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Acer and other PC makers lower forecasts for second half 2012 PC shipments

While many PC makers saw the coming of Windows 8 as an opportunity for growth and increased competition against Apple, those feelings are slowly fading.
 
Acer Inc., Quanta Computer Inc. and Compal Electronics Inc., three major PC makers, have all lost hope in Windows 8 being the savior of PC sales for the second half of fiscal year 2012. This opinion differs from those heard by the same PC makers earlier this year, who were happy to show off Windows 8 laptops, all-in-ones and ultrabooks at the Computex trade show in Taipei. Acer even said that Windows 8 PCs would bring growth to his company once again. 
 
But these opinions changed as PC makers see no customer enthusiasm for personal computers running the Windows 8 operating system. Another issue, according to analysts and the PC makers, is that Windows 8 laptops and ultrabooks will likely be much too expensive upon release. 
 
J.T. Wang, CEO of Acer, said he has grown unsure of the Windows 8 ecosystem. His company is lowering its expectations for PC sales upon Windows 8's release.
 
"Originally, we were expecting very high growth in the second half," said Wang. "We're still waiting for a sign of consumer enthusiasm."
 
Analysts are changing their sales forecasts as well, mainly due to the fact that some believe it'll take three to four financial quarters for consumers to get onboard with Windows 8. It won't take off right away. Rather, Microsoft will have to seek out developers for more applications in order to grab consumer interest.
 
While the PC turf isn't looking so hot, mobile devices may not be so disappointing. The price of touchscreens and tablets running Windows 8 may be an issue, especially because there are many cheaper alternatives, but consumers have shown greater enthusiasm for Microsoft's Surface tablet
 
Windows 8 has been a pretty controversial topic. The main issue seems to be the user interface, formerly called Metro. It features colorful tiles that represent different applications on the home screen. The change was a hopeful move to attract new users (perhaps those normally enticed by Apple's colorful and friendly-looking operating systems). However, Microsoft is looking to change the name of Metro after a recent discovery -- a German retailer called Metro AG threatened to sue. 
 
Windows 8 will be released to the public on October 26

Source: ETrade



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Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/21/2012 12:52:30 PM , Rating: 1
"Sounds like user aren't that enthusiastic about Windows 8"
I currently have Windows 8 installed on my computer and guess what - it's a big failure. I hate the way its interface is designed - they didn't even think of something original - they copied it from Office and the problem is that whenever you want to get things done, if you are quick, just like me, you end up clicking on the wrong button because they're too small and too close to each other.
Another thing is not being able to customize it properly, the same issue 7 has.
They screwed lot of things up - I wasn't even able to place a My Computer shortcut on the desktop - doing so from the Start menu is just IMPOSSIBLE. How idiot can you be in order not to allow a user to create a shortcut from the Start menu?
The options are very limited and to turn off my computer I had to become a scientific researcher - you won't believe the amount of bullshit(excuse my language) they put into Windows 8 to make it more difficult to use - they Turn off, restart, and log off options are hidden under a rather secret menu that is quite difficult to access - especially if you're running a dual screen set-up , like me.
You know what? I will skip this version of Windows and I hope Microsoft has the same fate EA games seems to have - that's when they fucking realize it's US who command things on OUR CASH. Who do they think they get their money from?
OUR POCKETS!
I hope Microsoft realizes they need to listen to the end-user (a.k.a. the customer, you idiots!) when it comes to a product designed for them, otherwise, prepare for a big failure in the market as people won't buy your bullshit - I would never buy 8 - not even if they paid me to do so - why?
The money goes to a company that doesn't give a damn about me - who do you think you are, Microsoft? Who?
Say what?
Windows Phone 7....no free upgrade to 7.5?
Have you ever thought about looking up the word "design" in a dictionary, fools?
What's going on with your design engineers?
What's going on with you Microsoft?
I hope it won't be too late you realize you'll end up being in free fall when customers will understand how you screw us!
Blocking us from making Windows boot directly to desktop?!
Are you crazy?! Screw you and your products then! WE, the customers who pay for your products, have the ultimate command on them - if I'm not right, then watch out...there are alternatives - by the way - I'm still running XP SP3 on a quad core, 16GB of RAM DDR3, and the 2GB HD6950...
Don't you think that if we buy more recent hardware we'll buy your OS too....screw you until you get stuff right.
BTW, word on the street is that your so originally called "Windows 8" will be as much of a "Vista 2.0" as it already seems to be...we will see how stupid your engineers can get - Einstein once said:
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity - and I'm not completely sure about the SECOND one.
Watch out - you're heading in a wrong direction - and you'll end up paid (instead of getting paid) for that. Keep that in mind.
Oh, and BTW, I think your UI could've also been called Carrefour, eBay, Amazon or so...so you can drop the Metro name and use one of those instead - you will definitely be successful like that!
Keep it up! XP was released in 2001 and you started work on it in the late '90s - it still rocks and a lot of computers still have XP as their main OS, just like my PC, on which I have XP,7 and your "OS" , Windows "8"....wasting my free disk space...
All you companies who don't care about your customers' opinions really deserve to burn in deep pain in order to understand who commands what - keep going like this, but don't run back crying to your mommy when your sales are unexpectedly low - you already know what the reason for that will be. I'm never going to buy Microsoft products - not even keyboards, mice or anything else - because this company thinks it's the boss in the industry when they aren't $h!t.
A lot of my friends think likewise...and it will become a common feeling and phenomenon among us, the end users...
Bing - a big fail
Windows Phone 7 - a big fail
Windows "8" - a big fail
You had better call Bill Gates and tell him to fire the current CEO for being incompetent and idiot, Microsoft - Steve Ballmer's place is somewhere in a hospital.
And don't forget - I hate Apple as a whole company - I USED TO BE as much of a crazy fan of Microsoft as I love computers - I am not that anymore...I now hate Microsoft for destroying its name and its products on a daily basis. :(




RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By cknobman on 8/21/2012 1:42:51 PM , Rating: 3
Pills are goood. Pills are good.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By amanojaku on 8/21/2012 3:20:26 PM , Rating: 3
Having read the post in its entirety, it's clear that the OP doesn't need pills. He needs a billy goat, cuz he's trollin'.

He's complaining about the Start Menu in Windows 8. THERE IS NO START MENU!!! And, on the off chance that he meant Windows 7, his statement is false. I just opened my Start Menu, click-and-dragged "Computer" to the desktop, and got a link. The wall of text often hides BS.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By Cypherdude1 on 8/21/2012 9:00:36 PM , Rating: 2
The OP meant Windows 8 about the Computer link. Until March, 2011, I was using a 10 year old Windows XP SP3 system. I assembled the hardware myself in 2001. It has an AMD Thunderbird 1400 MHz, that's a single core BTW, and 1 GB DDR ECC RAM. It also has Win98SE . Both O/S's still work fine with no problems.

Last year I built a completely new Windows 7 64 bit system and there are some things I don't like about it:
Explorer: I don't like how M$ removed the amount of space a folder uses from the status bar. It's really irritating. The only way you can tell how much a folder uses is to right-click - properties. If anyone knows a tweak which can put it back please LMK.

Explorer: I don't like how M$ removed the button toolbar just below the menu. Again, if anyone knows a tweak which can put it back please LMK.

Explorer: I don't like how the "search" feature, or what's left of it, works. M$ completely removed the search function from 7. 7's search function is virtually nonexistent. M$'s Explorer search function is so poor, I often use Nirsoft's SearchMyFiles instead.

Explorer: I don't like how when you sort by file modified dates descending, the folders go to the bottom of the list. This is yet another irritating change.

It appears the new Windows 8 interface will take some getting used to. Either that or users will hate it. Today, and this is new, Microsoft does have a tendency to jam features people don't want down their throats. I think this is coming from billionaire Steve Ballmer. Microsoft has a monopoly and, IMHO, Steve Ballmer thinks he can do whatever he pleases.

Still, I think Windows 8 will do better for tablets, not desktops or laptops. I think that's what Win8 is meant for. A tablet with a $220 256GB mSATA SSD should pair very well with Win8.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0085J17UA

If someone were to make a high-end tablet with the following features, it could almost replace your desktop or laptop:
Windows 8
10" or 13" screen
Quad-core CPU
8 GB RAM
256 GB mSATA SSD
4 speakers in the back, similar to the Lenovo S2109:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0089SZ8PM
USB 3.0
SD slot
Docking station port
10 MP camera
micro HDMI

Someday they'll have tablets where their screens can fold in half. This will allow for much larger screen space. However, I think a 13" or even a 15" conventional screen is still manageable.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By someguy123 on 8/22/2012 1:44:45 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Explorer: I don't like how M$ removed the amount of space a folder uses from the status bar. It's really irritating. The only way you can tell how much a folder uses is to right-click - properties. If anyone knows a tweak which can put it back please LMK.


Just hover your mouse over the folder.

quote:
• Explorer: I don't like how M$ removed the button toolbar just below the menu. Again, if anyone knows a tweak which can put it back please LMK.


Don't think this can be done without registry tweaks....but why? It takes so much more effort than the copy paste hotkeys or even simply right clicking.

quote:
• Explorer: I don't like how the "search" feature, or what's left of it, works. M$ completely removed the search function from 7. 7's search function is virtually nonexistent. M$'s Explorer search function is so poor, I often use Nirsoft's SearchMyFiles instead.


I don't even understand this one. Windows indexing is still there and they added in program search to the start menu. They didn't remove the search function.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By daar on 8/23/2012 1:41:50 AM , Rating: 2
I've had issues with Win7 indexing, it feels as if certain files do not get indexed and when I search a folder after a few weeks, fully knowing the file is there, it won't show up. I've never touched the settings and my copy of Windows is up to date so not sure what's up.

That still, while there were other small annoyances, I've been happy with Win7 and generally always upgraded to the newest OS. Having heard of issues described by some friends, this might be the first OS I skip.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By falqon on 8/21/2012 1:49:08 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I'm still running XP SP3 on a quad core, 16GB of RAM DDR3, and the 2GB HD6950...


You sir, are not very bright.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By ritualm on 8/21/2012 2:33:32 PM , Rating: 2
Contrary to what you think, XP remains in widespread use in corporate environments.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By headbox on 8/21/2012 2:41:32 PM , Rating: 2
very true- my wife's work just gave her a new Dell with Core i7, 4 GB RAM... and Windows XP. And she develops medical records software for the largest hospital in the state.


By muhahaaha on 8/22/2012 2:29:19 AM , Rating: 2
Tell us the name of the company please, because I don't want my medical records going public. No one needs to know that I smoke crack on a daily tech basis!


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By amanojaku on 8/21/2012 2:57:34 PM , Rating: 5
You're missing the point.
quote:
I'm still running XP SP3 on a quad core, 16GB of RAM DDR3, and the 2GB HD6950...
XP 32-bit doesn't use more than 4GiB of RAM. Unless this guy is running 64-bit Pro, has the appropriate drivers, and the right software, he's wasting hardware. And I'm pretty sure he's running 32-bit, because he said he's got SP3. There is no SP3 for 64-bit Pro.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By xti on 8/21/2012 3:05:25 PM , Rating: 2
epic


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By woofersus on 8/21/2012 3:06:34 PM , Rating: 3
Not to mention horrible driver support for XP x64.

Also with a that video card, (2GB VRAM) hardware address space reservations mean his system is probably only seeing around 1.5GB.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By Schmide on 8/21/2012 3:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
Not true. Video ram has a very small window and would probably not exceed 512mb. The 2gb is still addressable through banked access.

32bit programs on all platforms (xp, xp64 7, 7x64, etc) see similar environments, the biggest difference is x64 bit os(s) can optimize a lot of the buffers out of the 32bit address space. The 32bit environment is still limited, even in a 64 bit os.

PS you're posting from a 32bit environment.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By woofersus on 8/21/2012 4:15:04 PM , Rating: 2
I stand corrected on the address space requirements of the video card.

I realize that the 32-bit version of firefox I'm using is limited, although my OS is definitely of the 64-bit variety, so it is making use of all of my RAM. Lots of software is still 32-bit only, so that should be no surprise. Of course if my firefox session were running up against the 32-bit memory address space limitations, that would be an indication that I have bigger problems. ;)

That's not the only issue, though. Regardless of xp's ability to recognize the memory, only 2GB is designated for user space. Without the registry hack xp won't utilize more then 2GB for actually running the OS.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By lexluthermiester on 8/24/2012 2:10:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Without the registry hack xp won't utilize more then 2GB for actually running the OS.


Actually, that not correct. Ram is allocated on a per-instance basis[IE a per-executable basis]. So each executable can be allocated 2GB of RAM. Though the XP system exe's don't need that much to do it's job, the collective group of system executables could, in real world, take up more than 2GB of system ram, and without hacks.

And FYI, I have seen a 48bit memory manager running in WinXP that can recognize and use more than 4GB of system ram. It was an experiment that was seemingly successful. Not sure how it was made or implemented. But it seemed stable. This kinda proved to me that all of this "32bit 4GB limit" is a load of crap. MS just wanted to push more $h!t we don't need or want.

I've been forcing myself to try out Win8. And with each passing day I grow more weary of it. WinME could be tweaked to work right and stable. Vista was the same, but was still a resource hog. Win8 is not as pliable. On the mobile front, it may find success. But on the Desktop front, my guess is that it will be a disaster. Even if they gave it to me for free, I wouldn't use it. I'm sticking with WinXP and Win7.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 1:46:34 PM , Rating: 2
AMEN TO THAT!


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 1:45:18 PM , Rating: 2
Look, I'm running XP x64 right now.
I'm using 8.07GB of RAM (a bit more than 50% of the total amount I have).
I have Firefox opened with a ton of tabs, Rockemelt, Chrome, folders , Photoshop, PowerISO, Winamp...etc.
I see Chrome alone using about 4.9GB of RAM after all tabs are loaded.
Yes, 4.9GB worth of RAM - that's why I have:
Chrome, Firefox,Rocketmelt,Maxthon,Opera. Because of the tabs.
So I see no issue with software using my RAM like that - as long as the RAM is there, the software can use it - please remember that software like Chrome actually use a process for each tab you open - I doubt you can make a Google Chrome tab use more than 4GB anyway....so if Chrome takes up 4.9GB of RAM alone, it's because there are a ton of tabs that take up RAM and if you put everything together...that's the amount of RAM Chrome, as a program, uses when it's run.


By TheJian on 9/7/2012 2:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
wrong...All cards supported, nics, vids (nvidia/amd update at the same time 32&64 drivers), creative Audigy 1-4, etc. While I don't have xfi in any family members PC, I'm guessing drivers are there for those too (if not under x64, then under server2003 x64 versions which work fine in almost ALL cases).

Prove what you say. I can't find anything in my house or any relatives house (all running 64 xp pro - some dualboot win7's) that are not supported with updated drivers. Of course I do check before I buy something, but I can always go into win7 when the day comes I purchase something that doesn't have xp64 drivers. But I still can't find that. :)


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By SPOOFE on 8/21/2012 3:19:43 PM , Rating: 2
That's the sort of thing that really makes his horrifically formatted rant seem like a reasonable source of accurate information! I totally trust his opinion on all matters computer.


By DJ Brandon on 8/21/2012 6:50:32 PM , Rating: 3
Actually it's more like 3.3/3.4 at max


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By DJ Brandon on 8/21/2012 7:00:33 PM , Rating: 2
I so got you beat.....

I am running a Windows ME SP1 w/
16 GB DDR3 Ram
3rd Gen Core i7 2.2 Ghz
8 Terabyte Solid State drive
USB 4.0


By Mitch101 on 8/21/2012 8:09:40 PM , Rating: 2
Im running Microsoft BOB.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 1:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
You got yourself beat, my friend...

When software has support for an OS and when alternatives aren't that great, I choose the best option for me.
So go ahead and brag about how you run a 4TH generation Core i9 9,8GHz deca-core CPU paired with a 9 exabyte single platter HDD connected via SATA 15 and running Windows ME SP0.1 ...
Believe it or not, my system is NOTHING to brag about - if you're a DailyTech reader, if you ever looked for benchmark results and all that...you'd know AMD is far from being awesome with their latest and greatest.
There are systems out there that really deserve to be called "gaming machines" or "extremely powerful computers"...but don't look at my computer like that....because it's nothing out of this world.Honestly - if I had a latest gen i7,SSDs in RAID0, 9TB of HDD space, quad-blu ray burners, 8x24" LED screens, quad-CFX HD7970(or quad-SLI for the GTX680) and stuff like that....maybe I would've had a right to brag about my computer being powerful. May I remind you my CPU was release 3 light years ago?
3 years is a lot when it comes to technology...


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 1:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
It seems you are the one missing the point here, amanojaku.
I AM RUNNING Windows XP X64/64-bit Service Pack 3 - I can play GTA IV(which only runs on XP SP3 and no other version of XP, btw).
There is a hack in the registry that allows you to make XP look like SP3 although it's still SP2.
Read some documents before commenting - because you're missing the point.


By TheJian on 9/7/2012 2:02:42 PM , Rating: 2
I hope that was just a mistake on his part...LOL. No sp3 for x64, despite it being my favorite OS for actually getting something done.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By Uncle on 8/21/2012 2:44:19 PM , Rating: 1
Its OK as long as he's not connected to the net except for gaming , and if he is , he doesn't go where he shouldn't. So its strictly a gaming machine, kudos for him. I wouldn't doubt he gets a few frames more then you running a newer OS. Its a tough call.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:03:04 PM , Rating: 2
Uncle,

I dual boot XP SP3 x64 AND 7 x64.(oh, I forgot - I formatted the Windows 7 partition to put Windows 8 on it so I've got XP and 8). And I know there can be a ton of exploits for XP that AV and Anti-Malware software won't be able to deal with...I've got avast! paired with Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and I can say I'm pretty happy from a security standpoint although I could also give Kaspersky Internet Security another try too...
I'll reinstall 7 x64 and dual boot like that...like some manufacturers said "we'll skip Windows 8"...right now I'm 150% sure I will do that too (unless it will be here to stay just like XP was - or actually still is...)...but since M$ is so hungry for money - I doubt Windows 8 will be around for more than 4 years or so - but again...who knows...


By TheJian on 9/7/2012 2:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
Been connected on xp64 since the day it came out...

Updates come weekly/monthly just like win7 :) Corp anyway and will continue to do so all through 2014 (7/2014 I think? if memory serves)
You haven't heard of virus protection, firewalls or routers? I have the same protection you do including updated os patches. Who's not running corp xp? Even out of date, threatfire w/comodo suite and a router is all anyone needs. I'm a little miffed at threatfire for being incompatible with Daemontools but other than that this setup is great, albeit changing to alcohol for mounting images. No loss. I use imgburn etc for burning anyway. Zonealarm etc can be subbed for Comodo. I haven't had a virus in my entire life, well we're not talking colds/flus right?


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By JediJeb on 8/21/2012 2:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
My main box is still an AthlonXP2400M with 1.5GB with a RadeonX700 running XP. Does all I need it to do, why upgrade?


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By Uncle on 8/21/2012 3:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
Said that years ago, can the new machine make me type any faster.:)


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By RU482 on 8/21/2012 4:41:45 PM , Rating: 2
funny what some swollen capacitors will do to a statement like this


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By bupkus on 8/22/2012 6:32:08 AM , Rating: 2
I wax nostalgic.


By TheJian on 9/7/2012 2:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
Umm...I have a dual boot running x64 XP Pro. See's all my mem, has all current drivers (get hit every month from my radeon 5850 updates from AMD), nic, wireless edimax, Creative Audigy4 etc. Nothing in my pc isn't supported by drivers in XP64. Meaning not that MS default crap. Actual drivers from the device maker supporting xp64. I've yet to run into something I can't run in xp64, though I default a lot to win7 x64 now just to pass the mcts next week or two (for giggles). I think many companies will now be planning win7 upgrades since they have had a good look at Win8 and will now realize they need to pass on this OS, so 7 will get more popular for anyone thinking Win8 would be their next move from XP. Not now. XP to Win7 because 8 just sucks for desktops/laptops.

As the other poster said, XP is running in a good 1/2 or more of the companies out there (I'd say more like 60+% but that's a guess based on last I checked being 70+ - I'm assuming some improvement). They see no point in win7 with a decent IT dept there is no need. NO training updates for your entire workforce either. Win8 will bomb on all but tables/phones (which oddly...LOL...Is what it's built for). Updates will be done through mid 2014 on xp in enterprise also. If companies don't freak again at that point and MS extends support even longer. Even in companies where win7 is in use, applocker, bitlocker etc are not usually used. Libraries just confuse users, hide data from techs etc (not as easy to get data that's all over the place). Win7 just ends up being a whole lot of training for everyone for, well...not much. It's not faster and takes more resources (jeez, Explorer is SLOW compared to xp, especially over networks), which is pretty much the only inspiration for companies to upgrade to ANY new os these days. Pretty doesn't cut it, FUNCTIONALITY does.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By BZDTemp on 8/21/2012 2:05:35 PM , Rating: 4
Here is a hint "ALT-F4".

I give you there are issues with Win8 but it is very far from being as bad as you like.

PS. I have a Computer icon on my desktop and it was easy to put there.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:08:02 PM , Rating: 2
Did you put "Computer" on your desktop...or is it a shortcut?
If it's a shortcut, right clicking on it and going to properties won't show you the System Properties window. And that's extremely frustrating.

"Here is a hint "ALT+F4"" - I knew that - but ARE YOU SERIOUS?
You mean WE'VE COME TO A POINT WHERE I NEED A COMBINATION OF KEYS JUST TO MAKE THE START SCREEN DISAPPEAR? JESUS CHRIST!
ESCape WAS THE MOST OBVIOUS CHOICE - but since it's Microsoft...their choices seem to be far from obvious lately so...
You may argue that ESC is used to go back from a submenu to the previous one - they could've used BACKSPACE for that, if that's the case. So still...in my opinion, it was a hell of a stupid choice. Being idiot at Microsoft is easier than ever now, though...


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By woofersus on 8/21/2012 2:58:06 PM , Rating: 5
Quite a rant, but not a lot of true things, unfortunately. AFAIK, you can customize desktop icons in Windows 8 the exact same way you could in Windows 7. (Which is not all that different from how it was done in XP) Right-click the desktop, select personalize, click "change desktop icons." Or for left finger only folks, open the control panel and select customization.

I suppose you get a pass for not knowing the ins-and-outs of the new start screen, but I'm not even using it and I figured out answers to your complaints in less than 5 minutes.

http://bit.ly/TSqmQk (choose the third link)

and

http://bit.ly/TSr0gI (that one was even easier, and if you weren't aware of the charms bar yet, you probably shouldn't be trying pre-release software)

I agree there should be a tutorial of some kind on retail release, but come on.

Also, for the record all windows phone upgrades are free, and wp7 phones got wp7.5 like a year ago. And they'll also get wp7.8. What other system is offering more than two major upgrades along with one minor update AND various bug fixes for phones that are up to 2 years old? My Razr surely isn't getting Jelly Bean.

Good luck wasting 14GB of your ram with windows xp.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 1:39:32 PM , Rating: 3
Look what -"pinning computer to windows 8 start screen" .
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE "SHOW MY COMPUTER ON THE DESKTOP" OPTION ON THE START SCREEN.
I was talking about taking "Computer" from Start screen and putting it on the desktop. No, I don't want a shortcut to that. Why? Because if you want to go to Computer->Properties you can't do it by right click on the icon and selecting properties....got that?
Wasting 14GB of RAM in XP? You've got to be kidding me!
It's quite obvious you've never used software like Pinnacle Studio, Sony Vegas or anything similar - rendering a video into RAM can take up what you said I was wasting....so you should look for info first, instead of posting bs.

"I agree there should be a tutorial of some kind on retail release, but come on."
You're not being serious - definitely not -WINDOWS NEEDS TO BE INTUITIVE - EVEN IF THERE WAS A TUTORIAL COMING WITH THE RETAIL RELEASE , I WOULDN'T READ IT! An OS needs to be intuitive - it's not like a new game on the market!(even those are required to have an intuitive menu, otherwise they get lower scores in reviews....come on now!


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By damianrobertjones on 8/21/2012 3:15:47 PM , Rating: 3
"they copied it from office" - I stopped reading right there. Have you ever launched Windows Media Center?

p.s. I've also got Win 8 on my desktop and have no issues


By robinthakur on 8/23/2012 7:01:59 AM , Rating: 2
I've also got it on my desktop and don't really like the new look (that's all it is really) or the way it deals with multiple displays, which really makes the hot corners feature a chore. I think a great deal of this could be sorted out if MS let you choose profiles when you install it to say that the computer you are installing it on is a desktop rather than a tablet and then optimise things based on this, similar to Media Centre.

Without it, too many things are chores like getting to control panel or the way that it tries to multi task tiles in the top left corner as well as in the task bar on the desktop (seperately of course...) and also the way the option to switch off the computer is a chore to get to (Hover top right, hover down carefully without flicking to the other monitor, click settings, click power, hover carefully up to sleep/shutdown) You might be able to place a tile on the Start screen to do this, but haven't tried yet.

There are things I like like still effectively having the start menu in the bottom left corner, but if it makes life more difficult, then I'm going to find alternatives, like Mountain Lion, which works in a way in which I'm reasonably familiar. As I develop in an MS environment on a VM, which can live on any platform, the OS is not all that important as long as it has a version of MS Office and I can use all my regular programs, which I can. It also feels a lot more cohesive reficned and less schizophrenic than the MS option, regardless of its swishy fisherprice coloured start screen.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:13:21 PM , Rating: 1
Well, you can keep on reading, my friend...

"Have you ever launched Windows Media Center?"

I was talking about the Explorer(oh, sorry Metro AG!) interface - not about the Startscreen!
It's quite obvious the startscreen interface and the office one are far from being "alike", isn't it?

The startscreen interface is indeed, similar to Media Center - of course I used Media Center in both XP MCE '05 and Se7en.
Maybe you have no issues because you can get used to changes more quickly - I don't usually have a problem with that - it's just that I don't usually allow companies to throw shit at me the way they want to and then make me eat it because they're "big". If a company is "big" it's because we(the customers who buy their software) have made it like that...so it's still us who can throw a company to hell, just like it happened with EA...


By damianrobertjones on 8/21/2012 3:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
p.s. winkey+I - makes things easy


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By DT_Reader on 8/21/2012 3:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I hope Microsoft realizes they need to listen to the end-user (a.k.a. the customer, you idiots!)

I hope you realize that Microsoft's customers are Dell, HP, Acer, etc. - not you or me. They listen to their customers, they don't listen to you or me.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:19:02 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry that I have to see myself forced to accept your statement......I just wish all Microsoft customers would go against Windows 8 - it would still be a big issue for Microsoft - even if they rely on Dell&Alienware, HP, Sony....etc.
But hey...people who buy computers that come with a pre-installed Windows installation are forced to buy Windows 8 because they want a new computer although it's not obvious whether they want 7 or 8....OOOOOH....wait....prepare to see the same thing that happened with the fucking Vista - you buy a computer that comes with a pre-installed version of Vista and if you wanted to downgrade(which was actually an upgrade,btw) to XP , YOU HAD TO PAY FOR IT(the 2nd time...).
That's what may make people go with 8 instead of 7 - the fact that they'll have to pay a ton of cash to go with 7 instead of 8 - yet - by going from 7 to 8 you only have to pay about $15 or so...so imagine the HARD WORK those M$ engineers had to do to bring up a BS like Windows "8".


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By The Saxophonist on 8/21/12, Rating: -1
By Helbore on 8/21/2012 4:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
I don't see a pattern because that list is bullshit.

1. Windows 2000 was in no way a fail. It was a fantastic improvement on...

2. Windows NT4 (and the other OSes in the NT series). 2000 doesn't follow on from Win 98, it follows NT4. Me follows 98 in the DOS-based 9x series.

3. XP was generally considered atrocious when it first came out. It took two service packs before it became the OS that is so well-known today.

Where are the other OSes in your timeline? Oh right, if you add them in it ruins the pattern.


By Helbore on 8/21/2012 4:46:42 PM , Rating: 1
I don't see a pattern because that list is bullshit.

1. Windows 2000 was in no way a fail. It was a fantastic improvement on...

2. Windows NT4 (and the other OSes in the NT series). 2000 doesn't follow on from Win 98, it follows NT4. Me follows 98 in the DOS-based 9x series.

3. XP was generally considered atrocious when it first came out. It took two service packs before it became the OS that is so well-known today.

Where are the other OSes in your timeline? Oh right, if you add them in it ruins the pattern.


By dgingerich on 8/21/2012 5:26:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'd call Win Me a more epic fail than Vista or 8, and Vista is far worse than Win 8. If someone comes out with a 3rd party interface for Win 8, it could potentially be a good OS, since the performance is supposed to be even better than Win 7.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:26:22 PM , Rating: 1
You're perfectly right.
Let's hope they get things right with the next version of Windows that will be ...oh...it's quite obvious Windows 9 -how original!
Like they say...after an EPIC FAIL...it's easier to get things done the right way and if you're even more motivated...you may actually come up with an EPIC WIN instead....let's keep our fingers crossed....although it's far too soon - Microsoft is dumping PC users all around the world because of those tablets and the touchscreens - although the majority of PC users don't have a touchscreen computer display at home...(or do they? maybe I'm wrong...)


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By Myrandex on 8/21/2012 8:24:46 PM , Rating: 3
Please provide an example of a Windows phone that didn't receive an update to version 7.5? Heck all originally launched ones are receiving an update to 7.8.

And if you are whining about not receiving 8, so many hardware things changed with 8 it just makes sense. The same way that Apple allows phones to be updated to later versions of their iOS software, but not all of the features exist. So yea I have come to the conclusion that no amount of software updating will magically grant older phones to have storage card slots externally accessible, higher screen resolutions, etc.


RE: Sounds there are many like me...
By 3ogdy on 8/25/2012 2:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry about that, Myrandex - the 7.0 to 7.5 upgrade is free.
I take that back but I'll stand by what I stated regarding the rest of my ideas.
Again, it was a confussion and I never thought a Windows Phone 7.5 would even have an upgrade path to Windows Phone 8.

Regarding the external memory slots - I still can't see why a manufacturer would take that out - it's useful from so many perspectives that I just don't even want to think about it!
I wanted to transfer a folder that was full of music files and that it would've taken a lot of time to transfer via BT(because we didn't have a computer around) - and guess what! Although the phone had various GBs of internal memory - it had no memory card slot so I couldn't take out my microSD card and copy the files from his phone's internal memory right onto my microSD card. That is hilarious! This is going backwards!

"So yea I have come to the conclusion that no amount of software updating will magically grant older phones to have storage card slots externally accessible,"
Older phones are the ones who feature external memory support - newer ones seem to only feature internal memory - may your phone be out of battery or rendered useless - you may also say goodbye to your music, photos, memories and all that - because...YES! We are heading in the right direction - coming up with new BS and limits that just don't make sense!
Just the same BS that Apple had to put its customers through when it came to replacing the battery...but still...that was at least "doable".


By Major HooHaa on 9/14/2012 11:42:12 AM , Rating: 2
While a friend of mine is happy to embrace the brave new world of Windows 8, I am not so sure. I must be getting old. :-)

Part of the reason must be because I remember upgrading to Windows ME and also Windows Vista, while I was\am quite happy with Windows XP \ Windows 7.

I must admit that I don't like the look of the interface and from what I can see, the layout and design of Windows 8 is not aimed at the traditional desktop P.C.

Metro looks over-simplified and "Fisherprice" to me. And how functional is Metro compared to a Windows 7 desktop environment?

Also I am not crazy about Cloud computing, which appears to me to be "All your personal files, stored on an internet server." Which means they are no longer your personal files.

The other side to this is that my 4 year old "Core 2 Quad" desktop P.C, with 4GB's of DDR2 RAM and upgraded with a now 2 year old Radeon graphics card, runs everything I throw at it quite happily at a resolution of 1280x1024. This includes games like Battlefield 3 and Skyrim. The only time my machine feels a little slow is when Win 7 is loading, but I can live with that.

I feel that upgrading my hardware now would give a useful performance advantage across the board, but I'll stick with this machine a bit longer, while it's still all working well.


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