
2)Range
3)fill up in less than 10 min vs 30min to several hours
4) more variety of vehicles to do the job you need.
5) You buy your own car, I don't have to subsidize your purchase.
6) For the price of an EV I can buy a car and a generator for my house and still have money to fill up both of them several times
7)I can also use that vehicle to get the hell out of dodge if a storm is coming

As far as EVs and your points go:
While point 7 is purely subjective, 5, 8, & 9 are just absurd.

Range is a disadvantage bc after 300 miles you need to charge it. If theres no quick charging station near by then what? Better get a hotel. Also, look at the leaf. All kinds of issues with that one.

Seems to me that you have taken on a religious view of EV's and cannot accept that they are just not ready. Hybrids are a better solution.


RE: No it won't
By macca007 on 9/26/2012 3:23:35 AM , Rating: 1
My V8 gets way less than 300 miles.
Lucky if I get 350km out of a tank honestly.
This range bullshit is rediculous, Most people will be lucky if they do 100km both ways to and from work. Plug in at home and charge it overnight it is more than enough.
Also others saying they need it to drive on long holiday trips and such, Why? When now airline tickets are so cheap you would be absolutely crazy to waste money on fuel driving there and wasting a day or 2 of your holidays getting there and feeling tired on arrival.
Personally I cant fkn wait to swap over to an electric car(performance version of course) when the price comes down,Range is not an issue will be just as good as what I have now. Also rather have electric car in front not giving me cancer from their 20 year old cars exhaust that hasn't ever been serviced. And before anyone says but the electricity comes from coal power and other polluting sources, Yes it does but it sure as hell is way more efficient and cleaner than burning oil.
As for servicing an electric car compared to my V8, Another winner for electrics. It would be funny, You book your electric car in for a service they are like ummm yeah we checked your tyres and refilled your windscreen washer fluid that will be $20 thanks. lol
My car is like $500 for a standard service, That's if I am lucky and no other issues! Amount of money on my car wasted in last 10 years would have probably covered 1/5 the price of the cheapest electric car on market already.
Give it time folks,They have to start somewhere. No more reliance on foreign oil and prices is also another good thing no matter which country you are presently in.


RE: No it won't
By Manch on 9/26/2012 10:13:58 AM , Rating: 2
1/5 of a NIssan Leaf ($35250)which is the cheapest electric car I believe comes out to $705 a year in maintenance costs.

I don't know what kind of car you drive but lets say:

12000 miles a year
oil change every 3k/7qts/$5 a quart your yearly bill would be $140
oil/air filters would cost you $80 yearly.
Tires rated for 35K means you would be bout halfway thru your 3rd set that you would have had to buy. @ $175 a tire that would average to $210 a year.

$60 a year for windshield wipers

$100 for incidentals

This totals to $590. Tese prices are what you would pay at an autozone, tirerack etc, so you complaining about 705$ a year?

Your std service fee of $500 seems like Bull$h!t to me. Plus the rest of your argument is nothing but hype, hyperbole, and hope it wills.


RE: No it won't
By macca007 on 9/27/2012 3:06:16 AM , Rating: 1
$700 a year to service a modified V8? heh what planet are you on, A clutch alone is 2k. Gone through 3 of those so far. And numerous other mechanical issues that I would not have from an electric car.
$175 a tyre? LOL ummm NOOOO my life is worth more than that try AU$450 and those are just average performance tyres not the top ones that pro car enthusiasts have.
$500 IS correct for a service I don't drive some cheap shitbox and I always get everything done even if it isn't really needed for a few more services, Are you in America or something where cars are rediculously cheap? lucky bastards.
Nissan leaf 35k? you must be as it starts at AU$51k where I am! yeah that's right $51k for that tiny car. Chevy volt is even worse it is about AU$60k, I would have really considered buying one if it was below $45k but at AU60k no hope. We don't even get any incentives here to buy these cars like you lot over there.
Like I said PRICES are main concern for some of us not range, Range is least of my concerns as pretty much any new car electric or ICE will be better than what I have now thanks to new technology. Even with more added power these new cars do better in fuel consumption!
You can laugh all you like but wait and see in another 20 years, Electric cars are here to stay and will only get better and cheaper.


RE: No it won't
By Schrag4 on 9/27/2012 1:56:46 PM , Rating: 2
Did I misunderstand your 2 longwinded posts? You seem to suggest that the only alternative to the Nissan Leaf is a suped-up modified V8 with huge expensive tires. You do realize there are gasoline-powered options out there for about 1/4 the initial and maintenance costs, right?


RE: No it won't
By Pirks on 9/26/2012 3:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
1) range is same as price (more price more range problem solved :P)
2) fill up time matters only for cab drivers, the rest will recharge at night
3) variety is not an issue with more and more manufacturers switching to EV every year
4) you buy your EV car too, no need to subsidize it
5) for the price of EV blah blah see price above, the ONLY real argument
6) you can also use EV to get hell out of dodge

no real sound arguments from you besides price. just as expected. and I didn't say EVs are ready for EVERYONE as of TODAY.


RE: No it won't
By Manch on 9/27/2012 5:31:05 AM , Rating: 2
Whether you pay 2K or 50K for a ice vehicle, range is about the same. Again a 5min fillup extends that. YOu can not do that with an EV.

All EVs are subsidized by tax payers, so no. If you buy an EV, everyone elses tax helps pay for it.

Yeah you can pay more to get more range, but spec a similar ice vehicle and the price is far less leaving you plenty of money to fill up.

You didn't address hauling capacity. The more you carry, the less distance you can travel. While this is true for ice vehicles, again 5min fillup.

More and more manufacturers are making EV's but do you see any trucks? SUV? Nope, because of RANGE.
EVs aren't ready. It's the batteries. Until they can resolve capacity and recharge rates, it will continue to be so.

Hybrids are a better solution. None of the range anxiety, prices are within reason for the most part.


RE: No it won't
By slunkius on 9/26/2012 1:01:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
at the time that the car was first introduced, it was clearly superior to the other option at the time...horse-drawn carriages


pure lie. when cars were introduced, the were not as reliable as horses, riding a horse was faster than a car, several horses could draw heavier loads than cars, and car was expensive toys for the wealthy. cars overcame these, so give time to electric and we chall see


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