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Acer and other PC makers lower forecasts for second half 2012 PC shipments

While many PC makers saw the coming of Windows 8 as an opportunity for growth and increased competition against Apple, those feelings are slowly fading.
 
Acer Inc., Quanta Computer Inc. and Compal Electronics Inc., three major PC makers, have all lost hope in Windows 8 being the savior of PC sales for the second half of fiscal year 2012. This opinion differs from those heard by the same PC makers earlier this year, who were happy to show off Windows 8 laptops, all-in-ones and ultrabooks at the Computex trade show in Taipei. Acer even said that Windows 8 PCs would bring growth to his company once again. 
 
But these opinions changed as PC makers see no customer enthusiasm for personal computers running the Windows 8 operating system. Another issue, according to analysts and the PC makers, is that Windows 8 laptops and ultrabooks will likely be much too expensive upon release. 
 
J.T. Wang, CEO of Acer, said he has grown unsure of the Windows 8 ecosystem. His company is lowering its expectations for PC sales upon Windows 8's release.
 
"Originally, we were expecting very high growth in the second half," said Wang. "We're still waiting for a sign of consumer enthusiasm."
 
Analysts are changing their sales forecasts as well, mainly due to the fact that some believe it'll take three to four financial quarters for consumers to get onboard with Windows 8. It won't take off right away. Rather, Microsoft will have to seek out developers for more applications in order to grab consumer interest.
 
While the PC turf isn't looking so hot, mobile devices may not be so disappointing. The price of touchscreens and tablets running Windows 8 may be an issue, especially because there are many cheaper alternatives, but consumers have shown greater enthusiasm for Microsoft's Surface tablet
 
Windows 8 has been a pretty controversial topic. The main issue seems to be the user interface, formerly called Metro. It features colorful tiles that represent different applications on the home screen. The change was a hopeful move to attract new users (perhaps those normally enticed by Apple's colorful and friendly-looking operating systems). However, Microsoft is looking to change the name of Metro after a recent discovery -- a German retailer called Metro AG threatened to sue. 
 
Windows 8 will be released to the public on October 26

Source: ETrade



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SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/21/2012 12:29:10 PM , Rating: -1
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But these opinions changed as PC makers see no customer enthusiasm for personal computers running the Windows 8 operating system.


I now offer Jason Mick and others this opportunity to admit they were wrong and that my criticism's of Windows 8, specifically Metro on the desktop PC, were based on more than hate and bias.




RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By chmilz on 8/21/2012 12:39:43 PM , Rating: 5
I'll take this opportunity to point out that the OEM's that are lowering their forecasts are junk peddlers that can't make a quality product regardless of which OS is available.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Flunk on 8/21/2012 12:40:21 PM , Rating: 2
That is true, none of these PC makers could make a PC that wasn't junk if their lives depended on it.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Argon18 on 8/21/2012 12:46:34 PM , Rating: 4
Um. Huh? I guess you didn't know that Acer, Quanta, and Compal are the three biggest OEM's, they manufacture most of the laptops for HP, IBM, Alienware, etc.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 1:40:57 PM , Rating: 2
That is correct. The above posters are uninformed idiots.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By SoCalBoomer on 8/21/2012 1:46:15 PM , Rating: 2
you did realize that IBM doesn't produce laptops anymore, right?

Quanta and Compal are like Foxconn - they are the manufacturer, not the OEM in the sense we think. They don't sell computers to consumers, they just do the components MFG and ASSY. They're termed an ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) - they take design orders and produce the product to the specifications of Apple, Dell, Acer, HP, etc. etc. etc.

I doubt they have much stake in Windows 8 as they don't sell anything themselves, they just make things for the others to sell. . .


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 1:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I doubt they have much stake in Windows 8 as they don't sell anything themselves, they just make things for the others to sell. . .


...you might want to re-think how much the ODMs are going to be reliant on the success of the products they manufacture for the OEMs...

...seriously. You reckon the ODMs aren't going to be affected if the OEMs can't sell the products the ODMs make for them?

Wow.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Arkive on 8/21/2012 12:58:01 PM , Rating: 3
I offer you the same opportunity to admit that it's much more likely that Acer is making an about-face due to the release of the Windows Surface Tablet that they see as not only direct competition to them, but also a smack in their face since Microsoft basically said, "No one is making a good competitor to the iPad so I guess we'll do it ourselves." Acer is merely following through on the threat it made to Microsoft after it debuted the Surface. Also, Acer is a current or previous customer of both Compal and Quanta, respectively, so their alignment with Acer's opinion shouldn't shock anyone.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Manch on 8/21/2012 1:01:46 PM , Rating: 1
You dislike WIN 8! My GOD! Your opinion...it's not the same as everyone else!?! DT sheeple! Get em!

I genuinly dislike WIN 8 on a desktop. I have a technet subscription for work so I downloaded the final commercial release and put it on a laptop, tablet, and a few others just to see. It's changed a good bit since the release canidate, it's better but still. Nope, not on my Desktop!

Tablets, sure, works great on those. Laptops with touch screens? sure. Use as a 10ft interface on a media PC connected to your TV? yup, especially if with the kinect.

MS has been slowly dumbing down their OS for a long time. I start cussing everytime they put out a new release and I have to dig 4 fukin menus deeper to get to the same damn thing. For Win 8, they went full retard, and you never go full retard.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Belard on 8/21/2012 1:44:19 PM , Rating: 2
Hey! You copied me! I've been saying that Windows r8pe is full retard for months. :)

You never go full retard!

Wonder if their is any artwork with that slogan on it yet?


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Manch on 8/21/2012 3:23:05 PM , Rating: 2
Id buy it if it was on a shirt


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 4:26:58 PM , Rating: 2
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This comment is apparently spam and we do not allow spam comments.

I wonder how much extra crap I have to put in here to let this fully-retarded system post this?


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 4:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
Oh. About that much, I guess.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Gurthang on 8/21/2012 1:08:38 PM , Rating: 2
I think Windows 8 has some serious flaws in the UI design that to some extent could be mitigated with a really good welcome to windows help and/or setup wizard. That along with some sort of clever in store demos to push the "how to do Windows 8" thing as well as demonstrate what is great about the new design.

But if MS relies on the OEMs to do that things are going to fail badily.

To me the biggest failure is stripping the interface elements down to the point where people have no idea what is where. New touch gestures, "hot spots", and new keystrokes only work when you know them or there is some indicator that gets you to try them. To me there is too much hidden so that too many times I had to watch as my wife and sometimes even myself were at a loss where the thing we really wanted was.

That said there is a lot of good stuff in there too.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Dribble on 8/21/2012 1:38:24 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, win 8 on anything that's not a tablet is terrible. Not sure why everyone is so keen on defending it, all I can think is they haven't used it?

It's a touchscreen os and trying to make it work for a traditional windows desktop or laptop is very much a case of round peg in square hole.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 1:48:11 PM , Rating: 1
It's because children always think something new is necessarily better than something old.

Like on-screen keyboards on phones instead of physical keyboards.

Like the "ribbon" toolbar instead of the traditional toolbar.

...and like the UI formerly known as Metro(sexual) over the traditional Windows UI.

Some things are in the form they're in because it's the optimal form. The general form of the wheel, for example. Pants. Toasters. Drinking glasses. These are just a few things that haven't really changed...ever. Because they can't be made better than they already are - they're in their optimal form. "Oh my gawd, 2-legged pants are soooooo 2011! These pants have 3 legs - they're 50% better! Why can't you see that? THIS IS WHO I AM!!!111!!1one"

People are finally starting to realize that, with the unMetro UI, the emperor has no clothes. While the dipsh1ts of this world are still p1ssing themselves over having a phone-like UI on a desktop PC (it's new, and therefore necessarily better), finally some people who are actually possessed of brains are starting to speak up and point out what a horrifically bad idea it is.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By GoodBytes on 8/21/2012 2:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
So why are you using anything above DOS or Unix Terminal?
Interfaces, especially menus, has been criticizes even more than Windows 8 Start Screen, look where we are now, and look at what you are enjoying.

I for one, love the ribbon bar, and I wish every software would use it, so that I can use advance feature in 1-2 mouse clicks and not go menu by menu for 30min trying to find the option, or group of options to click to do things.

I have2 complaints about Windows 8
-> Hard to shutdown/restart the computer
-> Metro app take priority on file association over desktop apps, even if a desktop program registers a file type, if their is a metro app that previously opened it, it will open with the Metro app. You need to use "Default programs" panel once you install Windows 8 and your desktop app, to register all program properly. An extra step to do.

However, for me, the ups clearly surpass the downs. So I'll be getting Windows 8 on day 1 of its official release on both my laptop (which enjoys an extra hour of battery life, AND makes my ambient light sensor work again, which it didn't in Windows 7 64-bit but did in Vista 64-bit), and the large tiles making using a touchpad to point and click a breeze. Plus its more responsive on both my systems, and games on my desktop, gain a nice performance increase.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By JediJeb on 8/21/2012 3:28:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I for one, love the ribbon bar, and I wish every software would use it, so that I can use advance feature in 1-2 mouse clicks and not go menu by menu for 30min trying to find the option, or group of options to click to do things.


I have the opposite experience with the ribbon. For me the ribbon takes up too much vertical space, and is even worse when on a wide screen monitor, plus where in older versions of Excel I could get to what I wanted in maybe 2 clicks now I hunt all over the ribbon because nothing is where it seems it should be. Same with W7 on my new laptop, I hunt for hours to find the things that were right up front with XP(after I switched back to the classic style menu). Even the groupings in XP by default seemed to scramble things up for me. What is so wrong with opening Control Panel and having all the sub menus right there on the screen instead of grouping them and making another layer to drill down through? Then W7 took something as simple as Add/Remove Programs and put it in some strange obscure place that takes forever to find.

Maybe they are just trying to keep the people who make a living training people how to use windows in business for a while longer. Constantly make changes to the UI and those people get to keep retraining whole workforces.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 4:29:57 PM , Rating: 1
Simple physics dictates that the ribbon bar provides less functionality that traditional toolbars. For the simple fact that MS felt it necessary to Fisher-Price all the icons into clownishly huge proportions such that only 1 icon can go where 4 or so used to fit. And then limit you to only seeing one toolbar (a ribbon is just a fat toolbar) at a time.

Not better. Worse.

Thanks for proving my thesis.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 4:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, and as for:

quote:
So why are you using anything above DOS or Unix Terminal? Interfaces, especially menus, has been criticizes even more than Windows 8 Start Screen, look where we are now, and look at what you are enjoying.


Because Windows 3.11, with it's GUI, was a decided improvement over DOS. And the Windows 95 GUI, with the modern Start menu, was an decided improvement over Windows 3.1.

The Start menu didn't really change in any fundamental way from Windows 95 to Windows 7. Little bits and bobs here and there, sure...but it was fundamentally the same - because that's the optimal form.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 4:43:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
because that's the optimal form
It's optimal only for PC-DOS loving oldfags like you, but for the modern user who'd like to see live tiles with system status updates, email, chat, notifications, weather, stock etc on a single screen your oldfaggy Win95 interface is not optimal at all.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 5:23:40 PM , Rating: 1
You've been able to have all that stuff on your desktop, either via native widgets, or 3rd party bits, since at least WinXP.

You have no point.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 5:55:25 PM , Rating: 2
My point is that Win8 already integrates all this third party stuff which is very useful for most users. More integration of useful software out of the box - better experience for the end user. Got it now?


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Motoman on 8/21/2012 9:45:59 PM , Rating: 1
I see you can't fathom the phrase "native widgets" - that means they come out of the box.

You continue to have no point.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Pirks on 8/22/2012 1:17:56 AM , Rating: 2
There are no native widgets in XP and those in Vista occupy your desktop, not start screen, and they are not live tiles connected to some full blown apps behind. These are different things. Learn some basics about how Metro works and what are the main UI concepts behind it.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Tony Swash on 8/21/12, Rating: -1
RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Pirks on 8/21/2012 4:13:09 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
they decided to ruin the user experience on their existing desktop business
They didn't ruin anything. The old desktop is still there. All the old enterprise apps work just fine. User retraining is minimal, just show them how corners work and voila, job is done and typical corporate user is as productive as ever. So you're just fantasizing and following a couple of oldfags here like Reclaimer and Motoman who stuck their beloved 5" PC-DOS floppy so far up their asses that it sticks out their mouth now and obstructs their vision. Don't make mistake following PC-DOS oldfags like these, always think for yourself Tony. MS has done radical UI changes before, they moved from PC-DOS to classic Win 3.x UI then they moved from Win 3.x to very different Win 95 UI and all the Motomans and Reclaimers were wailing about how MS is gonna fail, just like they're wailing now. Think about MS history, think hard instead of following local oldfags.
quote:
very big gamble
Just like all of their major changes before. Some of their gambles were successful, some not. I don't see why Win 8 is going to be not a successful one. It blends best touch UI with best x86 desktop app support, this just can't fail by definition. With developer tools that pwn every other tools in the industry (including the joke they call XCode, this one is so lame and ugly compared to VS 2012... man you don't want to dig into it, you'll get depressed like me :P I was of much higher opinion of Apple's devtools before I compared XCode with VS 2012 myself) MS will have no problem getting tons of Metro apps for its new OS, given that these apps FIRST TIME IN MS HISTORY could be easily ported between console, PC, tablets and phones, all on different hardware architectures. This is a grand vision and a huge platform shift, and it looks risky I agree, but which platform shift is not? Don't you remember all the wailing predicting Apple fail after they moved to x86? Or all the negative remarks about early versions of iOS? Come on Tony, what happened with your memory? One sided blindness and anti-MS bias much because you are an Apple stock holder? I told ya people! Heheee
quote:
what was needed was an alternative OS for mobile devices
They actually have TWO separate alternative OSes for mobile ARM-based devices, one is WP8 and the other is WinRT for tablets. You just have not a slightest idea Tony what the heck you're talking about :))) Maybe you should read up on some basics first, before posting here? Maybe reading some other sites besides Apple's cock sucking ones like Gruber and Dediu will help? I hope it will. Try it sometime ;)
quote:
classic MS error of trying to protect the Windows business
Doh, they were making this classic error for like 30 years already, always guaranteeing their customers best backwards compatibility one can imagine. Win8 can run on some real ancient machines from like 12 years ago if not more, while OS X 10.8 can run on exactly what? Macs from 2009 or something? Tony, don't pretend to be THAT dumb, I know you are not. If you read some alternative sites that do NOT suck Apple's cock you will realize that MS always used their backwards compatibility as their strongest weapon, ESPECIALLY in corporate sector where this is NUMBER ONE PRIORITY usually, 'cause they all have those famous PC-DOS apps written in 1980 that MS still supports you know.

Let me tell you what MS is doing here. I know this because I read a LOT of stuff besides Apple's cock sucking Gruber etc. What MS is doing here is called BRANCHING. They were making enough money on corporate market and on consumer market too because they had no competition for like 15 years and they used their monopoly to get super profits. Now they got competition on consumer market that quickly knocked them down to almost irrelevance. So what they do now essentially is branching their Windows brand into their own hardware/software package for tablets (Surface and other monolithic ARM tablet packages with secure boot OS tightly controlled by MS) and for phones (MS subdivision called Nokia is being assimilated into MS empire as of right now). So what we have here is that MS is coming back on consumer front, trying to attack on both hardware and tight integration fronts, which was always the main market crack'n'conquer weapon of Apple. And while they come back on consumer front they also made sure their corporate customers do not suffer, so they made Win8 100% corporate friendly by leaving old desktop intact and providing very easy transition for corporate users by doing some minimal retraining about using corners with your mouse.

How this very rational and thought out strategy of conquering new market while properly supporting older traditional markets can fail is way beyond me. Your Apple cock sucking friends like Gruber predict failure, and lousy cheapshit producing OEMs wail the same too and even a couple of religious oldfags like Motoman and his twin Reclaimer here predict failure, but tell me, will you really trust 'em all when making a judgement? You trusting WinPC zealots like Motoman, Apple zealots like Gruber and losing businessmen like Acer's Wang is a GOOD IDEA? Really?

Do you see the full picture now Tony? Did my little lesson help you understanding all this better? Please share your feedback, I'm interested. Thank you :)


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Tony Swash on 8/22/2012 5:52:03 AM , Rating: 1
Here's one happy punter

http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/why-i-m-uninstalli...

I really, really hope Microsoft doesn't change a thing in Windows 8.

It's perfect just as it's is ;)


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Helbore on 8/22/2012 10:40:42 AM , Rating: 3
To be fair, Tony, that guy is clearly a moron.

He can't even work out how to edit an appointment in the metro calendar app. Ummm, all you have to do is click on it and type into the boody obvious text boxes that appear. Saving is a simply matter of clicking the button that looks like a disk. The button isn't even hidden in any menus.

The worst part - I hadn't even bothered to use the metro calendar app before reading about his problems (I use Outlook for that). It took me all of 30 seconds to work it out - its that obvious how to use it.

Frankly, if that guy is so clueless he couldn't work out how to operate such a simple app, he shouldn't be tech blogging. Perhaps something simpler, like nose-picking, would be more up his street.


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By jnemesh on 8/21/2012 2:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
Oh sure, JUST LIKE reaction to Windows Phone 7, I am sure this hate is TOTALLY unfounded, right?

Get a FRIGGIN CLUE! If there is THIS MUCH hate, there is SOMETHING WRONG! If there is THIS MUCH resistance, maybe it's not an education or marketing problem, but a DESIGN and EXECUTION problem!

The FACT is, PEOPLE IN OVERWHELMING NUMBERS, be they developers, users, or PC manufacturers, HATE Windows 8!

So, quit telling people to "shut up" and calling them "haters"! It's an honest reaction to a BS OS!


RE: SHUT UP HATER!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 8/21/2012 6:11:48 PM , Rating: 2
Did you actually read my post? We agree in every way.


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