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SBB is reportedly looking to make a deal with Apple, where the railway company will likely seek a licensing fee

They say "what goes around, comes around" -- and it looks like Apple is finally getting a dose of its own medicine in the patent infringement department.

A railway company in Switzerland, called Swiss Federal Railways (SBB), has accused Apple of copying its clock design for iOS 6. SBB said its company created that clock design back in 1944, and that Apple's new iOS 6 clock app is identical. See for yourself:

[Image Source: Cult of Mac]

"We are proud that this icon of clock design is being used by a globally successful company," said Reto Kormann, SBB spokesperson. "We've approached Apple and told them that the rights for this clock belong to us."

SBB is reportedly looking to make a deal with Apple, where the railway company will likely seek a licensing fee.

Apple just released iOS 6 two days ago, and also launched its iPhone 5 in eight countries today.

SBB's move against Apple comes at an interesting time. After a 1+ year-long battle with Samsung over smartphone/tablet patent infringement lawsuits around the globe, a U.S. jury found Samsung guilty of copying the iPhone/iPad for its Galaxy line. Not only was Samsung ordered to pay $1.05 billion USD in damages, but a court date on December 6 may lead to more product bans for the South Korean electronics maker. Apple is also looking to boost that $1.05 billion fine to $3 billion.

Source: Cult of Mac

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By p05esto on 9/21/2012 12:42:25 PM , Rating: 1
People, stop buying Apple crap already! I'm so sick of every other news article about crappy, overpriced and underpowered DRM laden Apple products.

This post has nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. Clock? wtf?

RE: people
By michael2k on 9/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
My HTC One X pisses all over the iPhone 5.

I couldn't give a shit what you think. The reality is that the iPhone 5 is wank.

The only person you're fooling these days, is yourself.

RE: people
By semiconshawn on 9/21/2012 4:08:06 PM , Rating: 1
Your phone pisses? You should take it back. Or do all HTC phones leak urine?

RE: people
By Hexus on 9/24/2012 12:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
Voting up because I chuckled.

RE: people
By ipay on 9/24/2012 5:11:17 PM , Rating: 4
Commenting canceled your vote. I chuckled.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2012 6:24:58 AM , Rating: 2
The reality is that the iPhone 5 is wank.

While on the subject of wanking and holding your phone with one hand - what do you think of this video by Android Authority showing a test comparing the ability of an iPhone 5 and a Samsung Galaxy S3 to survive being dropped. I guess the dude doing the test wasn't holding the phones right when he dropped them.

RE: people
By Xplorer4x4 on 9/22/2012 1:44:25 PM , Rating: 3
I mostly lurk here, but I read enough comments to know I am totally wasting my time it goes..

As the most popular comment points out, the video is worthless. The guy slowly brings the iPhone out of his pocket and just drops it. He jerks the S3 out of his pocket and practically tosses it. Sure the iPhone 5 held up well, but but what do you expect in such a weak drop test.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Solandri on 9/22/2012 3:16:39 PM , Rating: 3
Phones aren't symmetric. A comprehensive drop test would drop phones at all possible impact angles and rotational velocities from different heights. Clearly this is impractical (you'd destroy most of the production run of all phones just conducting your drop tests).

Consequently, the best you can do is measure the breakage rate of phones which are in users' hands. Presumably, across hundreds of millions of users, the average way they treat any phone is the same. So everything being equal you'd see the same drop rate and breakage rate. If a greater percentage of one model of phone breaks in users' hands due to drops, then that's an indicator of a weaker design. Unfortunately, I don't think any manufacturer releases these types of figures.

That said, there are design features you can add to reduce the chance of damage upon dropping. The biggest and simplest is rounded corners. They reduce the stresses imparted onto the material from an impact onto the corner. Consequently they are a functional design element, and ineligible for protection under U.S. design patent law. Which makes it almost a foregone conclusion that the phone design patent Apple used to win against Samsung will be declared invalid.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Mint on 9/22/2012 5:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
A single drop test cannot prove that. That you believe it does only speaks to how much Apple has brainwashed you.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: -1
RE: people
By Xplorer4x4 on 9/23/2012 11:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
Faster? Maybe for now, but what are you left to boast about in a month, or so, when an Android phone surpasses it? What about a year from now when many Androids can probably blow it away?

Tougher? So comparing the iPhone 5 to the SGS 3 makes it definitive? What if the iPhone 5 is compared to the Droid Razr and the Razr wins, overall, based on it's Kevlar back?

RE: people
By PrinceGaz on 9/22/2012 3:06:00 PM , Rating: 3
Strictly speaking, the way the phone was pulled out of the pocket in the first test isn't that important as the additional lateral motion and rotation is insignificant compared with the velocity when it first impacts the ground, which is similar in both instances.

The second test is the bad one, as it is clear he drops the iPhone from quite a bit lower than the S3-- you can tell that easily from where his hand is over his t-shirt logo. He drops the iPhone from what he says is 4', which is the height in the middle of the 'Android Authority' logo on his t-shirt that he previously indicated he would do. That happens at about 2m10s in the video.

At 2m55 he drops the S3 but if you look carefully, it isn't released until it is level with the neck-line at the front of his t-shirt which is about 6 inches higher than the height the iPhone was released from. That difference is anything but insignificant, unlike his first drop test.

The reason for doing the drop test to a hard surface from three heights in the 3' to 5'6" range is because that is about the limit of what the devices can take without shattering the screen, and dropping one from 4' and the other from 4'6" pretty much invalidates everything.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/2012 4:42:30 PM , Rating: 1
I get your point, you think the dude doing the test wasn't holding the phones right when he dropped them.

The iPhone is still obviously tougher and more durable (as well as considerably faster) than the Samsung Galaxy S3 whatever way you hold it.

RE: people
By Camikazi on 9/26/2012 10:44:05 AM , Rating: 2
No the point he is making is that the guy testing the phones is not testing them equally. You can't get any valid results when the tests are not done in equal (or near equal) conditions.

RE: people
By Jeffk464 on 9/22/2012 8:14:04 PM , Rating: 2
I imagine the results would change from drop to drop. How the phone actually hit would have a big influence in the results. I dropped my galaxy nexus maybe 5 feet and it damaged the plastic case but the screen and everything still works. Plastic crunches, gauges, etc, but that's absorbing some of the impact.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/23/12, Rating: 0
RE: people
By weskurtz0081 on 9/24/2012 9:18:39 AM , Rating: 2
I does look like Apple finally made a phone that durable (at least by smart phone standards).... bravo! That's honestly one of the main reasons I never went back to an iPhone... they were so damned easy to break. If I were Samsung though, I wouldn't be too worried, people clearly don't buy phone based on durability otherwise the iPhone 4 and 4S (not to mention the other iPhones) wouldn't have sold so well.

RE: people
By michael2k on 9/24/2012 9:30:16 AM , Rating: 2
Not according to Anandtech:

But don't let real hard numbers get in the way of your own personal feelings. I know I wouldn't like it if my 5 month old phone had crappy performance and image quality.

RE: people
By web2dot0 on 9/21/2012 3:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand your anger.

Let the market speak for itself. Isn't that what every American wants? Free will? If someone decides to spend $200 on a pair of jeans, are you going to stop them from buying it?

You don't like it, don't buy'em, but it's up to the market to decide whether the product is viable product. Thus far, Apple have done pretty well, so what's your gripe?

You want to government or somebody tell you what to buy no? Can't have it both ways.

RE: people
By dark matter on 9/21/2012 3:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
You tell that to Apple. Let the market decide.

But Apple doesn't want that. Because what they offer is wank. And the only reason people queue up for it is because other people are queuing.

Why do you think they try and ban their competitors.

It's hardly letting the "market" or the "people" decide is it.

And don't give me that shit about people copying Apple. Especially not on this article.


RE: people
By semiconshawn on 9/21/2012 4:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
Wank, Wanker ?? Is that even a word?

RE: people
By spread on 9/21/2012 4:21:57 PM , Rating: 3
Bloody hell, quit being such a ponce.

RE: people
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/21/2012 4:23:40 PM , Rating: 1
RE: people
By michael2k on 9/24/2012 9:35:33 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason people queue up for it is because Apple has a 5 year track record of quality. Your One X, by HTC, doesn't. Apple has been providing multiple-year OS updates now since day one, has offered superior battery life from day one (compared to other full screen high performance phones; it sucked compared to a Blackberry), beat the GPU performance of competitors for the last three years running, has offered competitive CPU performance for the last three years running, and also generally looks better too.

What you don't understand about the market is that copying IP is actually illegal; Apple copying the SBB railway clock is also illegal and should result in fines and change or a license.

The same sword cuts both ways here; Apple can't escape the same laws that it's using against Sasmsung.

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/22/12, Rating: 0
RE: people
By Decom on 9/23/2012 12:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
When you say underpowered do mean because of test results like this?

Or maybe because of results like these :-

RE: people
By Tony Swash on 9/23/2012 1:21:42 PM , Rating: 2
So how exactly do those results show that the iPhone 5 is 'underpowered'?

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