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Windows 8 hits a milestone

Microsoft announced today that Windows 8 has been released to manufacturing (RTM). If you've been keeping up with the development of Windows 8, you already know that the official consumer release date for Microsoft's next generation operating system is October 26.
MSDN/TechNet members will get their first crack at Windows 8 on August 15. Members of Microsoft's Software Assurance program will have access one day later. Microsoft Action Pack Providers will be eligible on August 20 and Volume License customers can purchase the operating system on September 1.
As previously reported, customers can upgrade to Windows 8 via download for only $39.99 or $69.99 via a disc. For those that simply can't wait until October 26 to purchase a new computer, Microsoft is offering customers the chance to upgrade to Windows 8 for $14.99 via the Windows Upgrade Offer program.

Microsoft’s Steven Sinofsky had this to say about the development of Windows 8:
Back when we first demonstrated Windows 8 in May 2011, we described it as “reimagining Windows, from the chipset to the experience,” and that is what Windows 8 (and Windows RT) represents for both Microsoft and partners. The collective work: from the silicon, to the user experience, to new apps, has been an incredibly collaborative effort. Together we are bringing to customers a new PC experience that readies Windows PCs for a new world of scenarios and experiences, while also preserving an industry-wide 25-year investment in Windows software.
And for those wondering, the final build number for Windows 8 RTM is 9200.16384.win8_rtm.120725-1247

Sources: Microsoft [1], [2]

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Time pressure
By melgross on 8/1/2012 2:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
This is the first time that Microsoft has been under so much pressure to have an OS out on time. As we all know, one part of Microsoft's reputation is to have delays, sometimes serious, with most all of their products.

This time, they can't afford to. This is going to mostly be a consumer product, as business has already stated that they haven't interest in this, as they are just now upgrading to 7, or have finished upgrading to 7, and the learning curve for this will be much greater, so a lot of training will be required. Business has been cutting back, and that's not going to happen now.

So if they miss the holiday shopping season they would be in a lot of trouble. I remember when Vista first came out. Some high official (I think it may have been Sinofsky) at Microsoft was asked how many bugs there were left, and he said 68,000. This is a much bigger departure for Microsoft than Vista was. It will be interesting to see if they have it under control or not.

RE: Time pressure
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 2:10:53 PM , Rating: 2
This is actually not as big an update as Vista. On the UI side of things it certainly has more "visual" changes, but the underlying version number of this OS is not 8, it is 6. So was Windows 7, and so was Windows Vista.

This is because Windows 8 is the second iteration of Windows Vista. Most of the underlying tech that was built into windows with vista is still there and improved upon in Windows 8, but at its core, Win8 is much like vista, as it is built right on top.

RE: Time pressure
By melgross on 8/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Time pressure
By 91TTZ on 8/1/2012 3:22:48 PM , Rating: 3
Vista was taken from Server 2003 after the Longhorn project failed. It wasn't a really big step. They added some features for content, and wrapped some security functions around it. That was the major change from Sever 2003. Then they went overboard in the UI.

This is completely incorrect. Server 2003 was the server version of Windows XP. It had the underpinnings that Windows XP had. It uses the same drivers and if you look at compatibility you'll see that what works for XP works for 2003. They even use the same service packs. The Longhorn project didn't fail. Longhorn was the codename for Vista.

Server 2008 is the server version of Vista. They're both based on the NT 6.0 kernel.

Server 2008 R2 is the server version of Windows 7. They're both based on the NT 6.1 kernel.

Server 2012 is the server version of Windows 8.

RE: Time pressure
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:13:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but you are making the mistake of thinking people posting here with their anti MS garbage actually use things like facts when they make their statements.

They make up whatever they need to in order to attempt to prove their point, which is generally not their point, it is the point someone else made that they read and decided to blindly follow.

RE: Time pressure
By 91TTZ on 8/1/2012 3:43:42 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft has announced that they will begin depreciating the Desktop, and that Metro is the future for Windows. That's certainly a major change for them, as it obsoletes everything from before. You're forced into dealing with Metro no matter how much you want to remain with the Desktop. It is what it is, like it or not.

Or it'll backfire on them and they'll drive their desktop-loving customers to Apple.

That would be pretty ironic since the entire idea of this big mobile-centric Metro push was to gain inroads into the mobile space. Their plan is to achieve a common look with their mobile offerings so that their loyal desktop users would buy Windows Phones and Surface tablets instead of iPhones and iPads. Right now Apple is absolutely dominating Microsoft in the mobile space, and it looks like Microsoft is going to abandon the desktop market in an ill-fated attempt to gain mobile users.


What Microsoft wants: Get their loyal desktop users(98% of the desktop market) to adopt the Metro look so they'll eventually come around and buy Microsoft mobile products that also use the Metro UI.

What Microsoft might get: Disenfranchise their loyal Windows desktop users (98% of the market) in an attempt to get users to buy Microsoft mobile products that also use the Metro UI. Those users buy Apple desktops which remind them of the iOS devices they probably already have.

RE: Time pressure
By augiem on 8/1/2012 6:18:13 PM , Rating: 2
MS and Apple are both moving toward the iOS model for desktop and mobile space. Every version of OSX gets more and more iOS-like. Win 8 is just a leap instead of a baby step toward that goal. Ultimately, a single unified platform running content and programs entirely from the cloud is likely the goal for both companies. Google will be the third as soon as they decide to make Android for x86.

The OS's keeps getting cheaper year by year as these companies prepare for the future that you no longer sell people an OS but rather make your money from sales of digital goods and providing cloud services for them to do all their "stuff" at home, work, or on the go.

RE: Time pressure
By kingmotley on 8/1/2012 4:20:48 PM , Rating: 2
Just about everything you said is wrong. Vista wasn't taken from Server 2003. The longhorn project is what became Vista. There was a lot more involved with the Vista changes than just "some features for content" and wrapping some security functions. Like, prioritized I/O, and granular task manager, and completely rewritten display and network stacks. Many didn't like Vista at it's release, but it was an awesome product that got the bad end of some press. Granted there were some issues, but mostly minor ones, and some poor driver support. Once the 3rd party vendors got around to delivering decent drivers, Vista ran very well. More stable than XP and more resiliant/responsive under load.

In comparison, Windows 7 was small tweaks and some minor UI changes.

RE: Time pressure
By melgross on 8/2/2012 2:40:54 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, everything I said is correct.

Microsoft redirected development of Vista to the Server 2003 code base. To say that they continued to use the NAME Longhorn afterwards, as the project wound down prior to the release of Vista, would be correct. But the project that began as Longhorn was essentially abandoned after they finished flinging the major features away.

This is pretty well known, as was discussed on virtually every site. Even Wiki has it in their article. Just read down to the third paragraph:

Another article about this has Microsoft stopping a project based on that Longhorn code base. It also describes that Vista had moved to Server 2003.

I can find a lot more article's if you want me too. They're all over the place.

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