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Don't call it a comeback...

Many automotive enthusiasts have been lamenting the fact that automakers are starting to shy away from the manual transmission. Most automakers cite that take rates for manual transmissions are in steady decline. This is due to several factors, one of which being that many modern automatic transmissions now get better fuel economy than manual transmissions thanks to having more forward gears.
Some sports car companies are sticking with the manual transmission and are actually adding gears, such as Porsche. Porsche unveiled a seven-speed manual transmission for its sports cars not long ago.
While Porsche is sticking with the manual transmission, BMW has announced that it is axing the manual as an option for its M5 and Audi has discontinued manual transmissions in some of its vehicles in Europe.
According to, the manual transmission has made a slight comeback this year. According to statistics put together by the website, 7% of all new cars sold in 2012 are equipped with manual transmissions. That is a massive decline from 20 years ago when one out of every four cars sold had a manual transmission. However, 7% is much higher than the 3.9% take rate for manual transmissions last year. 2012 is on track to be the year with the highest rate for manual transmission vehicle purchases since 2006.
"A combination of factors - from the growing age of vehicle trade-ins bringing more manual drivers back to market, to a greater proportion of smaller cars on the road - is creating a small spike for stick shifts," says Industry Analyst Ivan Drury. "But even though manual cars are on the rise now, they're on track to be virtually extinct in the next 15 to 20 years." also reports that 64% of all 2012 model year vehicles are only offered with automatic transmissions. Ten years ago, the number of vehicles that weren't available with the manual transmission was must lower at 48%.
It's worth noting that some sports cars are only offered with manual transmissions, including the Audi TT RS, Aston Martin V12 Vantage, Fiat 500 Abarth, Ford Shelby GT500, MazdaSpeed 3, and Volkswagen Golf R.

Source: MarketWatch

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RE: Not much point really.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/2/2012 10:54:34 AM , Rating: 2
You shouldn't be going 175k miles without at least several transmission fluid flushes in an automatic. Even if the transmission was bullet proof, the ATF fluid sure as hell isn't. In an attempt to compare the reliability of differing transmissions, using nothing but your own myopic experience, you're admitting that you are a slacker when it comes to maintenance. Which pretty much invalidates whatever point you're trying to make.

You could also go 100k miles on the same motor oil, sure, it would probably run. But that doesn't mean that's really best for the engine.

Just because you choose to get away without doing the maintenance, doesn't mean something is "maintenance free" lol.

RE: Not much point really.
By Dr of crap on 8/2/2012 11:15:13 AM , Rating: 2
In didn't say don't do maintanance on your cars. And your slacker doesn't fit.
I just don't change tranny fluid, and MY experience tells me it works FOR ME just fine. I change the oil myself, and do MOST car repairs. Nothing better than checking under the car when changing your own oil looking for problems BEFORE they get bigger. At 10 plus years and over 150,000 miles most cars here are wreaked from road salt and won't go to much farther without big layouts of money that could towards a newer car.

The comment was that automatic trannys are far less reliable than manuals. I know a few people that have very bad experiences with big repair bills for their trannys, I have not had any. Just that same results as taking a survey. Ask a few people and compile the results.

My second manual went 130,000 before I sold it. No trouble with it either.

So you see from my car owning experiences both tranny last equally, and the autos AREN'T more trouble prone. Even PM free, from my prospective ONLY! Just the same as saying they are FAR FAR FAR more trouble prone, maybe from HIS prospective.

RE: Not much point really.
By Spuke on 8/2/2012 12:36:33 PM , Rating: 3
Thank God I'm not buying your cars used! LOL!

RE: Not much point really.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/2/2012 2:11:59 PM , Rating: 2
"Show me the Carfax"

"Well cars up here don't last too long, cause of the salt, so I didn't change the oil, transmission fluid, or replace the timing belt. What's the big deal?"


RE: Not much point really.
By JediJeb on 8/2/2012 4:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
I got a Carfax on my Trans Am when I bought it, according to it no repairs had ever been done. I just could never figure out why I was always finding pieces of a shattered side window all throughout the car while I owned it. Apparently not every repair is reported to Carfax.

RE: Not much point really.
By bobsmith1492 on 8/2/2012 1:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
I just had my wife's Accord auto trans fluid flushed for the first time at 175K miles. No issues with it yet. My Bronco II manual is still all original at 23 years, 130K miles.

My theory is the way you use the car drives how long it lasts. Popping or riding the clutch, mashing the gas on your auto, things like that wear out the mechanicals faster.

RE: Not much point really.
By Reclaimer77 on 8/2/2012 1:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
According to the Automatic Transmission Rebuilders Association, 90% of ALL transmission failures are caused by overheating. And how does a trans overheat? The fluid breaks down. It might not happen today, or tomorrow, but if you keep neglecting your maintenance something WILL happen that could have been prevented.

I don't understand this...pride, for lack of a better word, at rolling the dice on poor maintenance practices that some people have.

RE: Not much point really.
By Spuke on 8/2/2012 3:37:34 PM , Rating: 2
We change the auto tranny fluid in our truck once a year. Tranny fluid is cheap, transmissions are not.

RE: Not much point really.
By JediJeb on 8/2/2012 6:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
Just watch the seals on that Bronco II transmission, especially near the shifter. I had a friend who had a ranger that started leaking there and eventually his transmission died. Same thing can happen with the M5 transmission on 90's era F150s.

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