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California lawmakers want driverless cars legalized within the state

Few will argue with the fact that one of the only ways to eliminate distracted driving is to completely remove the driver from the equation. This is in part what automated, driverless vehicles -- such as the fleet that Google is operating around the country -- promise. The cars are expected to be safer because distracted drivers will no longer be an issue. Google's driverless fleet has racked up 300,000 accident-free miles.
 
Driverless vehicles can also allow those who were unable to drive themselves to get around without having to seek assistance. Other than making the roads safer, driverless cars also promise to decrease congestion and delays on the nation's roadways by eliminating accidents.
 
California is making moves to get these driverless vehicles on its state roads with one California legislator introducing a bill seeking to clarify that driverless cars are street legal. Google continues to be one of the major driving forces behind driverless vehicles, although there are other companies working in the industry.
 
Google believes that it has the computer science knowledge and financial strength to bring driverless cars to reality for Americans. "It's amazing to me that we (even) let humans drive cars," Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt said a few years ago.
 
A lot of the technology needed for driverless vehicles is already available, and some vehicles on the streets today have many of the components needed to make this feat possible. Industry Association Auto Alliance represents Toyota, Ford, GM, BMW, and other major automakers. According to Auto Alliance, its members are individually exploring autonomous vehicle technology, and the association says that great strides have been made in the past decade.
 
Ford and GM, for instance, are working on autonomous braking technology that allows the car to bring itself to a complete stop when radar and other sensors the vehicle use sense an impending accident.
 
While some state legislators in California are trying to get the vehicles legalized for road use within the state, other states such as Nevada already allow driverless cars to operate on its roads.

Source: Detroit News



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RE: I drive casue I have to
By Reclaimer77 on 8/23/2012 1:56:45 PM , Rating: 0
Why do you keep using the word "legal"? Are you actually saying driving my own goddamn vehicle, that I paid money for, should be "illegal"?

See this is my problem with you people. Why can't you just agree to live and let live? Instead you have to micromanage people and try to dictate to them.

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you think something should be legal because you enjoy it regardless of it's impact on other people.


How am I "impacting" other people by driving? And there you go again with the "legal" thing. What?

Why can't you just support self-driving cars WITHOUT the need to use them as a blunt weapon against those who want to drive their own vehicles? If it wasn't for people like you, I would love the idea of automatic car systems. But noooo, you just can't help yourself. You have to try and make my life worst!

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My taxes go to providing for National parks, but I can't go there and start doing something illegal just because it would be fun.


What?? How should driving ever be made illegal? STOP FUCKING SAYING ILLEGAL!!!


RE: I drive casue I have to
By nafhan on 8/23/2012 2:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
I think we're off on a bit of a tangent. In case I didn't make it clear: I'm not saying anything about "should" or "good vs. evil". I was speaking from the point of view of a hypothetical future with self driving cars and some of the possible legal ramifications of that future. I am kind of jerk, and I apologize for that :)

Anyway, I don't see "manual driving" becoming illegal anytime soon, especially considering that self driving cars are not truly usable at this point. Honestly, if a car purchased today was still worth keeping on the road by the time something like this happens, I would be surprised. Plus, there would almost certainly be a "phase out" period for manually driven vehicles that would last years if not decades. Your investment in your current vehicle is safe... IMO.
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How am I "impacting" other people by driving?
Even for the 70% or so of people who consider themselves better than average drivers, driving is a dangerous activity, and personal (i.e. other persons) safety would probably be the number one reason why it might be made illegal. Also, I am not getting your reasoning regarding why laws regarding driving should stay the same forever. Things change. Laws need to adapt to the changes.

If you want a more realistic example: would you be able to handle yourself tightly packed on the road with a bunch of self driving cars going 200Mph+? There's probably only a handful of people in the world truly qualified to deal with that situation, but that's exactly the type of thing that could be commonplace on a completely automated roadway. They would literally have to have special "slow lanes" for manual drivers, and at some point that would not be viable in most areas.


RE: I drive casue I have to
By 91TTZ on 8/23/2012 4:16:24 PM , Rating: 2
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Also, I am not getting your reasoning regarding why laws regarding driving should stay the same forever. Things change. Laws need to adapt to the changes.


It seems like whenever someone proposes a really bad idea that flies in the face of all reality, proponents of that idea always fall back on the argument that "things change" and that other people need to "adapt to the changes". That reasoning seems to assume that your idea of change is inevitable and that that majority who is against that idea needs to get in line with the minority that wants that change.

Watch me apply that idea:

"In the future people will have to pay extra taxes to ensure that I can live in a castle. While people may not like the idea at first, it's the responsible thing to do and everyone needs to pay their fair share. Things change. You just need to learn to adapt to those changes and move on with your life."


RE: I drive casue I have to
By nafhan on 8/23/2012 5:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
So, which part are you disagreeing with: you think self driving cars will not exist, or that laws will not need to change to take them into account?

My previous statements are based on the assumption that the majority will overwhelmingly be interested in self driving cars; not some minority cabal inflicting self driving cars upon the poor minority, and I'm discussing it from that point of view. This, I think, is a more likely possible future than you getting a castle...


RE: I drive casue I have to
By 91TTZ on 8/23/2012 4:34:48 PM , Rating: 2
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If you want a more realistic example: would you be able to handle yourself tightly packed on the road with a bunch of self driving cars going 200Mph+? There's probably only a handful of people in the world truly qualified to deal with that situation, but that's exactly the type of thing that could be commonplace on a completely automated roadway.


The 55 mph speed limit was created in order to conserve fuel, not for safety. Since aerodynamic drag squares with speed, speed quickly becomes the #1 cause of decreased fuel economy for any given vehicle. A vehicle that gets 30 mpg at 55 mph will get about 7 mpg at 160 mph. And you want to go 200 mph? You're talking about vehicles that get about 5 mpg or less. How is that an improved future?


RE: I drive casue I have to
By nafhan on 8/23/2012 5:24:49 PM , Rating: 2
The 200mph thing is an example of something we could not do at all, today. That's it. Just like today's cars, a self driving car would most likely be able to travel at varying levels of speed as appropriate. It does seem likely that most of the time that speed would probably be closer to 55 rather than 200.


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