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Ford bests Toyota in hybrid efficiency

Ford has announced that the official EPA fuel efficiency numbers are in for its new midsize 2013 Fusion Hybrid. The Fusion Hybrid is now the most fuel-efficient midsize sedan in the country with an EPA rating of 47 mpg in the city, 47 mpg on the highway, and 47 mpg combined.
 
Those numbers top the Toyota Camry Hybrid by eight mpg on the highway and 4 mpg in the city. Ford continues to utilize efficient gasoline engines, electric motors, and lithium-ion batteries to allow its hybrid vehicles to achieve the same fuel efficiency on the highway as they're able to achieve in the city.

The EPA numbers surpassed Ford's previous estimates.
 
“The new Fusion is part of our plan to offer vehicles with the very best quality, fuel efficiency, safety, smart design and value,” says Alan Mulally, Ford president and CEO. “We are absolutely committed to class-leading fuel efficiency as a reason to buy Ford vehicles, with customers able to choose the fuel-efficient powertrain that best fits their lifestyle.”

 
The 2013 Fusion Hybrid is capable of traveling up to 62 mph on electricity alone. The car also has Active Grill Shutters to make the car more aerodynamic at highway speeds to help improve fuel efficiency. The hybrid also has an underbody with an aerodynamically designed panel to help improve fuel efficiency even further.
 
“Fusion is a driver’s car,” said Raj Nair, group vice president of Product Development. “We have carefully tuned this car to reward the driving expert and flatter the novice.”
 

Ford will offer four different versions of the 2013 Fusion. The vehicle will be offered with a 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine rated for 29 mpg combined. A two-liter EcoBoost engine is available with 26 mpg combined. The 2.5-liter version of the vehicle is rated for 26 mpg combined. The plug-in hybrid version of the Fusion, called the Energi is rated for over 100 MPGe.

Source: Ford



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And the cost ?
By Dr of crap on 9/18/2012 8:26:27 AM , Rating: -1
With this statement -
"The 2013 Fusion Hybrid is capable of traveling up to 62 mph on electricity alone."

WHY would you buy a Volt with that statement?
I'm guessing this car isn't over $40,000?




RE: And the cost ?
By GreenEnvt on 9/18/2012 8:38:27 AM , Rating: 4
Well the range would be important. It says it can get upto 62mph on electricity on it's own, but it might only be able to travel 2 miles on electricity.

Volt can go past 62mph too, and has a 40+ mile range on electricity.


RE: And the cost ?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/18/2012 8:38:32 AM , Rating: 2
Price configurator is here:

http://bp3.ford.com/2013-Ford-Fusion#/

Preliminary base price for the Fusion Hybrid is $27,200. I priced one out with leather and 18" alloys, and Navigation for $32,180.


RE: And the cost ?
By stimudent on 9/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: And the cost ?
By Targon on 9/18/2012 9:08:17 AM , Rating: 2
Everything is relative, so 47/47 using regular gasoline is fairly good. Keep in mind that you also need to compare the horsepower to fuel economy numbers. Sure, you could find a sub-compact car with 100 horsepower engine that gets better fuel economy, but you may as well put a key in the back that you turn before getting in to show others that the car is underpowered.


RE: And the cost ?
By Dr of crap on 9/18/12, Rating: 0
RE: And the cost ?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/18/2012 9:53:06 AM , Rating: 4
God you're stupid.


RE: And the cost ?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/18/2012 9:56:13 AM , Rating: 4
I think you meant to say he's in the 47% ;)


RE: And the cost ?
By Reclaimer77 on 9/18/2012 10:22:29 AM , Rating: 3
LMAO yeah, amazing what passes for a "controversy" when the media is carrying the water for one candidate over the other.


RE: And the cost ?
By Spuke on 9/18/2012 11:33:15 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Preliminary base price for the Fusion Hybrid is $27,200. I priced one out with leather and 18" alloys, and Navigation for $32,180.
Wow, not bad at all.


RE: And the cost ?
By BSMonitor on 9/19/2012 9:29:20 AM , Rating: 2
LMAO, We BUILT THAT.


RE: And the cost ?
By Masospaghetti on 9/18/2012 9:59:53 AM , Rating: 3
For once, Reclaimer, I agree with you!


RE: And the cost ?
By Dr of crap on 9/18/2012 10:55:01 AM , Rating: 2
Look in the mirror much?


RE: And the cost ?
By FITCamaro on 9/18/2012 4:05:05 PM , Rating: 2
When its a two way mirror and you're on the other side, yes.


RE: And the cost ?
By FITCamaro on 9/18/2012 4:01:55 PM , Rating: 2
BECAUSE I WANT IT!

And as the buying consumer, my opinion matters in my purchase. Not yours.


RE: And the cost ?
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 9/18/2012 9:11:04 AM , Rating: 3
Derp! What other midsize (nearly full-size) sedan do you know of that's available in the U.S. that gets anywhere close to that kind of mileage?

The midsize car that I currently drive has 274hp, but only get 22/33.


RE: And the cost ?
By GotDiesel on 9/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: And the cost ?
By Spuke on 9/18/2012 1:50:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
my 2001 is still giving close to 50 mpg..
What's the EPA rating on your 2001 so we can compare apples to apples?

LMFAO


RE: And the cost ?
By Masospaghetti on 9/18/2012 2:39:24 PM , Rating: 2
2001 Jetta TDI Automatic 29/40 mpg
source: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?acti...

18 MPG city difference.

Fusion: 1
GotDiesel: 0


RE: And the cost ?
By FITCamaro on 9/18/2012 4:04:23 PM , Rating: 3
And the manual?

Diesel mileage has absolutely gone down in the past 10 years thanks the sky high emissions standards.


RE: And the cost ?
By Spuke on 9/18/2012 5:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
35/44 for the manual. Substantial difference between it and the auto (4 speed auto apparently).


RE: And the cost ?
By Samus on 9/18/2012 8:23:41 PM , Rating: 2
diesel maintenance is about 4x as much as petrol engines:

-constant fuel treatment/specialized oil changes (most places don't service diesel engines, including Jiffy Lube)
-fuel filters every 20k
-timing belts every 50k (they say you can go 60k but why risk $3000 damage?)
-injectors every 60k
-turbo rebuilds every 100k
-exhaust system/catalysts every 100k
-diesel torque/heavy foot drivers will quickly burn out clutches in 60-70k

now lets look at drivability:

-terrible with automatic transmissions unless bi-turbo
-manual transmissions are equiped with dual-mass flywheels (pretty much no sportyness there and very slow revs)
-you run out of revs at 4000rpm
-fuel is hard to find, generally low quality and meant for truck engines, and almost always more expensive than petrol
-poor cold weather performance
-sometimes need engine block heater to start vehicle

and finally:

Diesel vehicles only widespread available from VW (not well known for their reliability in the United States) at a 30% premium over petrol counterparts.

However, I'll chime in, that IF I were considering a VW, I would get a diesel, but thats because I'm familiar with diesel engines, have a heated garage to park in, and have most of the specialized tools to maintain them. Others will end up spending thousands a year at a dealer for general maintenance.


RE: And the cost ?
By GotDiesel on 9/18/2012 8:43:52 PM , Rating: 1

I don't know what vehicle your talking about but it's not a jetta..

fuel filter every 100k miles.
timing belt every 100k miles
oil every 10k miles
injectors ? LOL.. i'm on the original set
turbo rebuild ? nope working just fine at 245k miles
catalyist.. nope still fine at 245k
clutch.. nope original
cold weather.. works just fine here in northern Colorado
run out of revs... don't need revs, have torque..
3000 rpm is about 85 mph.. what speed do you drive at ?
and finally.. reliable.. very.. the only problem I had since 2001 is 3 batteries.. in 11 years..

I think you are talking about a 1970's American diesel
not a modern diesel.. dude...


RE: And the cost ?
By Spuke on 9/19/2012 12:41:37 PM , Rating: 2
What car IS he talking about? My truck doesn't even require all that. Fuel filters and oil changes are the most common maintenance. Fuel injector maintenance? Never heard of it and it isn't on my schedule. Turbo rebuild? Never heard of that either, not on my schedule and I have over 100k on my truck. Catalyst? LOL!. Dude, you're just making stuff up. Granted diesel maintenance costs more than gas, I'll give you that but not near what you listed. Sorry.


RE: And the cost ?
By FITCamaro on 9/18/2012 4:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
We can thank the EPA for diesel mileage actually going DOWN in the past 10 years.


RE: And the cost ?
By Flunk on 9/18/2012 9:16:24 AM , Rating: 2
You can't really make a statement like that without backing it up. I mean unless your intent is to look crazy.


RE: And the cost ?
By silverblue on 9/19/2012 8:01:58 AM , Rating: 2
Not bad at all, unfortunately I doubt we'll get it anywhere near that cheaply in Europe (under the Mondeo name).


RE: And the cost ?
By Masospaghetti on 9/18/2012 9:57:34 AM , Rating: 2
1) You drive over 62 mph, or
2) You want more than <10 miles EV range?

The Fusion would be better on long trips (47 mpg vs 40 mpg), but not as efficient for local driving (47 mpg vs 98 mpg-e).

What is your beef with the Volt, anyway?


RE: And the cost ?
By Nutzo on 9/18/2012 11:24:38 AM , Rating: 2
EV range is only about 2 miles assuming the battery is fully charged.

If you want a longer range you need to buy the plugin version, not the hybrid. The plugin version has an EV range of around 20 miles, plus it qualified for the Federal Tax rebate, making the price close to the price of a similarly configured hybrid.

Ford also has the C-Max, a crossover Hybrid and a plugin that gets the same milage.


RE: And the cost ?
By ebakke on 9/18/2012 12:41:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
plus it qualified for the Federal Tax rebate, making the price close to the price of a similarly configured hybrid.
False. The price is the price. It's the same whether or not the vehicle qualifies for the tax credit. What differs, however, is whether or not you're able to force your neighbors to pay for 20% of your new car.


RE: And the cost ?
By Nutzo on 9/19/2012 11:30:02 AM , Rating: 2
Completely agree with you on the tax credit.
It's wrong to force taxpayers to subsidize these cars, especially since most of these cars are still so expensive only the rich and upper middle class can afford them.


RE: And the cost ?
By Mint on 9/18/2012 11:16:22 AM , Rating: 1
Because you can't plug it in.

I personally don't get why plugins aren't more ubiquitous. Take this car, add a bigger battery and charger, and you got a PHEV eligible for tax credits that should cover all the extra cost. It should also be incrementally easier to increase performance, too. Let's see how much the Fusion Energi costs.

47 mpg combined is damn impressive, though.


RE: And the cost ?
By Dorkyman on 9/18/2012 11:40:07 AM , Rating: 3
Plugins aren't more ubiquitous because they are beyond the peak on the "bang for the buck" curve, assuming a fair evaluation excluding tax credits and other government interference. Hybrids are closer to that peak.

What is the point in spending and additional $15k up-front in order to save $0.05/mile? And even if you don't personally have to eat that full $15k (forcing the rest of us to do so), it's still a lousy idea.

I like steak. Tell you what, let's have the government subsidize steak so that we can buy it at $0.99/lb. Good idea--after all, it's tasty and full of protein, and we all need protein.


RE: And the cost ?
By Dorkyman on 9/18/2012 11:41:06 AM , Rating: 2
"an," not "and." Sorry.


RE: And the cost ?
By Uncle on 9/18/2012 12:40:19 PM , Rating: 1
May I add, your so called savings will be short lived. Our Capitalist system dictates that a company that reaches a certain level of profits has to equal or exceed that level in the next quarter. So as people move to a higher mpg automobile, so will the oil companies raise their prices at the pump.


RE: And the cost ?
By Dorkyman on 9/18/2012 3:20:38 PM , Rating: 2
With respect, I suggest you take Econ 101. Any local community college will have such a course. Read the chapter called "Supply and demand."

Your comment is not logical.


RE: And the cost ?
By Uncle on 9/18/2012 5:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
Very logical. As supply increases and demand decreases oil companies have to jack up the price at the pumps to continue to make the same or higher profits. Ever notice how you and everyone else does your part to use less electricity, less water, less gas at the pumps, prices continue to rise. In the past with real competition, your argument would hold water. The old Econ101 hasn't been upgraded to include monopolization, oligarchy, etc.


RE: And the cost ?
By Dorkyman on 9/18/2012 6:23:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've never met a capitalist who was directed to "increase profits every year." The whole point is to maximize profit for the shareholders FOR THAT YEAR. If Chevron found that basketweaving could produce a better profit than oil extraction, then they would go into basketweaving.

You incorrectly assume that the oil guys collude with each other to set prices. I can assure you that they do not, with the exception being OPEC, which is just a portion of the world oil market these days. Any upstart with a more-efficient process will be delighted to undercut the market in order to grow and return a bigger profit to its investors.

It's true that we use less fuel in our cars today. All things being equal, that would put downward pressure on the world price of oil. But there are many, many variables involved; auto fuel efficiency is only one (and a small one). China has radically changed in the past decade and there are hundreds of millions of Chinese who are now middle class, with houses and cars like ours. The demand just keeps rising.

One final note: look at natural gas. Price in the USA in just a few years has gone from $8 to $2. Why wouldn't those money-grubbing capitalists just keep the price high and get all those profits? Because they can't control the price--supply and demand do.


RE: And the cost ?
By Uncle on 9/18/2012 9:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
Lets pick natural gas. We have had cheap N Gas for the last, say three yrs and my gas price hasn't gone down its gone up. Each year Fortis has gone to the Utility's commission and received their requests.Well if N Gas has gone down,if anything, give the industry the benefit of the doubt, it should have at least stabilized in the last three yrs.


RE: And the cost ?
By Uncle on 9/18/2012 9:06:59 PM , Rating: 2
"I've never met a capitalist who was directed to "increase profits every year." Wall street would disagree with you. The million dollar bonuses are based on profit or share price increases.


RE: And the cost ?
By Mint on 9/19/2012 2:20:49 AM , Rating: 2
You don't get it. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be $15k more than a regular hybrid. All you need is a bigger battery and charger.

Regular hybrids have all the complexity of a plugin: electric motor, power electronics, regenerative braking, software control, extra pumps, etc. The MARGINAL cost to make it a plugin should be basically offset by the credits. But why isn't it? Or am I just being impatient, and the Energi variants of the C-Max and Fusion have reasonable prices?


RE: And the cost ?
By Dr. Kenneth Noisewater on 9/18/2012 6:15:53 PM , Rating: 3
You mean like the Energi?

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078496_is-for...

It would probably be a better car for my retired parents than the Volt, as their driving tends more towards long-distance road trips than mine. I do think they'd prefer a Taurus Energi though, for the extra room.


RE: And the cost ?
By xfea on 9/18/12, Rating: -1
RE: And the cost ?
By Rukkian on 9/18/2012 2:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
You know I really cannot believe that the President of Audi would not fully endorse people buying a car from the competition. He must not have any bias at all, I guess I will just buy whatever he tells me too whenever I need a new car going forard!


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