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Apple is quickly ridding its OS of anything related to Google

Apple today released the latest beta for its upcoming iOS 6 mobile operating system. Although iOS 6 doesn’t make any huge leaps forward visually or productivity wise, the operating system has caught quite a bit of attention for what it lacks.
 
IOS 6 marks the first release of the operating system that doesn’t come preloaded with Google Maps. Instead, Apple kicked Google to the curb and included its own mapping service (which is actually not as functionally complete as Google Maps on many fronts).
 
Next, Apple passive aggressively removed the name “Google” from the search field in Safari, which signified that Google was powering search results (iOS also includes search options for Bing and Yahoo).
 
Now, Apple has taken the next step in ridding itself of Google’s “hooks” into iOS. In iOS 6 Beta 4, Apple has removed the YouTube app from the Springboard. The YouTube app has been featured on iOS ever since the iPhone’s introduction in 2007.
 
According to The Verge, this is what Apple has to say on the matter:
 
Our license to include the YouTube app in iOS has ended, customers can use YouTube in the Safari browser and Google is working on a new YouTube app to be on the App Store.
 
Apple says that its license has expired, but we all know that it’s secret for “We feel slighted by Google, and we hate everything they stand for.”
 
At least iOS users can rest assured that YouTube will continue to function normally through Safari. In addition, Google is working on a standalone Maps app that will be available in the App Store and should reintroduce the features that Apple stripped from its own mapping app with iOS 6.

Source: The Verge



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Just another reason to avoid Apple
By lightfoot on 8/6/2012 3:17:43 PM , Rating: 5
I always considered having Google Maps, Google Search and YouTube built into iOS a major advantage that Apple had over their competitors; taking this away is a serious issue and one that should give people pause when choosing Apple over other mobile device vendors.

I applaud Google in their ongoing support of the platform, but question Apple's insistence in removing functionality with each release of their iOS platform.




RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 3:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I always considered having Google Maps, Google Search and YouTube built into iOS a major advantage that Apple had over their competitors

That sentence makes zero sense since Apple's only viable competitor makes those apps and they're built-in to Android.


By elleehswon on 8/6/2012 4:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
OP was comparing the features to their 10 year old star-tac. :P


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By lightfoot on 8/6/2012 4:08:40 PM , Rating: 5
It is a HUGE advantage over Windows Mobile/Phone 7, Blackberry, Symbian, et al. Android has those apps built in of course, but Apple wants to compete with Android, not Blackberry and Windows.

If Apple iOS becomes a second tier platform, they aren't really competing.

Apple's alternatives have to be at least as good as Google's. Microsoft has shown just how difficult that can be; Bing is a very strong competitor, but even so can't really compete with Google.

There is a reason that the mobile space is effectively a two horse race, and I believe that tight Google integration is a large part of that.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 4:21:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is a HUGE advantage over Windows Mobile/Phone 7, Blackberry, Symbian, et al. Android has those apps built in of course, but Apple wants to compete with Android, not Blackberry and Windows.

Rightly so, as no one cares about any of those platforms as sales figures show. It's iOS or Android.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By lightfoot on 8/6/2012 4:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
But why don't people care about the other platforms?

Apps.

Google Maps, Google Search, GMail, and YouTube are all Killer Apps. Killer Apps sell platforms. And Apple is removing them from their platform.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 4:48:40 PM , Rating: 1
Gmail and Google search are already on the App Store, and Maps/YT will be available in the App store once Apple removes them from iOS 6 as the article states.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Samus on 8/6/2012 5:06:56 PM , Rating: 3
You may be able to re-add some of these things, but how anti-competitive can you be when removing a competitors product that all your customers want from a shipping product?

This is just ridiculous. Next watch them remove Gmail Sync in order to get everyone on iCloud and Me.com

Apple turned from a whiny little school girl into the crazy bitch everyone has slept with at the local buffalo wild wings.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By name99 on 8/6/2012 5:22:12 PM , Rating: 2
"how anti-competitive can you be when removing a competitors product that all your customers want from a shipping product?"

The way Amazon Fire doesn't ship the various top-tier Google apps?

Don't make this out to be some big moral drama. If you do, you're going to find it gets very very messy with Amazon, Apple and Google ALL playing the same sort of game against each other, all making choices based on a combination of
- screw the other guy over AND
- what's best for our customers


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/6/2012 6:18:12 PM , Rating: 2
Shipping and Stripping aren't the same...


By augiem on 8/6/2012 9:41:06 PM , Rating: 2
>> - screw the other guy over AND
>> - what's best for our customers

- screw the other guy over AND
- what's best for our stockholders

Fixed.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 5:50:42 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You may be able to re-add some of these things, but how anti-competitive can you be when removing a competitors product that all your customers want from a shipping product?


Like how Google wouldn't let the iOS Google Maps app to do turn-by-turn navigation while the Android version did? Apple did the only sensible thing and bought their way into their own mapping company.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By retrospooty on 8/6/2012 6:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
It works on a jailbroken iPhone, so I suspect its not that Google didnt "let" it, but Apple wouldnt allow the access leven required.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/02/10/turn-by-tu...


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 6:47:11 PM , Rating: 2
Your blind hate is clouding your judgement. Apple would LOVE to include it in Google Maps but their license would not let them:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/ask-ars-why-d...


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By retrospooty on 8/6/2012 9:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
said that I suspected. I stand corrected. Based on apples past behavior it was a valid assumption. and I don't hate apple, I'm glad for the inputs but I am sick and tired of hearing about the lawsuits and their petty asinine attitude about everything.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By xti on 8/6/2012 10:52:36 PM , Rating: 4
dont get how companies actions are taken so personal by the average consumer.

emotions better spent on boobs.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By retrospooty on 8/7/2012 11:44:03 AM , Rating: 3
Its not "personal" but I do love smartphones and I do hate the fact that Apple is trying to stifle competition with its unwarranted lawsuits and petty hypocritical allegations. It holds all smartphone users back.

If you cant see why that bothers so many people, then you are probably a hopeless Apple fanboy.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By xti on 8/7/2012 9:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
you are taking it personal, you just said you "HATE" something they did...

again...boobs.


By retrospooty on 8/8/2012 2:09:07 PM , Rating: 2
well, I love boobs. Especially in pairs.


By Samus on 8/7/2012 2:43:18 AM , Rating: 3
corduroygt, with iOS modification, Google Maps has navigation. Apple wouldn't license the voice API to Google presumably because Apple was reserving it for use with Siri.

In reality, Apple didn't want Google to steal the "secrets" of Siri, but you'd have to ride the short bus to think Siri is even worth stealing...

It's been obvious for years that Apple doesn't want to be competitive and simply wants to strongarm the industry. They would prefer all major applications be strictly Apple applications, and the peon developers can make their pennies.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By lightfoot on 8/6/2012 6:21:22 PM , Rating: 5
If Apple users knew how to install 3rd-party applications, they wouldn't be Apple users.

Apple's motto has always been "It Just Works." Not, "install these applications and then it'll work."


By retrospooty on 8/6/2012 6:30:19 PM , Rating: 3
"If Apple users knew how to install 3rd-party applications, they wouldn't be Apple users."

LOL... Although I am sure they can figure out how to click on the install linka nd install it from the store, using a Navigation app is far beyond most of their skill level.


By corduroygt on 8/6/2012 6:39:11 PM , Rating: 2
YouTube already works through Safari and iOS6 has its own mapping program that presumably "just works" so I don't see the issue here...


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/12, Rating: -1
RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By lightfoot on 8/7/2012 12:45:43 AM , Rating: 1
Apple takes 30% of every sale on the App store. They are the de-facto publisher of all the apps in the "App Store." Anything installed from the "App Store" is at best a second party application, not a true third party. To truly be third party you can not be affiliated with either the vendor nor the customer.

If you install 3rd party software on your iOS device Apple will void your warranty.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By TakinYourPoints on 8/7/2012 5:12:27 AM , Rating: 1
The mental gymnastics some of you people go through is hilarious.

On a side note, 30% of a free app is... nothing


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By TakinYourPoints on 8/7/2012 5:13:45 AM , Rating: 1
I mean, my god, what a bunch of pedantic sperglords


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/7/2012 8:01:11 AM , Rating: 2
Ok TONY...


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By TakinYourPoints on 8/7/2012 4:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
Tony is a brainwashed fan too. Also annoying, just the other side of the same coin as you.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/7/2012 4:36:02 PM , Rating: 2
Also, I'm much MUCH meaner than Tony >:)


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By augiem on 8/6/2012 10:13:59 PM , Rating: 2
Not necessarily. I don't care a whit about having 1 billion crapps on my phone/tablet. The things preventing me from getting a Windows phone are the sub-standard phone hardware tech, the lack of models/manufacturers to choose from, and some peeves with the UI. From a software technology standpoint, I think Microsoft has a lot more to offer in the long term than either Apple or Google.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By gsleon3 on 8/7/2012 5:12:58 PM , Rating: 2
Sub-standard hardware? You mean like a top connection of 3G? Or 802.11n at 2.4GHz only? Or only a 5Mp camera (which they do make the most of, I'll admit), or recording limited to a best of 30fps? Or the limited codec decoding capability? iPhone was a great device, now it is the "Cool" retro device. They have failed to truly improve on the original great device in any truly meaningful way. Just look, the biggest news about iOS 6 is that it removes Google products. Apple is straddling the void like M$ did with WM6.5 & if they don't come up with something big, they will be the next RIM or WM6.x device.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By fxnick on 8/8/2012 12:18:30 AM , Rating: 1
Retro Device? lol
Android phones remind me of my free motorola flip phone from 2004...
Not that i dont like that slow clunky interface...Shitty resolution...An "open" platform but never any updates...Buggy apps..
Droids are definitely the future...


By dark matter on 8/8/2012 11:45:05 AM , Rating: 2
iPhone 4s Resolution

960 x 640

Galaxy S3, HTC One X

1280 x 720

BOOM!!


By NellyFromMA on 8/7/2012 7:41:33 AM , Rating: 2
As the most profitable company in the world, I doubt they need to compete. Rather, they have no reason to compete at all. It's economics 101 basically.


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/6/2012 3:37:56 PM , Rating: 2
Android, of course, has those all built in. Not really an advantage.


By invidious on 8/6/2012 4:00:30 PM , Rating: 2
The neutered GMaps that Apple allows Google to feature was one of the worst limitations of the iPhone IMO. The turn by turn naviagation requires you to contantly click next as you go, talk about unsafe and inconvinient. I was an iPhone user for 4 years and I am glad to be rid of it, the Gmaps app on Android ICS is leagues ahead of IOS version.

Either way I think Apple is making a mistake pushing popular premier apps off of their device in favor of clearly inferrior alternatives. Reeks of arrogance.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By nofear4COMment on 8/6/2012 4:27:10 PM , Rating: 1
Apple is becoming RIM #2


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Tony Swash on 8/7/12, Rating: -1
RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/7/2012 10:11:55 AM , Rating: 2
You surpass any Apple hater by far ....


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Tony Swash on 8/7/2012 10:53:38 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You surpass any Apple hater by far ....


Not a great effort on your part - you are only in Bronze medal position in the Stupidity Freestyle final. Can you recapture Gold Medal glory? The world watches with bated breath, the tension is palpable.


By Cheesew1z69 on 8/7/2012 11:05:37 AM , Rating: 2
Yet another idiotic, ignorant comment. Par for the course with you.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By name99 on 8/6/2012 5:15:41 PM , Rating: 2
Look, I know we all want to beat up on Apple here, but how about some common sense.

(a) This isn't one-sided. Google doesn't run YouTube as a charity, it runs it to show ads. Apple is not interested in having its showcase apps show ads. When Apple say their license has run out, yes, they are saying they weren't interested in renewing it; but there's also likely an element of relief in Google that they finally can control the YouTube experience on iOS.

(b) This doesn't mean no YouTube on iOS, it doesn't even mean no YouTube app on iOS. All it means is no APPLE-PROVIDED YouTube app. Just like Apple doesn't provide a FaceBook app, or an IMDB app, or a Pandora app.

There's a kindof collective insanity that seems to grip Apple haters anytime anything changes that makes them forget all history and common-sense. Google has plenty of custom apps on iOS right now. It will add one more, and life will go on. Apple will NOT ban a YouTube app, just like they haven't banned the Google Earth app, the Google Voice app, or other Google apps.


RE: Just another reason to avoid Apple
By Tony Swash on 8/6/12, Rating: -1
By Boze on 8/6/2012 7:31:40 PM , Rating: 5
Do you hear some of the shit you shovel??

There is no competitor to YouTube.

None.

There are only "other" video hosting websites out there that people never bother going to.

What's Apple going to use? Vimeo? AppleTube? It would take months to years to get their own "Tube" service off the ground, and even then, migration would be slow as shit.

Apple has no search worth speaking of.
Apple has no mapping site / software / app worth speaking of.
Apple has no video hosting website worth speaking of.

If you make people choose between Google Maps, Google Search, and Google YouTube... they're going to choose Google over Apple.

Only idiots will stick with Apple, but I guess that's what they're counting on.


By dark matter on 8/8/2012 11:50:05 AM , Rating: 1
Tony

Shut up.


By wickyman on 8/6/2012 6:31:24 PM , Rating: 2
In the early days it made sense to have the YouTube app because very few websites had a mobile friendly interface and far fewer had mobile friendly video media. So clicking a video link and loading up the YouTube app was the best way to get content optimized for your display and connection.

But times have changed and the dedicated app is just obsolete. Continuing to ship the app is just going to eat up space that users could otherwise dedicate to more useful content. The mobile interface for the YouTube website itself as viewed through Safari on an iOS device is wonderful and very feature rich and I for one prefer being able to utilize a single app as opposed to jumping between two different apps - one for web browsing and one viewing online video.

Frankly I think this is a smart move and should have been done last year. Apple is not removing choice in my view, they are just removing outdated software.


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