TSA Refuses to Hold Public Hearings on Nude Scanners, Court Chimes In
August 2, 2012 10:45 AM
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Court demands to know why TSA is brazenly violating federal laws and its orders
We've covered over the past few years how the
U.S. Transportation Safety Agency
's "nude" full-body scanners
have been used
. The TSA has received sweeping condemnation for the Orwellian scanner program, which many experts say
cannot detect dangerous materials
as well as
metal detectors or traditional search techniques
A handful of high-profile civil liberties watchdog organizations have targeted the deployment. Perhaps the most successful was the
Electronic Privacy Information Center
(EPIC) lawsuit against the TSA. While EPIC fell short of felling the nude scanners on Constitutional grounds, it did score a victory of sorts when the
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
found the TSA violated a federal transparency law.
The court on July 15, 2011 ordered the TSA "to act properly" and rectify its breach of the
Administrative Procedures Act
(APA) of 1946, which requires federal programs to hold public hearings. The TSA held no such hearings with regards to the court scanners, so three judge appellate panel
ordered the agency
[PDF] to undergo a 90-day public comment period.
The TSA has defied a court order to hold a public review its "nude" full-body scanners.
[Image Source: TSA]
So what’s problem? The TSA never complied with the court order. As of last month, it told
that the hearing and policy review had been shelved until sometime "next year". The TSA has stated it really doesn't want to hold the public review at all, as it feels it could harm the government's capability to respond to "ever-evolving threats."
That defiant stance landed the TSA back in court this week. In a
[PDF] the federal court reiterated its demand for hearings, ordering the TSA to respond by Aug. 30.
Jim Harper, the director of information policy studies at the
an active petition
on the new White House petition site rolled out by the Obama administration. The petition demands the TSA follow the law and hold the public hearings. The petition has almost 16,500 signatures and only needs about 8,500 more to reach its goal of 25,000. Under the rules of the petition site, if the additional signature mark is met, President Barack Obama must personally respond.
A petition hopes to get President Obama to force the TSA to follow the law.
It's understandable why the TSA wouldn't want to have to answer tough questions from the public on
health risks to frequent fliers
and why the TSA was
storing nude body scanner images
, after it had promised not to.
However, even considering the controversy, it's in the relative minority. Agencies like the
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
have complied with the APA rules, offering public reviews of contentious provisions such as the
CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) standards
U.S. District Court for D.C. via Wired
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RE: The TSA is useless
8/2/2012 3:38:22 PM
"Sorry retro but your lefty streak is really showing on this one. Using all the standard talking points."
Oy... First off, I am not against guns. I have a freegin Baretta Px4 compact FFS. I just dont think putting them in the hands of the flight crew is a good idea. I said above, in the hands of a law enforcement pro it would be fine, but not pilots and stewardesses. Too easy to take it from them and cause the very problem its designed to defeat. Its just not a smart move. It sounds to me like you are being "pro gun" just to be pro gun and not really thinking about what would actually happen on a plane.
"How? Magic? What would happen is they would stop trying to hijack planes and move on to other targets. That's what would happen."
This would cause them to TRY and hijack. It would actually invite it. Clock them over the head from behind is the first thing that pops into mind. Not very magic or elaborate. Even 4-5 guys simultaneously rushing all stewardesses and now you have a plane full of armed islamo-fundies. Its just not smart. 4-5 stewardesses or flaming stewards with guns is not exactly striking fear in anyones mind. Especially someone that is already willing to die for the cause.
"This is such a typical Liberal viewpoint it's not even funny. You're only safe, apparently, if a Federal employee is armed. NOBODY else can be armed because that would just be crazy, but if the Feds have guns, that's different."
Come on man, stop putting me in that boat. I dont think anything like that, it's not about gun control, its a plane and too easy to take over with a gun.
"This just shows that you don't truly understand the enemy, and are applying White man's Western thinking to the problem."
I thought that is what you were doing ;)
Dood, its a fucked up situation and difficult as hell to deal with, but you jsut cant put weapons in the hands of stewardesses and expect that not to SCREAM - easy target.
RE: The TSA is useless
8/2/2012 5:38:54 PM
I say arm the pilots. They have the secure doors on the cockpits. A lot of them are former military pilots and know how to handle a weapon. Those that dont, well train them! Air Marshall's are on random planes, so you never know who in the cabin is armed. I do agree that the stewardesses should not be armed. They can be too easily distracted, and have to constantly reach over people while serving etc. You could have a gun safe that can only be released by the pilot on the plane tho.
As far as passengers being armed, I think enforcing conditions upon them carrying on the plane would serve as a nice balance between everyone's concerns.
no bullet in the chamber, safety on
Aisle seat only
Must attend briefing/training yearly/as needed to ensure they are aware of the latest guidelines, etc.
They cannot advertise the fact that they have a weapon.
restrict bullet types to rat shot, plastic or other riot/"non-lethal"/less than lethal ammo.**these munitions are quite lethal and effective at close range, but have much less chance ricochet, and other secondary injuries. Also they wont breach the cabin.
Plastic bullets have been used by riot police to prevent ricochets.
I use rat shot up in my loft at my farm. Great for killing snakes too. No holes in it yet. I bet SLJ wish he had some!
RE: The TSA is useless
8/3/2012 12:35:25 PM
"I say arm the pilots. They have the secure doors on the cockpits. A lot of them are former military pilots and know how to handle a weapon. "
That works. The other good thing, is they are behind secured doors, so no-one could just sneak up and clock them on the head and disarm them.
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