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Does a UI by any other name smell as sweet?

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is reportedly preparing a major change in terms of branding, scrapping the codename "Metro", which was previous used to refer to the user interface text/geometry/color style found in Windows 8, Windows Phone, and certain company websites.

A leaked internal company memo mentions the decision being made after "discussions with an important European partner".  One leading hypothesis is that German retailer Metro AG (ETR:MEO), which appears to control the EU trademark on the word "Metro", threatened to sue.

Microsoft may be cautious about generating any more ill will in the European Union, a region that has already relished lashing it with fines, and which is currently considering new fines related to browsers in Windows 8.

Regardless, Microsoft advises employees to "discontinue the use".  As a stop-gap, the interface that shall not be named by its former name shall be called "Windows 8 style UI", according to Microsoft, until a more permanent name is decided upon.  

The decision on the more catchy new name should come "by the end of this week", hopefully with a bit more trademark research this time around.

Metro store
Metro is one of Germany's largest retailers.

The good news for Microsoft is that given the mixed press Windows 8's Metro makeover has received, changing the name may actually reduce public awareness of some of the harsher criticism of Windows 8, which largely comes from power-users and is of questionable applicability to the average non-enthusiast/non-power-user.

Sources: The Verge, ZDNet



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call it what you want
By Argon18 on 8/3/2012 7:56:32 PM , Rating: 4
it still sucks as a desktop UI. phone, ok, tablet, ok, but desktop? ugh, no thanks.




RE: call it what you want
By BigEdMan on 8/3/2012 8:06:21 PM , Rating: 5
Love it on my phone...
But no way will it go on my desktop!
Hell, I'll even pass on Battlefield 4 if I have too.

Hope it gets a better name now.


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/3/2012 8:51:04 PM , Rating: 1
Then don't use it. There is still an actual desktop that has even more features than Windows 7.


RE: call it what you want
By JKflipflop98 on 8/4/2012 9:30:08 PM , Rating: 1
Apparently clicking the little "x" button is beyond their comprehension.


RE: call it what you want
By Spuke on 8/3/2012 11:52:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Hell, I'll even pass on Battlefield 4 if I have too.
F@$k that!


RE: call it what you want
By Samus on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By MrBlastman on 8/6/2012 12:06:43 PM , Rating: 1
There's better stuff out there than Battlefield, though. :)

Take Mechwarrior Living Legends, for instance. It's like Battlefield with mechs and vehicles... the biggest difference is 99% of the time you're in a vehicle and not on foot--what's not to like about that?


RE: call it what you want
By polishvendetta on 8/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: call it what you want
By taisingera on 8/3/2012 8:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't they call it "Tiles"


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/3/2012 8:56:02 PM , Rating: 5
Because, while accurate, that name bites.
My vote is for :TIFSFD

This Interface F%^& Sucks For Desktop


RE: call it what you want
By JKflipflop98 on 8/4/2012 9:31:29 PM , Rating: 1
LOL and you probably hate Vista and LOVE Win7, too. Right?


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/4/2012 9:51:41 PM , Rating: 4
Honestly i couldn't give a damn less if they call it Batman fucks Robin.
Just don't remove well known ways to use my desktop, Okay?


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/4/12, Rating: 0
RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/5/2012 7:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Understand I have had build 8400 installed for a few days. The desktop taskbar has no start button. It has been removed. Which part did you miss? They changed the desktop. Could've gave us the option. It's not like they ever pulled the option for cmd from DOS. Why the hate for the button?


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/5/2012 8:26:25 PM , Rating: 5
You do know that the start screen is really just a full screen version of the start menu, right? And worried about those other options (computer, control panel, etc)? Just right click instead and you get a power user menu with all those options. You don't really lose any functionality. In fact you even gain some.


RE: call it what you want
By kleinma on 8/5/2012 8:54:33 PM , Rating: 3
GodMode even works in Win8 just like it did in Win7.

Create a folder, rename the folder to

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

and you have instant access to all config/admin type things you need (and it is searchable since it comes up in explorer) and you don't need to even leave the desktop to use it for those who are terrified of the start screen in Win8.


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/5/2012 11:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong! It's a complete pain in the ass! I cannot turn it into a simple list. I have ridiculous squares that eat up space. Half of them I can't re-size or rename. It's dumb. The store is point blank useless. Not one app that I need or want. I tried the accuweather app only to be told that location services on my phone needed to be turned on..BAHAHAHHAHA! It's a PC!

Listen, I've read about 25 things I like about 8. The "Metro" or "who cares what it's called" belongs anywhere but my desktop pc.


RE: call it what you want
By acer905 on 8/6/2012 12:16:03 PM , Rating: 1
For a full list of all programs, metro or classic, go to the start screen and right click. Is that so hard?

Also, the OS is not released yet. The store itself is a preview app. IT IS FOR DEVELOPMENT.


RE: call it what you want
By TSS on 8/5/2012 9:09:07 AM , Rating: 1
Winblows?


RE: call it what you want
By ArcsinZ on 8/3/2012 8:53:10 PM , Rating: 1
I like it. Much faster than the start menu.


By ComputerNovice22 on 8/3/2012 9:23:20 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed I think as a desktop UI it honestly stinks.


RE: call it what you want
By bupkus on 8/3/2012 10:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
I thought I recognized your name.

You've posted before with your one man witch hunt of Windows 8. Why not let others investigate it on their own cause you definitely don't speak for all of us.

I mean, it is available for free download. Not to say that the final product will be identical to the freebie.


RE: call it what you want
By lexluthermiester on 8/4/2012 6:30:31 AM , Rating: 4
Then I'll chime in with him. I use the start menu quite often and am unwilling to abandon a part of an aspect[among the many others MS seems to be removing] of my computing life just because MS thinks it's not useful anymore. Rubbish.

I've tried the Consumer Preview version[arguably the better one] and the Release Preview. Neither one seems compelling enough to even consider using. Hell, I'd rather go back to Vista, because at least there are tons of customizations for it.

So while he and I don't speak for everyone, we are heralding the trumpet of warning. Windows 8 seems like it is going to turn out to be even more of a dud then Vista was. At least for the general desktop environment. Phones, it's passable, tablets, ok. But not the standard desktops/laptops arena.

So Bupkus feel free to enjoy Windows 8. Us power users will continue to sound off until MS goes the way of the dodo or pulls their head out and decides to listen to those whom help make or break them. Is it any wonder they have had their first quarterly loss in company history and well on the way to another even worse next?

Keep up the good work MS! [note sarcasm]


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By Camikazi on 8/4/2012 11:06:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, you do know that what a Power User does depends on their field right? SO a lot of Power Users do use Windows because the programs and software they work on do not run on Linux. Linux is not the be all end all it has flaws, just as many as Windows actually, and will not work for everyone.


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By Reclaimer77 on 8/4/2012 3:52:02 PM , Rating: 4
Windows accounts for something like 90%+ of the usage market share in the corporate/business world. You can make all the disparaging remarks about Windows and it's users being only gamers, but sorry, Linux is not highly represented among "power users".

quote:
Making a 3D movie? Pixar uses Linux.


Pixar uses Linux for their clusters because they use customer software (Renderman Pro), but every other department and office is using Windows.

But we know this, Linux is great for special purpose built stuff. General productivity? Not so much.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/4/2012 10:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows accounts for something like 90%+ of the usage market share in the corporate/business world. Linux is not highly represented among "power users".


Corporate laptops generally aren't operated by "power users". You do know what OS is on most Google employees PC's though, right?

For general productivity, Linux and Windows are about a wash.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/5/2012 5:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do know what OS is on most Google employees PC's though, right?


I have several friends there. It is predominantly Macs (which is another flavor of Unix) and Linux over there. Same with workstations (not just renderfarms) at Pixar, it is mainly Linux with some OS X.

A lot of the high end tech world, at least here in California, operates on Linux. Almost all of my web dev friends develop on that and on OS X. With OS X you're in a native POSIX *nix environment, plus you have the added benefit of widely supported applications and being able to run any OS in a VM. Windows is used professionally, sure, absolutely, but "high end"? Not usually, not unless data entry 101 is considered high end.


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/6/2012 12:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
What's really astonishing about Linux is how well it will scale from the Raspberry Pi to IBM's Roadrunner. I used it awhile back at work, and it was the machine that didn't require a harddrive reformat every few months. The worms that wormed their way into the network didn't harm it. The benefit to me was that I didn't lose any data, and the machine was always available to be worked on. Really the only thing holding me hostage to Windows is Adobe's creative software.

What I am hoping to see in the not too distant future is some smart Linux phones. I'd love to see a phone that has a feature like an SD card slot, an OS which can be changed (like on a PC).


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 1:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
Sidenote, watching the Mars landing, and look at all dem Macbook Pros they're using!

Again, the idea that "high end" professional use is solely dominated by Windows is ludicrous. Can you imagine what an even bigger mess the financial markets would be if the exchanges ran on Windows instead of Linux?


RE: call it what you want
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2012 2:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
Takin you're a vocal shill for Apple who's admitted he owns stock in the company. Your bias is well known, so we get it, okay? We get why you're saying the things we do, but numbers don't lie.

You can bring up all the myopic stories about you and your friends, or seeing a few MacBook Pros on TV (which COULD have Bootcamp on them, by the way), but numbers don't lie. Windows simply dominates business and corporate and any other segment when it comes to market share.

quote:
Again, the idea that "high end" professional use is solely dominated by Windows is ludicrous.


Who said "solely"? I said MOSTLY, as in 90+%. You're the one being ludicrous here. The idea that Windows isn't dominating can only come from someone who's personally invested in this NOT being the case, ie. you.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 4:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
numbers don't lie. Windows simply dominates business and corporate and any other segment when it comes to market share.


Um, duh?

Like I said, of course Windows is popular, everyone knows that, having 90% of the desktop market is something any amateur knows.

When did I say that Windows doesn't dominate? Of courrse it is. The only case I'm making is that Linux and OS X desktops, as small as their market is, are prevalent in the high end and in mission-critical tasks.

quote:
(which COULD have Bootcamp on them, by the way)


Really? What I saw on the JPL big board was some GNOME desktop. Do you really think that if JPL was running Linux on their PCs, that they'd be running Windows on their Macs?

Hilarious.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 4:39:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can bring up all the myopic stories about you and your friends


Yes, myopic anecdotes about friends who work at freaking Google, in big web development, and in the VFX industries.

No bearing on reality whatsoever, nope.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 6:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who said "solely"? I said MOSTLY, as in 90+%. You're the one being ludicrous here. The idea that Windows isn't dominating can only come from someone who's personally invested in this NOT being the case, ie. you.


The thing you have to realize is that the bulk of that 90% is not in the high end. Well supported econoboxes is where Windows dominates. Call centers, data entry, etc etc, these are HUGE for Windows. The idea that Linux or OS X don't have a larger share of the upper echelon, let alone the bulk of mainstream web development, shows a huge lack of technical understanding on your part, not to mention a massive padding of numbers from tasks that are decidedly not "high end".

As someone said above, Windows by percentage is mostly a casual-use and gaming operating system, just look at how much of the mass market uses it. It certainly is for me; my DIY Windows PCs are strictly for gaming. My other machines are for work.

Google, VFX, design, and web developer examples aside, here are some quotes from another board on the Mars mission, responding to Windows white knights:

quote:
I work at a National Lab and that's certainly not the case here. Sure, code gets deployed to server hardware once it goes into production, but almost everyone in the Scientific Computing group codes on Macbook Pro's. They're standard issue.


Another:
quote:
My advisor in grad school was PI on multiple instruments, both in orbit around Mars and on the surface. In our lab the backend servers all ran linux, but Mac laptops were used for data analysis tasks just as often as the linux desktops were. Very few people ran windows.


http://i.imgur.com/XKc30.jpg

In any case, the Linux/OS X bashing here is pretty silly. OBVIOUSLY Windows is popular and obviously it is a great platform for many to work on, I'll never deny that. I love Windows 7! However, there are benefits to Unix/BSD based operating systems that put them over Windows, especially for mission critical tasks. Would you really want a financial exchange running Windows on the back end?


RE: call it what you want
By TheJian on 8/7/2012 6:17:02 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're confusing servers with power users. I've worked in the #1 producer of saw chain and also a top medical company. Neither used linux. ProE, Solidworks, Cadcam, Finite Analysis, programmers writing apps for the majority of the chain company etc, drug testing at the medical company, etc. All ran windows.

So in your mind the only power user is a NON HUMAN eh? Both companies ran their entire network on ...Wait for it...WINDOWS SERVER :) Linux, last time I checked only ran about 60% of the servers in the world. Translation, some 40% think windows is OK for mission critical company needs. Did you miss that? Or do you think they only sell server 2008 to home users running private web pages?...LOL. With a LARGE portion of the design community running Adobe CS suite on WINDOWS I think any claim that web people (google or not) use linux only is borderline ridiculous. Windows isn't just popular, it's used by the mass majority of users, power users or not. PERIOD. The numbers don't lie, as much as you'd like to believe they do. Dream on.

Tons of people use linux PURELY because its FREE. It has nothing to do with superiority. Since google HATES microsoft it's not exactly surprising they use linux heavily...ROFL. Well duh. Doesn't do you much good to fill the coffers of the enemy camp now does it? That would make google kind of DUMB ;) The biggest probably (IMHO) with linux is the 50 varieties, which is probably the biggest reason winblows succeeds. I work in IT and do NOT use linux. I have no use for it. Also I wouldn't even consider Mac OSX linux as nothing that runs on it runs on a REAL copy of linux. Do mac games run on redhat? Nope. Does mac Adobe CS suite run on ANY flavor of linux? Nope. Is a ford pinto the same as a porsche because they both have tires and an engine? NOPE. Mac OSX isn't linux in the same sense that a pinto isn't a porsche. They are all different operating systems, no different than these are both cars but VERY different cars :)

I have no intention of leaving America despite the fact that I think obama is a terrorist destroying our country from the inside. Another 4 years and he may get the job done completely (we can't afford another 6 trillion in debt, and I have enough trouble paying my own medical let alone forking over for 20million useless illegals). But until another country offers me something BETTER I have no intention of leaving. I'm using Winblows for the same reason. Let me know when linux offers me MORE and I'll be happily switching. I'm rooting for you, but don't hold out much hope I'll ever get to go on anything other than windows. Work and play for me come from windows...I have no time to learn something else just to call myself a bigger geek than I already am (and I don't think it makes anyone a bigger one anyway, it just makes you that much more useless in my world). I remind you that Macs have been hacked and infected if you think linux is immune...ROFL. Better networking? I'm remembering a blackhat conference that had a few guys hacking it in minutes (even as they said in the same breath, we can do windows just as fast...LOL). You're not special because you booted (or make a living from) linux this morning instead of windows...LOL. I digress...

PS...I hate windows 8, and have run it, will probably have to learn it more than I want and still believe it SUCKS. The only think I can say I liked about windows 8 is 4K native support. But I don't need to boot from a 3TB drive and both of mine work fine as data drives in winblows 7 :)...LOL@MS for trying to sell that crap to a "POWER USER" like me ;) XP64 still ROCKS! Plays every game I've ever thrown at it, runs with every product in my entire families PC's (all AMD/NV cards, all nics, Creative cards, loves my 16GB etc). I wouldn't even be running winblows 7 if I hadn't needed to support it in IT...No point other than work. Winblows 7 is SLOW compared to XP64 (I live in explorer, so 7 is just about useless without xyplorer/total commander). Damn 7 is always calculating or discovering something and wasting my time. Why can't it just copy/paste/move and shut up? Change for the sake of change is stupid. What kind of OS can't be used efficiently as a file manager? WTF? Seriously? Jumping folders? NO free space status displayed without properties or clicking computer? Just replace win7 explorer with xp's and I'll be seriously less stressed...LOL. Can't I just get an XP64 rev2 or something? Sell me xp with 4k native and DirectX 12...Done. Aero can't work in XP? BS! Not that I use it anyway. 20GB of space to do LESS and work SLOWER than I could with 2GB in XP64? Whatever...sensible rant over...Besides, it's 3:15am here...LOL.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/8/2012 12:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Linux, last time I checked only ran about 60% of the servers in the world. Translation, some 40% think windows is OK for mission critical company needs.


0% of the world's servers run all flavours of UNIX combined now?


RE: call it what you want
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/4/2012 12:27:23 PM , Rating: 3
In my experience, Windows 7 boots more slowly than XP. Trying to figure out where a newly opened window appears on the task bar is never fun (did the PDF open in a browser, or in Reader?). It regularly locks up when resuming. It's hard to tell where one window ends and another begins (I am often closing down the wrong window). It always asks stupid questions (are you sure you want to open this? Are you really sure? Double-extra-secret sure?). I am sure security is better, but that doesn't positively affect the user experience.

Kudos to the folks that wrote XP. Obviously a tough act to follow.


RE: call it what you want
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/4/2012 12:29:47 PM , Rating: 1
By the way, who picks these crazy names? How is an operating system similar to a subway?

At least when you search for 'XP', you don't get unrelated results.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/4/2012 10:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
They only call it the Metro in one country, and Metro is not an OS. Also what about all those hits for experience points and extreme programming? Are you sure you're an engineer?


By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/5/2012 10:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
What is it then? As I understand it, it isn't simply an application you install. Is it like a web browser that you can replace with another vendor's version? I think many people would be interested if that were the case.

And yes, the diploma says Master of Science in Electrical Engineering.


RE: call it what you want
By Camikazi on 8/4/2012 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
PDF or other files opening in the browser will only happen if you have a plugin (or program) installed that does that and will always happen once you set it to do that (BTW the button blinks when a new window is opened). My computers come out of standby and hibernate with no problems at all every time, dunno what is wrong with you comp.

I'm not even sure how you can't tell what each window does so not even going to try that one as for the questions if you haven't noticed the average user isn't too bright so asking more than once is the best way to make them think if they want to open that file. As for the booting that depends on your computer and what you have starting up, on a more recent computer Windows 7 will be faster on a slower, older comp Windows XP might be faster but that isn't guaranteed.


RE: call it what you want
By xthetenth on 8/4/2012 6:47:00 PM , Rating: 4
You call yourself a power user and you didn't think that search in win 8 makes a mockery of the start menu? The start menu is a search, six or so pinned programs and a hierarchical list nobody's used since vista. The start screen is a vastly improved search and much more pinned programs organized so they're about as easy to find what you want in. I was going to be sarcastic and say that the start menu is as outdated as the command line, but the latter hasn't been totally obsoleted for power users while the ability to hit five keys and have your chosen program open killed the usefulness of the start menu.


RE: call it what you want
By BZDTemp on 8/6/2012 6:00:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Us power users will continue to sound off ...

Saying you don't speak for everyone and then going on to start at statement with what I just quoted is sort of silly.

I for one will pick Win8 over Vista any day and I'm pretty sure the label "power user" fits me just fine. It's not that I am happy with Win8 but after giving it a real try I gotta say it is not all bad. Do I miss the Stat button and what sits behind it for sure but it's not like the Metro UI is useless just different and this is even using a keyboard without Windows keys (a Model M).


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Luck has is that there's a great OS for you! It's called Windows 7, it's the best desktop OS I've heard and is tailored to suite your needs. See how easy that was. Win 8 isn't for you. It's for everyone else. Have fun.


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:39:58 PM , Rating: 2
Luck has is that there's a great OS for you! It's called Windows 7, it's the best desktop OS I've heard and is tailored to suite your needs. See how easy that was. Win 8 isn't for you. It's for everyone else. Have fun.


RE: call it what you want
By xti on 8/4/2012 1:17:29 AM , Rating: 2
they dont make pills so that you arent allergic to life...buck up!


RE: call it what you want
By AnnihilatorX on 8/4/2012 7:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I stuggle to understand why is it so hard for Microsoft to integrate desktop and metro together as one unified desktop UI. Desktop icons and metro tiles are both, in essence, square and rectangles.


RE: call it what you want
By Arsynic on 8/6/2012 9:59:30 AM , Rating: 2
Opinions are like ass holes...


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
Metro was a sucky name anyways and I'm happy to see it go. Can't wait for Win8 on all platforms though, huge step forward.


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