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But it's unclear if ditching WinPhone would fix Nokia's deep issues

Magnus Rehle, a senior partner at telecom advising firm Greenwich Consulting, tells Reuters in an interview, "Elop has not been able to attract customers and that is what counts. You can say that he has not had enough time, but he has been there for two years. Time is up."

He's referring to Nokia Oyj. (HEX:NOK1V) CEO Stephen Elop, the former Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) executive who now leads the embattled Finnish phonemaker.

Patience with Mr. Elop is wearing thin among investors.  Danske Invest Finnish Equity Fund is one large Nokia shareholder.  Juha Varis one of the fund's members comments, "The Christmas season is a lost cause. For Nokia, if there is any chance, it will be Spring.  The beginning of next year may be the final judgment. I think that maybe the end of the first quarter is the marking point."

Nordea analyst Sami Sarkamies comments, "He has been making some brave decisions and courage is something this company has lacked for a long time before Elop joined.  His starting point was really weak and it's hard to say someone else would have done a better job."

Stephen Elop
Nokia CEO Stephen Elop [Image Source: Mark Vlander/Getty Images]

But Reuters reports that even Mr. Sakarmies views Q1/Q2 2013 as the point at which Nokia must turn the quarter or show Mr. Elop the door.

Nokia's failures are correlated to Microsoft's Windows Phone platform, but responsibility for causation doesn't necessarily rest on the shoulders of Mr. Elop's decision to go Windows Phone.  Rather, it was arguably from making the decision to early (perhaps) and taking a bizarrely long time to get Windows Phone product to market.

Now Nokia's Windows Phone 8 lineup is facing stiff competition from HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) and Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (KSC:005930) who previously had paid little interest to the platform.  At the same time Apple, Inc. (AAPL) and Samsung's Android lineup are consistently outselling Nokia's Lumia Windows Phones.

The question is what should Nokia do?  Some like Mr. Rehle believe Nokia should ditch Windows Phone and use Android.  A switch to Android would certainly lower costs, but at a price.  First, Nokia would lose its payments from Microsoft.  Second, abandoning Microsoft for Google Inc.'s (GOOG) open source OS could lead to some big legal risks, given Apple and Microsoft's aggressive litigation history (Nokia does have a cross-licensing deal with Apple, but its exact scope is unclear).

Android statues
Some investors want Nokia to jump ship to Android. [Image Source: AndroidModo]

On the other hand, with Samsung and HTC on the verge of fleeing to Windows Phone, if Nokia stays, it could find itself being shown up in a market it was groomed by Microsoft to be the star of.

Source: Reuters



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RE: Huh?
By Mitch101 on 9/20/2012 10:28:43 AM , Rating: 3
It really is much deeper than the rectangle and expanding portfolio.

Google did not support Samsung in the case and was nowhere to be found except if you count the lame sorry it gave after judgement was handed down. It left a bad taste in many Android manufacturers that Google is not doing enough to protect the manufacturers of Android devices. This is part of the reason Microsoft works with the vendors to prevent such lawsuits. Google has not.

Read more international sites the manufacturers of Android devices are not happy about this one bit. Some are even looking at creating one offs like Amazon did with the kindle but an easier route is to use Windows Phone OS.

Google should be cross licensing with Apple to prevent these kind of lawsuits and they failed to do so instead blaming the patent system which is the real problem but isn't going to fix the current issues. Google also opted out of the large patent portfolio purchase a while back from whom I cant recall the name and they tried to claim they weren't invited then Microsoft outed them with the e-mail trail showing Google was invited but Google arrogance again. Google realizing they made a huge mistake grabbed Motorola mobile. But its not enough to protect them. They need to start making cross license deals or they are going to be forced to pay more royalties to everyone else or face lawsuits.

This lawsuit is just the beginning as you can see its growing and including more and more devices. You see many other companies looking at making Microsoft devices because they need a plan B its not 100% safe to make an Android device.

Samsung was mad going into the lawsuit without Google backing thats when they started looking at alternatives if things went like they did. This is also a warning shot to Google saying your not the only choice in town and to get your act together. Samsung made Android they can help to make Windows Phone an option too.

Microsoft is a lot more relevant than going with their own OS which has limited apps Microsoft is also the no lawsuit option with a 100k+ app market and growing.

You watch Apples lawsuits are going to spread and they are going to leverage this win with Samsung to every other carrier.


RE: Huh?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/20/2012 12:37:23 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not surprised that such a wildy innacurate and dishonest slant on these events come from Mitch, a known Windows Phone homer.

First off Apple was legally granted these patents. Yes, they are absurd. Yes, they shouldn't have been. But in the eyes of the law and that court, Samsung "willfully" inferinged. You cannot blame Google for not "coming to Samsung's defense" more. Hello? Google didn't design the Galaxy line of phones!

On the software side of things, ooops, there's another tidbit of facts that defeat Mitch's arguments. Where Samsung got in trouble on the software patents was NOT because of a stock Android UI. It was their own Samsung "Touch Wiz" proprietary UI scheme that was found to infringe on Apple's bs "patents".

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Google should be cross licensing with Apple


This is how a child views the world. Apple started this legal campaign. We have NO evidence to suggest that Apple contacted Google first to discuss a cross-licensing deal.

Also, and again, this would DO NOTHING to protect Android hardware vendors who are accused of violating Apple's "trade dress" and hardware design patents. Hello?

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Read more international sites the manufacturers of Android devices are not happy about this one bit.


Unsupported hearsay argument based on rumors.

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Google realizing they made a huge mistake grabbed Motorola mobile


Conjecture.

All in all this is one horribly biased, untruthful, and altogether laughable attempt on Mitch's part. There's so much flat out wrong, made up, or just outright lies that I barely touched on them. But most disturbing is that after all this time, Mitch still can't grasp the difference between hardware and software design patents, and that Google doesn't make phones just an OS.


RE: Huh?
By Kepler on 9/20/2012 12:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
How is Google supposed to defend against the manufacturers' own modifications to their OS? I don't see why Google should waste their time with these frivolous suits. Samsung knew 100% that they were going to appeal this ruling before the case even started. No need for Google to get their hands tied up in it.

As far as I can tell, Google is suing Apple with their MotoMobile patents, hopefully to squelch future lawsuits against anyone -- putting much needed fear in Apple's eyes.


"Google fired a shot heard 'round the world, and now a second American company has answered the call to defend the rights of the Chinese people." -- Rep. Christopher H. Smith (R-N.J.)














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