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Critics say Apple is moving to slowly to compete with innovative competitors

"While many will no doubt proclaim the iPhone 5 to be a miss due to the lack of radical change, I say look at it logically. The last time a product as successful as the iPhone got a radical change it was a total disaster. Remember New Coke?" wrote James Kendrick, a contributor at ZDNet.

I. Some Reviews Blast Apple for Slow Progress

There's praise in there for Apple, Inc.'s (AAPLnew device -- indeed Mr. Kendrick even titles his piece "Just what Apple needed".  But by the same token Mr. Kendrick is openly acknowledging that some folks will be less-than-impressed with Apple's modest hardware improvements and virtual standstill on the operating system front.

Others like "Fake Steve Jobs" -- Dan Lyons -- were far less kind.  Writing for BBC News, Mr. Lyons comments:

Somewhere up there, I can hear Steve screaming.... Apple's renowned designer Jonathan Ive has replaced the tiny 3.5in (8.9cm) screen with a slightly-less-tiny 4in (10.2cm) screen? Wow. Knock me over with a feather. What do you do with the rest of your time, Jony?  ...despite all its bluster about innovation, Apple has become a copycat, and not even a good one. Why is Apple making the iPhone bigger? To keep up with the top Android phones.
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In terms of products, Apple has become the one thing it should never be. Apple has become boring.

And CBS writes in a piece entitled "Apple iPhone 5: big innovation takes a holiday":

Let there be no doubt, the device will sell a boatload of units. However, the changes seemed all incremental improvements -- new features that were nice, but none that catapulted Apple ahead and left all rival Android phones in the dust.

Doubtless the hardcore fans will argue that Apple is revolutionary, blazing trails and creating amazing products. But from a more detached view, the company's pace of major innovation seems to be slowing. For example, there didn't seem to be anything new that was the equivalent of a Siri or Retina display.

To be fair, there were some glowing articles as well -- and the majority of bloggers took the high road in terms of simply reporting the facts and details on the presentation.

But the iPhone 5 is perhaps the most mixed reaction to an iPhone since the product's 2007 launch.  If the iPhone 4S launch left some lukewarm, this one left the critics downright chilly.

Surely this kind of negative publicity would never have occurred under Apple co-founder and two-time CEO Steve Jobs' watch.  But Steve is gone, and Tim Cook is at the helm, and so far Apple seems to have lost some of its magic which once enraptured most members of the media.

II. Is Apple "Pulling a Vista"?

The reaction draws some analogies to the reviews of Windows Vista.  That's not to say the product is the same -- it clearly isn't.  Nor are the circumstances.  But reading the reviews recap:

I'd say the majority were guardedly positive, saying that Vista looked good overall but wasn't a killer product that demanded instant installation on every PC on the planet. ZDNet’s Ed Bott (who didn’t publish a comprehensive review), PC World’s Preston Gralla, and Paul Thurrott were enthusiastic overall; BusinessWeek’s Steve Wildstrom, CNET's Robert Vamosi, and PC Magazine’s John Clyman all accentuated more negatives than most. Only Forbes’ Manes was extremely negative, period.

...from Technologizer's study on the contentious Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) product and one observes some similarities -- a massive company pitching a flagship product that leaves many neutral, and a few vehemently negative, to the point where some were complaining that the innovative fire was gone from the product maker's eyes.

Windows Vista
Windows Vista was another iconic product to draw mixed reviews; yet it generated decent sales overall. [Image Source: FoxNews]

The Vista comparison isn't very flattering.  But remember, Vista sold 60 million copies in 7 months -- almost 30 million licenses per calendar quarter.  The lesson?  Even if Apple's product is as much of a dud as its strongest critics state, residual product loyalty and its massive sales machines will drive modest sales, much as similar factors at Microsoft helped move Vista licenses.

Sources: BBC News, CBS News, ZDNet, Technologizer [Vista Reviews]



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It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By RufusM on 9/12/2012 5:40:32 PM , Rating: 2
The iPhone 5 looked fine to me. It has a new CPU, GPU, 16x9 screen, LTE, slight design change, etc. Apple's not going to take what they have and blow it up with something all new. The bottom line for Apple is that they are going to sell millions of them.

Both Google and Apple are about iterating on their existing designs at this point. Microsoft and RIM are about re-inventing so they can just catch up.




RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By JasonMick (blog) on 9/12/2012 5:55:20 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The iPhone 5 looked fine to me. It has a new CPU, GPU, 16x9 screen, LTE, slight design change, etc. Apple's not going to take what they have and blow it up with something all new. The bottom line for Apple is that they are going to sell millions of them.

Both Google and Apple are about iterating on their existing designs at this point. Microsoft and RIM are about re-inventing so they can just catch up.
I think you missed the point the critics were making. They weren't knocking the hardware, they were complaining about the interface and core apps...

iPhone (2007)
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/3548_iphone1.jp...
iPhone 5 (2012)
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/iPhone_5_PF_Bla...

Android 1.0 (2008)
http://geeksincorporated.files.wordpress.com/2012/...
Android 4.1 (2012)
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/448852...

Surely you would agree Google has evolved quite a bit more on the interface front. Apple had arguably the best interface in 2007, and today many still find its simplistic approach enjoyable. However, it's looking a bit dated by modern standards vs. Jelly Bean or Windows Phone 8.

Hardware-wise, though the iPhone looks fine though Apple is certainly late to the big-screen/LTE party....


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By bjacobson on 9/12/2012 6:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
why compete when you can just sue the market into submission? That way people have to buy your rehashed, non-innovative tech.*

*personally I think it's fine. 4" will make a nice difference.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By ammaross on 9/12/2012 7:19:33 PM , Rating: 2
The screen's not even 720p. It's spitting close at ~1150x640 by that's still going to hurt comparatively. Bonus on the screen size bump, but wasn't the polls saying iPhone users preferred the smaller screen/phone size as one of their major "likes" about the platform? Guess their opinion will change now that Apple's has.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By someguy123 on 9/12/2012 11:14:24 PM , Rating: 2
I really don't see that as their main problem, or even a problem at all really. Personally I don't understand the point of wasting resources on more pixels at the cost of general performance or battery life, unless the battery life was much longer. The only reason it's even 640 is to keep their "retina" phone standard. Right now raw specs on phones just seems like a pissing contest compared to general UI improvements or extended battery life. Hell the thing to do for android phones is to undervolt them (not sure if this is possible through iphone jailbreaks). Why is something like that even necessary?


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By mcnabney on 9/13/2012 10:09:30 AM , Rating: 2
No, it is 640 because the iOS platform requires it. Apple is not resolution independent like Android is. iPhone 5 users will actually see black bars on the side when running most apps that weren't rewritten for the new resolution.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By othercents on 9/13/2012 12:38:45 PM , Rating: 2
What Apple has done well is getting all applications to run across all the phone models smoothly. I rarely have a complaint about application performance on the iPhone or iPad like I have on my android devices or WP7. However what other competitors have done well is the home screen interface. Creating an interactive interface would do wonders for the iPhone. Apple did well adding the notification center, however I don't think it is enough to capture business users or those interested in social networking capabilities.

The interactive interface is why I switched to WP7. Since I was always launching Twitter and Facebook the integration was more important to me than the loss of the Apple App Store.

Other


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 12:55:10 AM , Rating: 2
You do know Android had the notifications LOOONG before Apple put it in right? You do also realize that older apps on the iPhone5 will have letterboxes along the top and bottom right? How is that doing well getting all the applications to run across all the models?


By othercents on 9/17/2012 9:23:39 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I know Android had notifications first because I own 5 or 6 Android devices, however it doesn't matter what was, but was is and right now I like the iPhone's implementation of the notifications better than the Androids which is still much better than the WP7 notifications. I also like the lock screen notifications that iPhone provides which in my opinion is much better than the Android version.

Yes, I understand letterboxes and I also understand that developers will need to update their software for the new platform. This is all part of being a software developer and I don't understand why anyone would choose this as an argument point. Do you know that the same things happens on Android devices too? You know if you watch older TV shows on your HD screen there are letter boxes? In my opinion this isn't a big deal since gameplay or quality of the app should overriding decision made on purchasing an app, not if it fits across the whole screen.

Getting applications to run "well" on all models is a plus for Apple especially since their competitor has issues with doing the same. When I recommend phones to people I take this into account since the people asking my advice definitely are not technically savvy and they keep phones for a really long time. In most cases I can't even download some applications from Google Play since my devices isn't supported. I haven't seen this issue on the iPhones and typically on the iPhone the games will adjust to the screen and processing power to give you the best experience. Most of the applications in Google Play that are introduced with the top end devices don't work with the previous generation or if they do they crash all the time.

NOTE: I won't purchase another iPhone unless they put in a smart screen that can integrate the messaging and social aspects of the phone, however I still recommend it to some people. Everything I have stated above is my experience with my devices which are numerous different iPhone, Android, WebOS, etc...


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By EnzoFX on 9/13/2012 12:40:33 PM , Rating: 1
It is a pissing contest for people obsessed with specs, usually Android fanboys, because their iterations are strictly spec driven to offset the still not completely smooth interfact, or the bloatware their favorite manufacturer ads. Nevertheless the resolution argument is retarded. Screen size is entirely subjective. Simple as that. As far as the actual res on the iPhone, well it still has a higher PPI than any Android. For someone that doesn't want a big screen that's unusable with one hand, then the iPhone is clearly the better choice.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Chaser on 9/13/2012 12:56:51 PM , Rating: 4
Yes those insignificant features that no one cares about like LTE and a larger display. Oh wait I guess they're important now.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/13/2012 3:54:36 PM , Rating: 2
and what is this "un-useable with one hand" argument I keep hearing as an excuse for the small screen on iPhone? That is ridiculous.

It's almost as ridiculous as the huge bezel space on the top and bottom while claiming to be conscious of size. Hey Apple, why not make the phone smaller by not wasting all that space on the top and bottom? By the end of the year we will start seeing android phones with almost no Bezel, bringing the overall size way down.


By foolsgambit11 on 9/13/2012 7:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
But if they get rid of the bezel, they will no longer be operating within their broad design patent....


By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 12:56:39 AM , Rating: 2
One of my biggest complaints since the original! Sure they made the bezels a little smaller now but WTF is with one stupid button on the bottom? Hey, give me more buttons instead of blank black landscape that does NOTHING. How people can use an iPhone and tolerate is still beyond me. Then again I like being efficient.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Mint on 9/12/2012 7:46:54 PM , Rating: 5
I'm going to partly disagree and say the hardware isn't that impressive compared to its rivals.

CPU/GPU? Sure, they'll be up to par and be among the best, but you really don't get much from that anymore.

The Lumia added wireless charging, image stabilization along with a fast lens and great sensor, and a touchscreen that works with gloves on. That's three hardware innovations right there that tangibly improve the user experience.

The Galaxy Note II has the inductive stylus and it along with the S3 have enormous AMOLED screens. As a Note owner, I value both far more than CPU/GPU power. AMOLED adds serious punch to the display, IMO, but I have a fetish for inky blacks.

These are the kind of things that make a phone stand out from the crowd. Software is important too, of course, but I think people were expecting Apple to do something bigger.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By mcnabney on 9/13/2012 10:13:42 AM , Rating: 2
You simply cannot use terms like 'fast lens' and 'great sensor' when talking about the cameras on phones. You just can't. The best you can say is 'somewhat less horrible', but never infer any ability that goes beyond 'casual picture taking'.


By foolsgambit11 on 9/13/2012 7:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know, I'm constantly depressed when I try using an iPhone camera after using my Galaxy Nexus. The photo quality is pretty close (maybe Apple has the edge) but the responsiveness of the camera is miles apart.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By TakinYourPoints on 9/12/12, Rating: -1
RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Reclaimer77 on 9/12/12, Rating: -1
RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By TakinYourPoints on 9/13/2012 12:25:36 AM , Rating: 2
I was talking mainly about UI, something that WP nails. Obviously WP OS support is a big deal, an even bigger disappointment to me than the lack of hardware updates. I should have added a note about that for the pedants.

Either way, you're missing the main point of my post, which is what radical OS tweaks aren't needed if your baseline is solid and it is all about polishing and making it better.

A good foundation doesn't require radical annual redesigns.

It is a different approach from Google's where they are working overtime to shore up an OS that really needs it.


By Kepler on 9/13/2012 9:29:27 AM , Rating: 2
Sure it doesn't require radical changes...But at least something over the course of five years.

I guess they did steal Androids notification bar, for a UI/functionality change.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2012 9:47:32 AM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone "nails" the UI, in your opinion. But in my opinion that cannot possibly make up for all the other problems with the platform.

Not having an always buttery smooth UI is just something fanboi's used to hammer Android. Let's be real, it's not like we're talking about 3 second UI lag or anything here, just very minor stutters. Now that Android not only solved that, but has a UI faster and more responsive than iOS, you've switched to fanboi attack tactic #2, OS updates.

But you cannot slam Android for it's updates then praise Windows Phone in the same post, then go back and say "oh wait, I was mainly talking about the UI". Huh?

quote:
Either way, you're missing the main point of my post, which is what radical OS tweaks aren't needed if your baseline is solid and it is all about polishing and making it better.


I didn't miss your point, it's just not valid because again, it's designed to favor Apple in the extreme. iOS has become decadent and stagnant, you know it, and I know it. Yes, the things it does well it does very well, but so what? The things it doesn't do, it still doesn't do. And the things it does poorly, are still done poorly.

If we applied your point of view to all software, well I just hate to think where we would be today.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By MaulBall789 on 9/13/2012 12:31:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
it's not like we're talking about 3 second UI lag or anything here


Uh, try 15 seconds. Or even longer. My Droid X sometimes takes as long as 30 seconds to bring up voice commands, and then another 30 seconds to respond to them. Even when it understands what I said! "Please wait... Please wait". I'm sick of waiting. I want any device I own to work when I need it to work. When I hit the browser app the browser had damn well better come up immediately! It may be that the Android 2.3 software is fine, but the hardware was far too underpowered to run it.

My upgrade window opens in less than a month. I am going to give the Galaxy S3 a tryout, but if it so much as hangs for 2 seconds to do anything it's gone. iPhone may not have the snaziest most awesome UI in existence today, but it does have the most stable UI - by far. It's not even close. If I have to give up a little bit of screen real estate to get the response I want, it's a small price to pay.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/13/2012 3:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
"Uh, try 15 seconds. Or even longer. My Droid X sometimes takes as long as 30 seconds to bring up voice commands"

That is a 2 year old phone from when Android really was lagging behind. It has a combo of issues. SLow OS and slow CPU/GPU... Todays Android is nothing like that. No lag. Its fixed, and fast as hell.

Really, try a modern Android before you buy. You wont be sorry.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By lawrance on 9/13/2012 4:56:19 PM , Rating: 2
Um... I have an HTC running 4.0 ICS and it lags all the time. The phone is brand new. I'm returning it next week when my iPHone 5 arrives. Let me guess... the phone I bought is outdated because it's not running Jelly Bean?

Maybe I should just upgrade to Jelly Bean... Oooops! I can't because HTC won't bother with the upgrade. They would rather just sell me a new phone.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/13/2012 5:19:06 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno what the issue is with HTC sense, or what model you have... But newer model Androids dont have these issues. HTC may have thier own separate issue.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By tayb on 9/13/2012 5:35:54 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry but Android is just not nearly as smooth as iOS or WP7/8. It's not so bad that's egregious or horrible but it's just not as smooth. Not only that but the UI animations aren't nearly as slick. It's not anyone's fault in particular but when so many people have their hands in code editing or customizing you're bound to get slow downs or poor animation decisions.

It also doesn't help perception when the vast majority of Android handsets in the wild ARE running much older versions of Android that were just outright slow.


By retrospooty on 9/13/2012 5:38:48 PM , Rating: 2
Have you tried Jelly Bean?


By Reclaimer77 on 9/13/2012 7:50:14 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I'm sorry but Android is just not nearly as smooth as iOS or WP7/8.


Wrong again.

quote:
It also doesn't help perception when the vast majority of Android handsets in the wild ARE running much older versions of Android that were just outright slow.


Irrelevant argument. We're comparing the latest version of the OS's. Project Butter was a huge success. Android is now THE quickest and smoothest OS on the market. End of story.

Also if we're talking in the "wild", how many WP7/8 phones are out there total? Not many!

Now reply with your "bla bla bla" response you stupid shit, I know you want to.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 1:01:12 AM , Rating: 2
Plus if he bought it recently enough to be able to return it and it already had ICS on it it will most definitely get JB. It's most likely he bought the "free" phone on contract.


By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 7:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
I have a feeling he got a cheap phone that was "new" as in never used, but not a new model, and not a high end model. That and HTC does have some issues. Androids weakness is crappy quality on some suppliers, and older models may leave a bad taste. It's buyer beware. Those that know how to get the right product can, those who dont have the info or tech skills to know the difference probably should buy an iPhone. It's all controlled and no guess work. One phone, no choices, no options, no work at all.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By TakinYourPoints on 9/14/2012 1:44:53 AM , Rating: 2
Your post nails every big issue with Android that many others here feel compelled to apologize for and excuse away.

Why they do, I have no idea.


By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 7:47:54 AM , Rating: 2
Androids perception problem is due to some poor quality suppliers, low end models and older models. It wasnt good, but it is now. People buy cheap "new" mid range phone that has been sitting on the shelf for a long time and its not a new high end model, then complain and leave. Well, that happens in this situation. Apple has only one phone, the high end one, but it still doesnt compare to high end Androids. You cant compare older mid range android to iPhone and call it a fair comparison. Compare the HTC One X, GS3, and Razer HD, or NExus with Jelly Bean. If you are comparing todays high end android phones vs. todays high end iPhone , Android still comes out on top.


By piroroadkill on 9/14/2012 3:48:02 AM , Rating: 2
This is all odd. I have an old Desire HD with a pretty old Gingerbread custom sense ROM on it, and I only have delays very, very rarely.


By Belard on 9/13/2012 4:36:16 AM , Rating: 2
I think you pretty much nailed it Jason.

But at the same time... the iOS interface is dreadfully simple to use, many people will like for it to stay the same. But why not offer the same UI but with different optional skin choices?

I am running the latest iOS on my iPad1, its quite nice, 6.0 offers nothing (obviously) because of its age. Then I can compare my Galaxy S1 Android 2.3 (running WP7 interface on top) to Android 4.0... and its LOOKS amazing, its slick. I doubt I'll run the WP7/8 UI on top of my new Android phone I'm picking up on Friday (Atrix HD) which has some 4.1 elements. Just using 4.0 was nice to use, vs 2.x which I never really cared for.

On the hardware end, my take:
1) I actually PREFER the smaller size of the iPhone4/5... I wish more Android phones were that small. Something that Motorola did with the Droid RAZR M. They stuck a 4.3" 960x540 screen into a body that is a hair wider than the iPhone 4/5. The screen itself is not as sharp as the 720p screens...it almost has no bezel whatsoever (I wonder if its more prone to breaking?) - it LOOKS AWESOME. The body shape is very nice.

To me, the perfect phone with by the Droid M body style, but slightly bigger body to hold the 4.5" 1280x720 screen. It would STILL be smaller than my Samsung Captivate with its 4.0" screen.

I also think that Apple kept the same size for easy conversion with accessories, even if the DOCK connector is smaller.

2) I'm good with the two-tone back... the metal back won't shatter. I personally like different textures.

3) the front is same-old same-old... I think they could have done a but more?

4) Speakers on the bottom is still one of the better locations (front = even better).

5) inside hardware, seems great... no NFC is odd, but the metal body prevents THAT from happening.

As other have posted... Nokia has done a bit more INNOVATIVE things with the 820/920. I half agree. The 920 is an updated 900. The 900 is an uncomfortable square block. I was sick of it after a minute. The 820 is what I would love to have (If WP8 was something I was willing to use) - it looks great all over. Changeable bodies = easy replacement when its scratched up or for seasons / moods. Only downer is the 800x480 resolution (so 2010).

I wish I liked Windows8 and that the 820 was available with my carrier. It has more of the COOL factor that the iPhone5 doesn't have.

Hmmm... hey, didn't the CEO of FOXCONN say the iPhone5 was going to kill everything else? I don't see that happening. A lot of people will buy it... but not like the iPhone 4. Its an improvement over the iPhone4s in every way, which is to be expected. I think iOS7 will need to somehow GRAB people... But it doesn't.


By NellyFromMA on 9/13/2012 9:29:42 AM , Rating: 2
Honestly, 4 inches isn't a big screen...


By RufusM on 9/13/2012 10:55:27 AM , Rating: 2
I see your point. Apple has been slow to iterate with their UX, but that is consistently Apple so I'm not sure why people expected much more. Apple doesn't want to alienate all of the users that expect it to work a certain way. That's always a huge challenge with large UX changes. I think Apple would do well to add some widgets and such, but that's just not Apple's way. Just like Google's model is: ship it now, fix it later.

Android had to change because the first couple versions were, frankly, kind of crappy and I like Android. It wasn't until Gingerbread that Android was really a good OS, IMO.

Anywho, both iOS and Android are great OSes and do a great job for their purpose. If they don't do that, or stop doing that, someone will find a way to do it better.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By BSMonitor on 9/14/2012 12:03:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, we know:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2974676/this-was...

And yeah, you all can talk your way past all the "issues" the various flavors of Android have had.. But the fact is NO one complains about their iOS experience.

Funny how the only ones complaining about iOS are Android phone owners...

Oh right, got an excuse for that too.. Just sheep..

Grow up.. iOS is successful because it is a strong OS. From day 1. I have turned my iPhone's off maybe 5 times in three years. Can you say the same??

LMAO


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 1:09:14 AM , Rating: 2
Your logic is flawed. If we complained about iOS why would we own an iPhone? I had an iPhone and now own an Android because I couldn't stand all the software and physical limitations it had. It was horrible although tolerable once jailbroken.

One person on a forum said their iPhone was great because they could turn off their wifi with just two clicks. It's people like this that keep Apple alive. They're just too ignorant to look around at the other options and learn that with a simple widget you can turn off wifi with one click in Android. Hell, I use an app to turn it on and off for me based on my location so I do it with no clicks.

Sheep are people that just follow along blindly. You do. I'm no Android fan either since I'm pretty excited about the Nokia 920 and I may be the only one but kind of excited about some of the features in BBX10. Only if they could combine everything I like...


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By BSMonitor on 9/14/2012 9:40:35 AM , Rating: 2
Ummm, no. My logic is absolutely spot on. Most complaints are about how flexible Android is and iOS is not. Yet, YOU all are willing to gloss over all of Android's failings to get your customization. And you are welcome to it.

But perhaps all that customization comes at a price. iOS users typically LOVE the fact that there are NO rough edges in iOS. Period.

Widgets are great, until you have to pull your battery out because it froze the OS. And some more customizing might be nice in iOS, but not at the price of making it more unstable.

yeah, yeah jelly bean fixes sh&t.. blah blah.. At no time was a OS upgrade to iOS needed to make it "more stable".


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 10:19:15 AM , Rating: 2
I dont think anyone could argue that Android 2.xx was crap, but that is that. Todays high end Android phones are WAY better than Todays iPhone, even the 5.

Your impression of Android and your comments are true of older models and some cheap low end models, but that isnt really what competes with the iPhone. The iPhone is a high end model and it compares to the GS3, Note2, OneX, RazrHD, not old low end phones.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By BSMonitor on 9/14/2012 10:45:02 AM , Rating: 2
Yawn!!


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 11:11:13 AM , Rating: 2
Thats exactly what I say about the iPhone 5.

Whatever, you buy what you want nad let others buy what they want and keep your falsely tilted info to yourself.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By BSMonitor on 9/14/2012 11:44:31 AM , Rating: 2
Did not ask for an Android fanboy's opinion of the iPhone 5.. Pretty sure no one did.

LMAO, I have said nothing false whatsoever. You admit to Android shortcomings and then gloss it over when compared to slightly bigger screens and widget control.

Again, if you do not like Apple or iOS. NO ONE CARES why you think it doesn't meet your hypocritical standards. Keep buying a new smart phone each incremental step of the way, I am sure Google appreciates it.

Just like Apple appreciates the brand loyalty of its iOS users.

Grow up


By retrospooty on 9/14/2012 11:59:28 AM , Rating: 2
First off, stop, and read the title of the article you are posting in... Then collect yourself and read the article to get a clear picture of the topic at hand.

Now ask yourself why you posted in it comparing shortcomings that exxisted on old models of Android 2.x that sucked compared to todays iPhone5. If you want to compare the 2 platforms, comparte todays high endm, becasue that is its competition, not budget phones from last year.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By mdogs444 on 9/12/2012 6:04:03 PM , Rating: 3
I have an iPhone, but I won't be upgrading. Changing the cable would render all my accessories useless and I have no intention of buying new ones.

Maybe when my contract expires I'll go to something else and use my current iPhone as nothing more than an MP3 player with wifi.


By Uncle on 9/12/2012 7:07:53 PM , Rating: 2
Did that with two win 6.5. Have to admit the sound is what puts it apart from from regular mp3 players.


By dani31 on 9/12/2012 6:05:33 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The iPhone 5 looked fine to me. It has a new CPU, GPU, 16x9 screen, LTE, slight design change, etc.

No mass storage support, no microusb.
I simply don't accept to have to use a proprietary cable and install itunes to get a damned file on my phone.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Helbore on 9/13/2012 8:29:21 AM , Rating: 2
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The iPhone 5 looked fine to me.


I'd say that's exactly the problem that many people are having with it. It is just "fine."

IT really doesn't do anything more than catch up with the current competition. There is nothing there to make you want this over an S3 or a One X, for example. The only thing it has going for it is that "its an iPhone."

Even as someone who's never owned an iPhone, I can see the many benefits that came with new models. The App Store. The retina display. Siri. etc. There were new features that weren't on competing handsets and allowed the latest iPhone to (even if it may have been brief) be the best new handset on the market.

But when you look at the iPhone 5, all you see is a phone that has just caught up with handsets released in H1 of 2012. It doesn't beat them in any way. IT doesn't offer features that would make you want to swap your existing handset, unless your existing handset is an old iPhone and you only buy iPhones.

It represents the potential moment where the iPhone completely slips behind the competition. It got caught up fast by the rate at which Android phones are released. It is now behind and playing catch up. If the trend continues, the iPhone 5S may not even compete with handsets that are already on the market months before its release.

Put simply, the iPhone 5 is a respectable device, but offers zero innovation. Only its brand name allows it to stand out - and as many prior companies can attest, that is not something you can rely on forever.


By mcnabney on 9/13/2012 10:19:19 AM , Rating: 2
Outside of pushing the resolution limits with Retina, there has never been anything that set the iPhone apart. Even Siri is just a chatbot. Heck, my Droid 1 responded just fine to voice commands. A front-facing camera wasn't anything new either.


By bah12 on 9/13/2012 12:00:16 PM , Rating: 2
Don't downplay the significance of the app eco system, or "it is an iPhone". That is HUGE!

Look for years MS got what Apple didn't on the PC side. Computing was all about the software. Hardware was there just to support software, enthusiasts cared but the consumer wanted consistent app experience.

With the iPhone Apple truly nailed this. The VAST majority of the consumer users, don't care nearly as much about performance as they do ease of use. Apps matter. To date I've easily spent more in apps that I did for the hardware. Switching requires I re-spend that money. One cannot downplay the importance of this.

If today I was going to by my first smartphone, Apple would be a tough sell (even with the 5). But I am eligible for an upgrade, and even though I'm not happy with my iPhone, nor am I excited about the 5. It still has to be on my short list for 3 reasons.

#1 - Apps Apps Apps. I'd have to repurchase several apps.

#2 - Popularity. My kids can't face time grandma from an android. I know there are other options, and I can set them up, but grandma...not so much.

#3 - Gaming. I'm a completionist. I don't want to beat every level of cut the rope again (or a dozen other ones), just to access the newest levels.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By lawrance on 9/13/2012 5:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
It was Apple who invented the current chiclet style OS. Google stole the idea from being on Apple's board. They were busy copying RIM until they saw Apple's plans. If it weren't for Apple, there would be no Android as you know it. So if you want to talk about lack of innovation, don't use Apple as an example.


By foolsgambit11 on 9/13/2012 7:56:02 PM , Rating: 2
Don't know if you've noticed, but 'chicklet' is no longer the current OS style for non-iOS phones. Windows phones use live panes. Android has very few icons that could be considered chicklets among first-party apps; most look more similar to classic Windows icons. Besides which, the interface has live widgets, not just icons for interfacing with apps.


By Helbore on 9/19/2012 1:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
And Apple weren't the first to make a mobile phone, or even a smartphone. So what's your point?

This isn't about prior smartphones or even prior iPhones. I was stating why many people are disappointed in the iPhone 5 - and that's because it really doesn't bring anything new to the table.

Plus, if you really want to go there - how is a bunch of screens full of widgets in any way a "Chiclet"-style OS?


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By Wolfpup on 9/13/2012 10:34:30 AM , Rating: 2
I had zero clue why the 5 was bashed last year (err...4s)...it seemed to be bashed by reporters who had no clue it was a bigger upgrade than the 3 to 4 was.

And bashing this one? Geez, it has a new CPU, which is pretty much totally unexpected. It has a bigger, better screen. It adds LTE, for people obsessed with the idea that somehow helps them.

What on Earth were people expecting? It's actually a BIGGER upgrade than we were expecting, so what's there to complain about?


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By EnzoFX on 9/13/2012 12:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is people don't know more comparable data. For the Android fanboys, they need more data to compare them to theirs lol. They need to know what freq the chips run at, so they can say, HA 1.6 is > than 1.0, so that means it's simply better in every way. Or they need to say, 4.5" is > 4.0" that means it's a better experience overall, and definitely not subjective...

I'd take the build quality of an iPhone over the plastic-y crap of Samsung or most manufacturers any day.


RE: It's About Iterating, Not Re-Inventing
By retrospooty on 9/13/2012 4:05:10 PM , Rating: 2
"The problem is people don't know more comparable data. For the Android fanboys, they need more data to compare them to theirs lol"

Actually, most of the people complaining that it isnt much of an upgrade are the iPhone fans. The regular ones, not the nutty ones that take it too far. Android fans dont care because they already know todays Androids have better offerings than Apple.

I mean, really, the 2 biggest features are 4 inch screen and 4G... This was available 2 years ago on Android. Apple does a press release like its some revolutionary thing. LOL. The original iPhone in 2007 was revolutionary. Since then, not so much. Apple has stagnated while the competition cought up and then surpassed them.


By lawrance on 9/13/2012 5:53:32 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the only ones I see complaining are writers who are after click counts. All of my friends and family are as stoked as I am about the iP5 and are all planning on buying one.

Every single thing on the phone has been improved on an already great phone. If that doesn't "wow" you then you have no pulse.

The only thing I hear from the Fandroid users are... "Oh we've had that since 2011". Who cares. Well iPhone owners have had a better user experience during that time.

Apple is expected to sell 50 million iP5's in the FIRST QUARTER. That's enough to affect the GDP by .5% - That is unheard of for an electronic device. That in itself is revolutionary.

Lastly, I would call the Android release's evolutionary too. Let's be fair here. They're both still chiclet style OS's.

Hardware innovation is bound to slow down just as has on the PC. And let's not forget where Android got it's start... by mimicking iOS while Dr. Eric Schmidt was sitting on Apple's board of directors.


By jimbojimbo on 9/14/2012 1:03:50 AM , Rating: 2
What? You weren't expecting a new CPU? If any company releases another phone one year later as their flagship model and used the same CPU it would be the dumbest thing in the world. They HAD to upgrade their hardware because it's simply expected. LTE has been available in phones for over a year now so how is this considered a major upgrade?

I still don't see these bigger upgrades you're talking about. Personally I think the 4 and 4S look much better than this as well.


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