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Space shuttle Endeavour  (Source: zmescience.com)
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the California Science Center are still moving forward with the transport

It looks like the California Science Center is barking up the wrong tree with its latest project -- cutting down 400 trees to transport NASA space shuttle Endeavour. 
 
Endeavour, which served nearly 30 years in NASA's space shuttle program and completed 25 missions, was retired in 2011 along with the other two members of the program -- Discovery and Atlantis. All three are now being put on display, where Discovery was sent to the National Air and Space Museum Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia and Atlantis was sent to the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex in Florida. 
 
Now, Endeavour will soon be heading to its final resting place, but there's just one problem (actually, more like 400 problems): about 400 trees will have to cut down in order to transport Endeavour to the California Science Center in Los Angeles. It's approximately a 12-mile trip from the Los Angeles airport to the California Science Center, where power lines and traffic will have to be addressed as well.
 
But LA residents aren't upset about possible traffic and power issues during the transport; they're more concerned with the cutting down of 400 tall, old trees. According to some local residents, it would take much too long for the trees to grow back to the point they're at now. 
 
"They are cutting down these really big, majestic trees," said Lark Galloway-Gilliam, a local resident. "It will be beyond my lifetime before they will be tall like this again."
 
However, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the California Science Center don't plan to let 400 trees stop them from having the historic piece of space history on display in their city. The California Science Center even offered to replant twice as many trees in the path that they're cutting. 
 
LA residents countered that cutting the trees isn't only a bad environmental move, but it will also reduce home values in the area. 
 
Endeavour will ultimately make its way to the California Science Center on October 12. 
 

Source: Yahoo News



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RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Paj on 9/5/2012 7:25:02 AM , Rating: 2
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Hippies utterly amaze me. Slice apart a piece of American history or cut down 400 trees that can be replaced.


Conservatives amaze me. Cut down a piece of American history or partially disassemble a machine that doesn't even work anymore, nor ever will again.

I love the space shuttle and all, but old trees are pretty important too. Young trees, fine but with old trees its not as simple as just letting them grow back.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By FITCamaro on 9/5/2012 7:54:48 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason the shuttle doesn't work anymore is because we said so. If we hadn't gutted it, it would still be completely capable of flight.

Trees are not historic. They're trees.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Paj on 9/5/2012 9:53:21 AM , Rating: 2
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Trees are not historic. They're trees.


Methuselah, a bristlecone pine in California, is the oldest known living organism in the world. Something like 4000 years old. Granted these trees don't have that level of significance, but you're saying that's not historic because of the fact that it's a tree?


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Spuke on 9/5/2012 5:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! So you pick the oldest tree as your argument that we can't cut down ANY trees? Those trees are NOT historical monuments, the shuttle IS.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By bah12 on 9/5/2012 10:33:46 AM , Rating: 2
As much as you and Reclaimer would like to make this a left/right issue. It is much more simple. The shuttle is being brought down a street with homes/businesses.

Seriously how can either of you advocate a government body cutting down a 50+ year old tree in your front lot? That's what this is about not hurting the poor tree, but hurting the property owner. It just floored me that you two would be defending a government order to deface private property, for such a trivial thing as a museum pease (regardless of how cool it is). Perhaps you need to reevaluate your point of view on this one.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2012 1:50:33 PM , Rating: 2
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Seriously how can either of you advocate a government body cutting down a 50+ year old tree in your front lot?


Isn't that "progressive"? I'm confused, I thought everything the Government did was great and backwoods morons like me and Fit just didn't get it?


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By corduroygt on 9/5/2012 1:54:12 PM , Rating: 2
The second part of that sentence is definitely true.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By thelostjs on 9/5/2012 10:45:34 PM , Rating: 2


the real headline news here is: whats USA gonna replace the shuttle with?


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By thelostjs on 9/5/2012 11:13:32 PM , Rating: 2
much like a camaro is an obsolete car wayy past due for retirement. so too is the shuttle. it is tired and the last of its kind. the least we can do is chop down these few whippersnappers standing between our majestic symbol of stagnation and its final resting place! let it die gracefully!


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By FaaR on 9/6/2012 7:54:11 AM , Rating: 1
...And of course if you actually lived where those trees are growing you'd be there yelling and screaming that your property value's getting shot to hell and that big gov't is stomping all over the little guy and blaha blahabla and all of that shit you conservatives are so hypocritically uptight about.

...But now all you're on about is how hippies ought to be stomped and that trees have no inherent value (although strangely it costs $1k to cut one down, lol), even though trees and nature is what sustains the echosphere of planet earth, which we of course depend entirely upon.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/12, Rating: 0
RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Etsp on 9/5/2012 9:30:03 AM , Rating: 2
Your logic is a bit flawed. The wood and leaves of the older trees contain most of that carbon that it absorbed as a young tree. Cutting it down would eventually undo any benefit it might have had, as these trees aren't likely to go to a lumber yard to be treated and preserved.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Spuke on 9/5/2012 5:17:54 PM , Rating: 2
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as these trees aren't likely to go to a lumber yard to be treated and preserved.
Why?


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Solandri on 9/5/2012 5:28:34 PM , Rating: 2
The trees are likely too small to be turned into useful lumber.

However, OP's reasoning (that cutting down trees re-introduces into the biosphere the carbon they've sequestered in their wood) leads to an unusual conclusion: We should stop all paper recycling. Immediately.

Paper is made from wood. If we throw paper away, it ends up in a landfill. Core samples from landfills have yielded newspapers from the 1800s pristine enough to still read the print. Landfills are a functional way to sequester carbon in the form of paper and wood.

So if you throw away paper, you're helping sequester carbon underground. If you recycle paper, you're contributing to global warming.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Paj on 9/5/2012 10:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
If you dont understand why trees are important, especially in urban areas, then look it up. Briefly: carbon sinks, transpiration, atmospheric purification, animal habitats, erosion prevention, water table maintenance, biodiversity to name a few.

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The best thing for the environment would be cutting them and replanting.


Glad you're not in charge of anything important.

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The left truly has the most warped sense of morality I've ever heard of. Abortion = GOOD. Cutting down trees = BAD!


Approaching Godwin's in 3...2...1....

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This is not just a piece of American history. It's a critical piece of mankind's history that should be preserved


Agreed. But its not worth cutting down 400 trees over. 40 trees, maybe. But 400 is a lot.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By Reclaimer77 on 9/5/2012 1:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
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If you dont understand why trees are important, especially in urban areas


Can we get real here for a minute? I never said trees weren't important. They are going to plant DOUBLE the amount they cut. The idea that some horrible ecological impact would take place is INSANE. 800 young trees would consume far more CO2 and generate more oxygen than those 400 old ones. FACT!

How many trees do you think get cut down to make room for roads and all this infrastructure spending Obama and the Left talk about?

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Approaching Godwin's in 3...2...1....


Approaching way overused Red Herring internet saying in 3...2...1..

quote:
Agreed. But its not worth cutting down 400 trees over.


Hey if you think you're going to suffocate from 400 trees being cut down and having 800 put in their place, that's your opinion.

This is so stupid I can't believe we're talking about it. I mean...it's just crazy.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By macca007 on 9/6/2012 3:00:22 AM , Rating: 2
Now LOOK, I may as well stop this argument on both sides right now with a little sarcasm.
The World ends on 21st December it doesn't matter either way,Saving trees or the damn shuttle so there! ;)


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By corduroygt on 9/5/2012 10:23:52 AM , Rating: 1
The LEFT is paying for your backwards ass state, so STFU.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By kleinma on 9/5/2012 10:51:29 AM , Rating: 2
While it takes time for trees to become "old", they could just make good by planting 2 new trees for every one they cut down. They could also donate a portion of the money they get from where the shuttle will be on display to some green cause.


RE: Shuttle Clear Cutting
By corduroygt on 9/5/2012 11:00:57 AM , Rating: 2
I take it that you'd be OK with the government forcibly doing this on your property instead of finding a smarter way to transport the shuttle?


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