quote: It cannot live without the support of it's mother/machine, so by the definition you gave it is not alive.
quote: Also note I am not claiming to be an arbiter of that, you are inserting language into my posts I didn't use and attacking your own language, which is a straw-man fallacy.
quote: An unwanted child is better off alive then dead.
quote: I agree that some people are not good parents and don't want their children, or mistreat them throughout the child's life. However that doesn't justify killing the child.
quote: What does our composition have to do with absolutely anything? You are factually biologically ALIVE when as soon as you are conceived.
quote: Many people cannot effectively care for themselves let alone another human - so if a few of these inept would-be mothers are SMART enough to acknowledge this and decide to end a pregnancy before it spawns a problem
quote: Furthermore, whether or not it is alive is irrelevant. To humans, the value of life is evaluated on a sliding scale based on relatively ambiguous observations and perceptions. An embryo falls below insects on this scale because an insect is, at least, a fully developed creature.
quote: You said that human life begins when the human in question can survive without the environment provided by the mother's body.
quote: No one agrees that killing a human being not convicted of any crime is moral. It is rather difficult for a fetus to commit a crime.
quote: You are accusing me of judging the value of human life, then you claim that you know what constitutes a life quality index below which death is preferable.
quote: Actually a human being at any stage of it's development is still biologically a human being. Life is a continous process that begins at conception and ends at death
quote: Plopping an embryo on a table and have someone observe it is entirely beside the point. We are not discussing the appearance of a human being, we are talking about what biologically constitutes a human being. Nice red herring.
quote: Actually, whether someone is alive or not is very relevant. Which humans are worth less than others by your ambiguous observations and perceptions? I believe that any member of the species homo sapiens is worth as much as any other. I'm curious to hear which ones you ambiguously perceive to be worth less than others.