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Samsung score a victory over Apple

Samsung has had a pretty rough couple of week following its loss to Apple in a California district court. Samsung was found guilty of infringing on various Apple design patents and was ordered to pay $1.05 billion in damages. To add insult to injury, Apple is looking to add the flagship Galaxy S III to the banned list in the U.S.
 
Even with all of that bad news swirling around Samsung, the South Korean company can at least take solace in the fact that its Galaxy S III has knocked the Apple iPhone 4S off its perch as the best-selling smartphone in America.


Samsung Galaxy S III
 
"We believe this is the first month since the iPhone 4S launched in October 2011 that it was not the top-selling smartphone in the U.S. market," said Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley.
 
However, Samsung's victory over Apple may be short-lived. Apple has officially confirmed a September 12 press event to announce the next generation iPhone. Sales will likely start towards the end of September.

Source: CNET



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By JasonMick (blog) on 9/4/2012 2:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
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Newly released product outsells older 11-month-old product
Nice spin, but it still is impressive when you consider that Apple only sells one product, where as Samsung has several "flagship" models, in addition to a broad selection of older budget design.

I agree it's not exactly an Earth shattering development by itself, but it is certainly a telling sign of the unit sales dilemma that Apple is facing despite its extreme profitability.

The danger is that marginalization in the electronics industry has historically happened very quickly and severely -- if Apple's unit sales are small enough, it risks losing its air of superiority and developer edge that are currently driving sales.

The former (losing the brand image battle) is particularly worrisome, as Apple's product is currently overpriced (see its profit margins) due to customers "feeling" it's better, with few tangibles to explain why.

If Apple gets outsold badly enough and is viewed as inferior by the masses, the masses won't be willing to pony up as much cash for the iPhone and profits will slide, which will further exacerbate the sales crunch. That's essentially what happened to its Macs in the 1990s.

Not saying that will happen for sure, but the danger to Apple's future growth is high, even if it is banking record-shattering profits.


By retrospooty on 9/4/2012 2:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... Looking at a 4 inch 4G iPhone 5 with IOS6 compared with the Galaxy S3, the iPhone is already lacking. Fast forward 3 months and we will have a new generation of even better Android devices and the iPhone 5 will still have another 9-12 months to go in its lifecycle. Next year looks like a game changing year.


By JasonMick (blog) on 9/4/2012 2:48:44 PM , Rating: 1
And that's not to mention Windows Phone 8, which is looking gorgeous:

http://www.dailytech.com/Quick+Note+43+Nokia+Lumia...
http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+Announces+48+Alum...
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Announces+Windo...

Whatever chunk of Android market share Apple manages to knock off with bans will likely be gobbled up by Windows Phone 8.

In my opinion iOS is simple and it works, but in terms of UI navigation speed, features, and graphical gloss iOS has fallen well behind both Windows Phone 8 and Android 4.1 Jelly Bean. Apple appears to have no real plan to catch up -- it seems content purely to rest on its laurels, profit take, and try to ban the fresher competition.

What Apple doesn't realize is that if it does somehow manage to kill Android sales with bans, customers aren't going to pick an inferior product, visually dated product (an iPhone). They're going to (by and large) pick Windows Phone.

As much as Reclaimer and I disagree about Windows Phone, I'm pretty sure if his choices were a Samsung Windows Phone 8 or an iPhone, he'd pick the Windows Phone. :)


By retrospooty on 9/4/2012 2:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. I cant wait to try WP8 out, it looks pretty slick. After playing with IOS6 and Android 4.1, I cant help but feel like IOS6 is just... old. Nothing intersting to offer.


By corduroygt on 9/4/2012 2:48:42 PM , Rating: 2
Please explain how iOS has fallen WELL behind in graphical gloss over WP8 and Android 4? WP8 has the simplistic single color icons and Android 4 icon graphics are similar to Apple's.

Android 4 definitely does not scroll any smoother than iOS, iOS is still a tad bit better in that regard.

Also LOL at WP8 being a better product than iphone or android. You need apps for that.


By Jeffk464 on 9/4/2012 2:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
WP8 needs some success to be successful. :) Chicken and egg theory. Its starting to look extremely promising though.


By JasonMick (blog) on 9/4/2012 3:29:43 PM , Rating: 3
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WP8 has the simplistic single color icons and Android 4 icon graphics are similar to Apple's.
Windows 8 has two-color stylized icons, yes, which are visually striking. But sure, some may prefer iOS's jewel/chiclet-style icons.

But my point is that Windows Phone offers other perks -- animated live tiles (not just bland animations like the little notifications numbers in iOS, mind you), varying tile sizes (so as to accommodate fancier animations), more pinning options, and scrolling dynamic font art.

All of these things are available in Android to some extent -- much of it via well configured widgets.

They are absent in iOS 6. That is what I mean.
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Android 4 definitely does not scroll any smoother than iOS, iOS is still a tad bit better in that regard.
Have you used Jelly Bean v. iOS 6 on an iPhone 4S?

I doubt it. Both Windows Phone and Android have improved their scrolling substantially -- to the point where I would argue it's better than Apple's (though it's somewhat of a subjective debate).

I would say WP7.5 and Jelly Bean beat out anything Apple has shown to date in terms of smooth scrolling.
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Also LOL at WP8 being a better product than iphone or android. You need apps for that.
How many?

Windows Phone has over 100,000...
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/3098744/windows-...

Or wait, do we really need 38 clones of Angry Birds instead of 6?


By corduroygt on 9/4/2012 4:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
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animated live tiles (not just bland animations like the little notifications numbers in iOS, mind you), varying tile sizes (so as to accommodate fancier animations), more pinning options, and scrolling dynamic font art.

If this was your main point, I agree. But your original post said graphics, which I found baffling.

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Have you used Jelly Bean v. iOS 6 on an iPhone 4S?

I do not use Beta OS's. iOS5 on an iphone 4S is smooth as butter, especially when scrolling down pages in the browser. I use Android 4.0.4 and the web browser is neither as smooth nor the fonts look as good. Can't comment on Windows Phone.

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Windows Phone has over 100,000...

And iOS/Android are closing in on a 1 million?

The number of apps is irrelevant, but not getting the latest cool app that all your friends are using, or getting it 12 months later, is a purchasing consideration.


By retrospooty on 9/4/2012 5:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
"I use Android 4.0.4 and the web browser is neither as smooth"

So, in other words, no, you have not used the latest version that addressed that issue and is also known to have surpassed Apple.


By corduroygt on 9/4/2012 6:59:35 PM , Rating: 2
Galaxy S3 does not have 4.1 yet, so it's a moot point. It's not an official OS yet just like iOS6.

And "known to have surpassed Apple" LOL.


By retrospooty on 9/4/2012 9:20:13 PM , Rating: 2
OK, Jelly Bean on the Galaxy Nexus with the old 1.2ghz TI OMAP CPU is faster than the iPhone 4s with OS5 and with OS6 beta. There are videos all over you tube comparing the two. Go see for yourself or just STFU.


By corduroygt on 9/4/2012 11:37:24 PM , Rating: 2
It is NOT faster, but finally it stopped skipping when scrolling through browser pages it seems. So it just caught up with the iPhone...after 5 years I guess that's an accomplishment


By retrospooty on 9/5/2012 8:23:54 AM , Rating: 2
You could say the same thing about the 4 inch screen and 4G on the iPhone 5 now Apple is catching up. It is what it is, so lets not pretend it isnt.


By TakinYourPoints on 9/4/2012 9:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
Complaining about graphics is baffling, especially considering that the iPhone still has the best mobile GPU on the market, not to mention developers that actually take advantage of it.

Either way, UI complaints are grasping at straws. Many are happy with Windows XP, the thing that matters is application support. iOS is perfectly fine UI-wise, but its developer support puts it way over the top. If you want to tinker with your UI though, awesome, there are other choices for sure.

WP7/8 has an amazing UI, probably my favorite, but sadly I won't consider it until it gets better hardware and more developers.


By retrospooty on 9/4/2012 10:13:36 PM , Rating: 3
"the thing that matters is application support"

LOL, that is pretty amazing. The one most important thing just happens to be the one thing Apple has an advantage in. Wow, what a stroke of luck.

I guess those of us with the following things are just missing out on the great apps on IOS ;)

- Larger Screens
- Higher resolution screens
- Faster CPU
- 4G
- Better battery life (while powering larger screens)
- Better OS
- Better UI
- Prettier OS
- Faster Voice search (with more features to boot)
- Flexibility in OS (Tons of Custom ROM's, etc)
- Flexibility in hardware (qwerty models, removable batteries, larger models, smaller models, high end models, mid range models, cheap models)
- Micro SD card
- Micro USB
- Plug and play as a flash drive to copy files

That is a long list of advantages, but hey, apps are the most important thing right?


By Belard on 9/5/2012 5:18:34 AM , Rating: 2
Unless you have an iPhon5-new-whatever... your list is speculative.

Larger screen? Its longer, not larger. Not larger than most Android phones.

Higher resolution? Nope... just longer.

Faster CPU, should be, its new.

Better OS? Hard to judge. More opinion than fact.

Better looking UI? iOS hasn't changed in 5+ years. Its fine, it works... and is IS starting to look dated. But its also its selling point.

Much of your list is... blah.

The iPhone 5 will sell very well... that is for sure.


By retrospooty on 9/5/2012 8:21:55 AM , Rating: 2
I was sarcastically showing Androids advantages over the iPhone... That list is Android, not iPhone5.


By Belard on 9/5/2012 5:15:18 AM , Rating: 2
Download Launcher7 (google play store) - it even does things WP7/8 cannot do... rotate tiles to match orientation of the phone. User option to color individual tiles. My tiles are blue, but my CALL one is green.

Its free... its very nice.

So, I'm not buying a WP7 or WP8 device. Also with the HD resolution screen... the bland colors of WP7/8 is not going to cut it.


By Jeffk464 on 9/4/2012 2:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, Samsung is making the first impressively specd windows phone yet. Next year might see MS start to grab market share if the samsung phone is any indication. So apple wont just be fighting a strong android market but maybe a gaining windows phone market. Wouldn't be overly surprising to me if in a few years the market will see adroid #1, wp8 #2, and iOS #3.


By Ammohunt on 9/4/2012 2:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
if it were just a device by device race i would tend to agree with you but like many others i don't want an iPhone 5 just to make phone calls... i want one because it integrates seamlessly with my preferred media platform iTunes/Apple store etc.. it also seamlessly integrates with that with my other apple devices like appletv and ipad in other words Apple != RIM.


By MadMan007 on 9/4/2012 2:57:49 PM , Rating: 2
aka...you are already locked in. That's the one major advantage Apple will retain for a good number of years in the US.


By andrewaggb on 9/4/2012 2:44:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yep. I've been saying this for a while. Apple just wants to get a monopoly. Then they can get slapped with a few lawsuits (like microsoft and intel were), but who cares when you control the whole market. A lot of good a few anti trust lawsuits did for novell, amd, etc.

They will sue and ban and do whatever they can to get market share, app share, etc. I don't blame them, it's good business. They're winning over die hards, have a way better app store, great looking products, etc.

Go into staples, best buy, etc, and apple is prominently displayed, on their own tables, front and center, everybody else is crap on the sides.

If it wasn't for samsung and htc putting up a decent fight in the cell phone market, they'd own that market as well.

Microsoft has a chance with Windows 8, but they really needed it + surface out a year ago.


By NellyFromMA on 9/4/2012 3:08:17 PM , Rating: 3
As much as many hate to admit it, Steve Jobs really was a bright mind. It just wasn't so much over technology as it was about supply and demand and how to keep the dynamic favorable for Apple.

I don't think Tim Cook is too saavy in this regard and I feel as though we have seen Apple at its prime as it pertains to the consumer's perspective.

Apple was thought of as a premium device, or so the pitch went. That simply isn't true today to anyone who has a partial tech clue. I don't even know what Apple could do to re-ignite that. It largely only got that image as a result of being the first to make substantial inroads in the mobile market.

Now there are enough also-rans that frankly Apple just doesn't stand out like it used to.

It's relying on iPad hype IMO to continue that futuristic 'here first' image but thats about to be largely overshadowed by Surface and the rest of the W8 portfolio.

The big test IMO for Apple will be how entrenched in public school system the iPad will be. If it fails to find new markets to create, it will lose consumer interest as Apple has effectively saturated the various markets it has invaded and I think consumer's are somwwhat fatigued with very evolutionaly generations of the iPhone.


By Tony Swash on 9/4/2012 8:31:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As much as many hate to admit it, Steve Jobs really was a bright mind. It just wasn't so much over technology as it was about supply and demand and how to keep the dynamic favorable for Apple.

I don't think Tim Cook is too saavy in this regard and I feel as though we have seen Apple at its prime as it pertains to the consumer's perspective.


That is such an epic fail. Steve Jobs was at the cutting edge of the industry for forty years while Tim Cooke is considered one of, if not the best, supply chain manager on the planet.

The iPhone sales dip before it's refresh every year and every year it's whipped up into the beginning of the end for Apple.

Now the bricks lay on Grand Street
Where the neon madmen climb
They all fall there so perfectly
It all seems so well timed
And here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice


By Shadowself on 9/4/2012 3:03:11 PM , Rating: 2
Jason, you know as well as anyone else that the primary reason for the fall in iPhone sales in the past month is because for well over a month it has been rumored that Apple will introduce a new iPhone by the middle of September (and the exact date has been rumored for about a months).

Virtually anyone who has been seriously considering an iPhone purchase and who knows the industry at all has heard these rumors. The rumors have created a mini Osborne effect: don't buy the current iPhone because the new one is rumored to have this, that or another thing that is so much better -- from a better/bigger screen to a faster processor to LTE to NFC to wireless output supporting 4K resolution. Hell, I even read a rumor a month ago claiming it was 100% fact that Apple will skip LTE and go right to LTE-Advanced. Whether *any* of those things materialize is irrelevant. The people who are even the least bit plugged into the industry who still want an iPhone didn't buy one since the second half of July -- unless of course they had to in order to replace an iPhone that was damaged somehow.

If the new iPhone (whatever Apple calls it) is not the top selling individual model in December or January then your rationale of having lost its perceived leadership position may become valid. No one is going to take today's announcement as such a loss when Apple sent out an invitation today for what virtually everyone believes will be an announcement for the next iPhone.

And... "when you consider that Apple only sells one product" is false. Apple (and the carriers) sell three products: 3GS, 4, and 4S. While most vendors sell many more models than just three, it is inaccurate to say that Apple sells only one product.

And... your explanation of what happened to the Mac in the 90's is just wrong. Apple built many, many, many different models of Macs that even Apple's own staff could not tell apart or the benefits of one model over another. Apple routinely alienated developers leading to over 100 times as many titles on Windows based machines than on Macs. Apple refused to pay bounties (spiffs) to employees of computer stores while other companies did thus Macs were almost never recommended to buyers. Apple had an OS that was truly stuck in the 80s -- as was their development environment. Apple's top model, the iMac, in the 90s sold no where near as many systems as other vendors. Hell, the iMac, in the 90s, never made it into the top 10 of configurations sold. However, it is often credited (incorrectly) with Apple's comeback.


By Belard on 9/5/2012 5:35:11 AM , Rating: 2
The first iMac was releasd mid 1998... hardly the 90s. It sold very well as Apple was digging itself out of its hole.

It replaced pretty much their entire consumer line. And cleared out the mess with all the various Macs and Perfomas (lower end spec Mac without the Mac name).

And yes, its part of Apple's comeback... for consumers. It was never targeted for pros. That is what Macs were for. A few months later in 1999 - the MacPro towers (white and blue) started shipping... the beige line was killed by then.


By Cheesew1z69 on 9/5/2012 4:17:02 PM , Rating: 2
98....that would be the 90's....


By Tony Swash on 9/4/2012 6:57:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
if Apple's unit sales are small enough, it risks losing its air of superiority and developer edge that are currently driving sales.


That made me spit my tea on my desk. "if Apple's unit sales are small enough". Best joke all week, it's the way you tell them!

quote:
The former (losing the brand image battle) is particularly worrisome, as Apple's product is currently overpriced (see its profit margins) due to customers "feeling" it's better, with few tangibles to explain why.


This was almost as funny but lacked the punch of your one liner.

quote:
If Apple gets outsold badly enough and is viewed as inferior by the masses, the masses won't be willing to pony up as much cash for the iPhone and profits will slide, which will further exacerbate the sales crunch. That's essentially what happened to its Macs in the 1990s.

Not saying that will happen for sure, but the danger to Apple's future growth is high, even if it is banking record-shattering profits.


I guess as ever - Apple are doooomed!


By Samus on 9/5/2012 1:41:52 AM , Rating: 2
Good point Jason. My family has a Galaxy S II, Conquer 4G and a Transform Ultra. All Samsung phones, and the SII was just recently purchased, but none are the SIII.

It's hard to even consider an SIII over the SII because I think the older Galaxy looks better, feels better, and has a better (albeit lower-resolution) non-Pentile screen.

It's funny to think of all the Samsung products I own, but none are an SIII, nor are their plans to get an SIII. I'm sure MANY people are in the same boat, which makes this sales achievement even more amazing.


By Belard on 9/5/2012 5:07:11 AM , Rating: 2
Should have gone with a Galaxy Nexus... nice phone. Has pretty much all the specs of a galaxy 3 - with a better textured and looking back cover.

I like it over the GS3. Its hardware is slightly older.


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