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Kindle Fire HD 7"
Kindle Fire HD features 8.9" IPS display with 1920x1200 resolution

As the only company that has released a tablet that has managed to take a dent out of Apple's iPad sales (the Kindle Fire accounts for 22% of U.S. tablet sales), many people are looking forward to seeing what Amazon's next generation Kindle Fire has in store. The first generation Kindle Fire made a splash with a $199 price point and 7" form-factor, but Amazon is looking to expand the lineup’s appeal with second generation the devices.
 
The first up is a refreshed 7" model. It keeps the same look as the original, but includes a faster processor and twice the RAM. In addition, the price has been slashed from $199 to $159. It's hard to argue with faster performance and a cheaper price tag.
 
But the big announcement is the Kindle Fire HD. This new tablet is available with a 7" (1280x800) or 8.9" IPS display (1920x1200). The 8.9" Kindle Fire HD is only 8.8mm thick and weighs just 1.25 pounds. Powering the Kindle Fire HD is a Texas Instruments OMAP 4470 processor.
 
Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos even took at a dig at the Apple iPad by announcing that the Kindle Fire HD comes with dual stereo speakers that feature Dolby Digital Plus technology. The Kindle Fire HD also includes dual Wi-Fi antennas an MIMO compared to a single Wi-Fi antenna on the iPad and Nexus 7. Bezos says this allows its Kindle Fire HD tablets to outperform all competitors in Wi-Fi bandwidth tests.

Kindle Fire HD 8.9" showing "FreeTime"

Another interesting feature that Amazon is introducing with the Kindle Fire HD is FreeTime. FreeTime allows a parents to setup profiles on the device so that children will only have access to "kid-friendly" content while the grownups can still have access to entire spectrum of content. The profiles will also allow parents to limit how much time their child plays on the device.
 
The Kindle Fire HD will be available with 16GB of storage capacity and also includes HDMI out and Bluetooth. The 7" model will be priced at $199 (ships September 14) while the 8.9" model rings in at $299 (ships November 20).

Amazon also announced one additional member to the Kindle Fire HD family. The  Kindle Fire HD LTE 4G model is priced at $499, includes 32GB of storage, and comes with an amazing data package. For just $49.99/year, you get 250MB of bandwidth per month, 20GB of cloud storage space, and a $10 in Appstore credit. Can you say game changer?

The Kindle Fire HD LTE 4G will ship on November 20.
 
For those that prefer Amazon's more traditional line of e-readers, the company also today announced the Kindle Paperwhite. The Kindle Paperwhite features a higher resolution screen with 212 ppi (62 percent more pixels than previous model) that offers whiter whites and blacker blacks.


Kindle Paperwhite
 
The capacitive touch screen device is 9.1mm thick, weighs just 7.5 ounces, and had an 8-week battery life. It costs $119 and will ship on October 1. The Kindle Paperwhite 3G will also ship on October 1 for $179.
 
Even further done the e-reader ladder is the standard "Kindle". Amazon has updated the Kindle to include new fonts and crisper text, and has dropped the price from $79 to $69. It will ship on September 14.

Source: Amazon



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RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:16:37 PM , Rating: 5
Not really... Apple will sell a ton of each of those to their loyal fans, and the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Spuke on 9/6/2012 3:26:19 PM , Rating: 4
The new iPad was already released.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 3:28:37 PM , Rating: 5
I think he is referring to the rumored ipad mini that will undoubtedly be a 7 inch 1024x768 model and cost more than this while giving less. You know, Apple products.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Natch on 9/7/2012 9:37:51 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, but is the new Kindle Fire HD built with magic, derived from crushed unicorn horns and pixie dust? Huh? Is it?? Noooooooo!! ;-)


RE: Guess this confirms
By spamreader1 on 9/7/2012 9:59:29 AM , Rating: 4
Unicorn horns really come from norwal wales, everyone knows this.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:17:43 PM , Rating: 3
Faster hardware with more apps sounds like the better product to me. The Fire certainly is cheaper though, great for someone that doesn't need that much!


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 4:32:22 PM , Rating: 5
Like I said "the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 4:42:25 PM , Rating: 5
That is why I said " the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:03:07 PM , Rating: 2
Its all about what price fits your budget. I've always spent more if the experience meant more.

Your argument is in line with someone with a Core 2/Radeon HD 4850 gaming PC saying that an i5/GTX 670 isn't worth it. Meh.

Pay more, get more, its pretty simple.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:09:01 PM , Rating: 3
OK, you go pay $399 for an iPad2, I'll take the higher res 7 inch FireHD with a better higher res screen for 1/2 the price.

I spend more if the experience matches as well. There just isnt anything Apple has to offer that makes an inferior product superior... And that is IF the price was the same, and its not.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:27:00 PM , Rating: 5
"I totally agree that the iPad 2 is made moot by the new Fire. The iPad 3 is where you get all the benefits of hardware and the software ecosystem"

??? The 3 is just a 2 with higher res screen (and faster GPU to push the pixels). If the $400 ipad 2 is moot, how is the $500 higher res screen giving "the benefits of the ecosystem"

I think you have to try and pry off the Apple colored goggles and look at real performance and price. The "Apple is better because its Apple" argument just doesnt cut it.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:48:55 PM , Rating: 2
High-DPI displays are everything in a smartphone or tablet. It is a necessity for something you are holding only a foot away from your eyes.

Real performance is still there (the 2011 A5 was better than the Tegra 3 that is still common in Android tablets today) and applications are definitely there. The main differentiator is price. If you're not getting that amazing 2048x1536 display (and it is a HUGE reason for many people to buy it) and apps don't really matter, then it makes sense to me to drop down significantly to the new Fire. It slots in there perfectly.

I had a very hard time recommending the old Fire (despite the benefits of its vertical integration) because the hardware was trash. The new one fixes the hardware issues. Samsung/Asus/Acer tablets are pretty much hosed, there is no way they can keep up on price with comparable specs. I liked the Nexus 7 but I see no reason to recommend it now.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 5:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I had a very hard time recommending the old Fire (despite the benefits of its vertical integration) because the hardware was trash.


Hyperbole ftw.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/7/2012 5:07:28 AM , Rating: 2
Even by late 2011 standards the Kindle Fire hardware was slow, slow enough where there was significantly choppier UI/application chop and much slower browser performance compared to other tablets.

That said, it far and away the cheapest tablet out there, the first to nail $200.

Now the specs are much better, and it is partly possible because there are going to be ads displayed on the device. That combined with a willingness to make almost no money on the device allows for much better specs at a lower price than other OEMs in the same range.

I'm surprised that the Fire only being sold with ads isn't being discussed. That detail kind of flew under the radar. It makes great sense for Amazon. The Fire lock screen is basically a targeted billboard for Amazon that you carry around with you, pretty genius.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, high res screens are awesome and I love Apple for ushering in the new Era of higher res... But at some poinmt, enough is enough. an 8.9 inch 1920x200 is reduclously high. I have the same res in my 24 inch LCD at home. In no way is the iPad's 9.7 inch 2048x1536 better. Both are insanely high.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:38:32 AM , Rating: 2
Your entire argument is silly. No one can deny the benefits of the Apple ecosystem, yet you and other people with spec-driven goggles do. Even though Apple's specs are still holding well. Furthermore, it isn't much to say that something NEW is potentially better than something OLD (even on the merit of just specs, which is again, silly). This is tech, this is competition. It isn't even out yet lol.

Trolls will troll with their ignorant Apple hatred though, they just don't get it. And no I'm not saying Apple stuff is the best, that's strictly subjective, I'm saying you gotta be pretty stupid, or choose to be ignorant to not see what it has going for it, what it's had going for it, and why even Apple is very aggressive in their Tablet entries.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/7/2012 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 3
"Your entire argument is silly. No one can deny the benefits of the Apple ecosystem"

It's more about what the Apple ecosystem gives you over the Android ecosystem and is it worth the extra $$$. No, not to me, not even close. If on a 10 scale the Apple app store/ecosystem is a 9, then Androids is a 6 or 7. It's not like a 10-0 split there.

Look at it this way. There isn't anything you can do with an iPad/ that you cant do with an Android tablet. Most AAA apps are on both platforms and there are comparable apps that do anything on both platforms. For the price of 1 iPad, you can get a Kindle fire 8.9 inch 1920x1200 and a 7 inch 1280x800 - both of which can accomplish the exact same goals as the iPad. Most people use tablets for internet, email, and whatever apps they need. If you consider that "ignorant apple hatred" then so be it. For what its worth, I do see what Apple has going for it, and what it's had going for it . My whole point here is that advantage is gone.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/8/2012 1:37:22 AM , Rating: 2
No, you still don't get it. It is not equal on both sides just being able to say an app is on both platforms. If you think about, Apple has never really been the company where you can do something on their products and not on others. Their model has always been, HOW you do things.

In regards to an app being on both, there's still significantly more support on iOS ecosystem than there is on Android. Then just think about how buggy apps can be on Android, I feel for them though because they have to cater to so many different specs, nevertheless this is a big deal and is easily noticeable.


RE: Guess this confirms
By mcnabney on 9/7/2012 10:44:58 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, the iPad 3 display is probably too high of a res.

1920x1200 is probably the ideal resolution for ~10" tablets since the typical viewing distance is just outside of the pixel discernment range. Additional pixels beyond the ability to see them are wasted and only require a more powerful GPU and lower battery life.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
Before the new iPad resolution meant nothing in a tablet, meaning iPad2 had the worst pixel density of any 10" tablet. After the new iPad comes out resolution is the most important thing in the world.
Nobody can see the flaw in this type of reasoning?


RE: Guess this confirms
By schmandel on 9/7/2012 5:23:26 PM , Rating: 3
In the marketplace of ideas there are those forever destined to read stickers and pay retail.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Reclaimer77 on 9/6/2012 4:53:49 PM , Rating: 2
Takin why don't you just come out and say you are threatened by anything that competes with Apple? Because your entire demeanor screams this.

"Whaaaa, how dare these people want a Kindle! Don't they know the iPad is teh bestest thing evar!? I must troll them."


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 4:57:15 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not threatened at all! I think its a good product that is priced accordingly.

Hell, I ordered a Kindle Paperwhite the millisecond it went on sale, love Amazon's products. I've had Kindles since the first gen wayyyy back in 2007, way before the rest of you poseurs. ;)


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... True.

I am not passive aggressive or anything, I just need to point out that Apple is better. These tablets are good for being cheaper

Anyhow, I just dont get the whole $500 tablet thing. I am a gadget whore with cash to burn and I would still never pay $500 for any tablet. Not iPad, nor Asus Transformer or any other tablet. Just not worth it, not even close. That is why I like these $200 dealies, or maybe even the 8.9 inch 1920x1200 for $300 at the high end. My post above was referring to what is presumed to be teh iPad mini, which is expected to be an iPad 2 specwise on a 7 inch 1024x768 screen. I am guessing it will be $299, of course that remains to be seen. Even if its $250 it doesnt compare to either of these. Even the 7 inch HD is a better deal, even though Apple's 900,000 apps is more than Android's 800,000 LOL. How relevant.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:22:44 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, and the price will make this a hit. Before the Fire was announced I said that Amazon would be the only company outside of Apple that would nail a tablet, and it would partly be due to taking more control over the experience and integrating a store (Xoom fanboys were MAAAAAD at me, haha). I was right.

quote:
even though Apple's 900,000 apps is more than Android's 800,000LOL. How relevant.


This is where I don't agree. There is a big difference between rescaling phone apps or having universal apps that aren't optimized for a 7"+ screen, and ones that are optimized specifically for a tablet.

The majority of Android tablet apps are still halfass, it is an issue for the platform when the iPad equivalent from the same company is miles better than the Android version. This is before we get to there being more high end developers, etc. Of course, a larger market hooked into Amazon's closed market (important to protect developer profits) means more development resources, so the Fire will probably lead to better Android tablet apps. Big win for users!


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 5:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
We have had this discussion before. I get that to you, the small benefit of Apple app store is a big deal, but to most it isnt. You can do all the same things on and Android phone as an iPhone and all the same things on an Android tablet and an iPad. Most AAA titles are available on both. Apple just doesnt have anything that justifies the price premium. To be fair, the $500 android tablets from Asus and a few others arent worth it either.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 5:58:19 PM , Rating: 2
The difference in Android phone and Android tablet app libraries are big. You can get away with a lot more on an Android phone than you can with a tablet, and part of it because it hasn't been worth it for developers to sink time into Android tablets due to low sales. Even with superior overall sales numbers to the iPhone, Android has remained the #2 target development platform.

This is why a popular Android tablet with a closed app market is so important for its users. This will result in significantly better applications than are currently available on the platform.

I was right about generic Android tablets failing (again, MAD Xoom fanboys), I was right about Amazon being the first to nail Android tablets due to customer-focused vertical integration (like Apple), and I know I'm right about the Fire leading to good Android tablet apps (finally). See how Android tablet app quality will have improved by this time next year, it'll be way better than it is now.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 6:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you there... It was pretty clear the fire would change things at $200. But it was still fairly cruddy spec-wise. Today's release gives us a decent spec'd $200 unit. At 7 inches 1280x800 is pretty good, especially for the price. I have had 14 inch laptops with the same res.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 7:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think its great. The only real catch that some people may have issue with is that all of the Fire models now have ads on the lock screen.

I personally have no issue with this as long as it is the same as it has been with the Kindle reader. They are unobtrusive and don't interfere with the main content. Plus there are actual good deals on it! This is one more way Amazon can sell hardware for no profit.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:28:49 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I don't mind ads on the lock screen either. I'd rather have that than ads that pop up constantly or waste screen space constantly sitting somewhere.


RE: Guess this confirms
By tayb on 9/6/2012 6:22:45 PM , Rating: 1
Because he doesn't mindlessly bash Apple like the rest of you circle jerkers he must be a loyal Apple fanboy without logic. Some people can make objective decisions and don't make their buying purchases based on idiotic pre-conceived notions about products, product users, or company logos. It is not up for debate whether the Kindle Fire is a great deal but you should really take a look at who fired the first "shot" here.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/6/2012 6:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
IF you are referrign to my first "shot" above, saying "Apple will sell a ton of each of those to their loyal fans, and the rest of us that know better will get better products for cheaper prices"

That is absolutely 100% true to anyone that looks at it objectively. Compare the $399 iPad2 to the $299 FireHD. Compare the $199 fire HD to what will likely be a 1024x768 ipad mini at $249 - $299.

For anyone to look at those products and say Apple has any benefit over its cheaper competition would be like saying this $10 bill is worth more than that $20 bill.


RE: Guess this confirms
By TakinYourPoints on 9/6/2012 7:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
Your argument holds water if you ignore the iPad 3. The iPad 2 is obviously not competitive now, but if you have a higher budget then the choice is simple.

The benefits at a higher price (better hardware and software) are obvious, but it is also perfectly valid if you want to spend less. It all depends on your budget in the end. It seems unreasonable to rule either option out given that they are both appropriate at their respective price ranges.

Your reasoning is similar to people who only supported netbooks and called anything more expensive a waste of money. Of course it isn't.


RE: Guess this confirms
By retrospooty on 9/7/2012 7:45:27 AM , Rating: 2
I am not seeing a benefit of a $499 ipad 3 over the $299 Fire HD. Both plenty fast, both have insanely great res screens. One is clearly priced way better, thus the assertion, those that know better get better products for cheaper.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:44:39 AM , Rating: 2
You just can't fight this level of ignorance with people with blind hatred.


RE: Guess this confirms
By EnzoFX on 9/7/2012 3:41:19 AM , Rating: 2
and yours screams of ignorance. It amazes me how people can't see the pros and cons of Apple products. All they can see is cons, and they spew their bs. Grow up and recognize the pros and cons of any product, be it Apple or any other.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/8/2012 11:24:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
All they can see is cons, and they spew their bs.
Sounds just like Tony for Apple....


RE: Guess this confirms
By nafhan on 9/6/2012 8:54:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Faster hardware with more apps sounds like the better product to me.
You talking about the Nexus 7?

Anyway... better is pretty subjective, and some people include price in that determination.


RE: Guess this confirms
By jimbojimbo on 9/7/2012 12:24:38 PM , Rating: 2
Why are people obsessed with the number of apps? The thing that should matter is the number of apps you would use! IOS doesn't even have some of the apps I want unless you jailbreak it so it's a dealbreaker for me.
Unless your intention is to install everything from the market the total number of apps is irrelevant. Well, unless you're stupid.


RE: Guess this confirms
By Tony Swash on 9/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: Guess this confirms
By xti on 9/7/2012 9:31:21 AM , Rating: 2
none of these mean anything until someone trumps the apple app store.


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