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Windows 8 hits a milestone

Microsoft announced today that Windows 8 has been released to manufacturing (RTM). If you've been keeping up with the development of Windows 8, you already know that the official consumer release date for Microsoft's next generation operating system is October 26.
 
MSDN/TechNet members will get their first crack at Windows 8 on August 15. Members of Microsoft's Software Assurance program will have access one day later. Microsoft Action Pack Providers will be eligible on August 20 and Volume License customers can purchase the operating system on September 1.
 
As previously reported, customers can upgrade to Windows 8 via download for only $39.99 or $69.99 via a disc. For those that simply can't wait until October 26 to purchase a new computer, Microsoft is offering customers the chance to upgrade to Windows 8 for $14.99 via the Windows Upgrade Offer program.

 
Microsoft’s Steven Sinofsky had this to say about the development of Windows 8:
 
Back when we first demonstrated Windows 8 in May 2011, we described it as “reimagining Windows, from the chipset to the experience,” and that is what Windows 8 (and Windows RT) represents for both Microsoft and partners. The collective work: from the silicon, to the user experience, to new apps, has been an incredibly collaborative effort. Together we are bringing to customers a new PC experience that readies Windows PCs for a new world of scenarios and experiences, while also preserving an industry-wide 25-year investment in Windows software.
 
And for those wondering, the final build number for Windows 8 RTM is 9200.16384.win8_rtm.120725-1247

Sources: Microsoft [1], [2]



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RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 1:32:43 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I can't believe they're offering this for $40.


Having used it, I can believe it. It would be criminal to charge anything more for it.


RE: Can't wait
By tayb on 8/1/2012 1:45:57 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft account login/Windows Live syncing
Redesigned task manager
Xbox Live integration
Storage spaces
Windows Defender built in
Picture/Pin authentication
Increased boot speed
Refresh/Reset recovery
Bootable from USB
USB 3.0 support
Vastly improved search functionality
Improved application "snapping" for multi-tasking
Re-designed and improved control panel
Vastly improved copy/paste functionality
Charms bar (bet you've never heard of it)
File history
Built in PDF reader

Just to name a few great features that either don't exist in Windows 7 or are greatly improved. Oh, but, the start screen, oh the humanity!! I have to press Windows+D to get to my desktop!!!


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 2:03:08 PM , Rating: 2
Just ignore reclaimer, he is a troll who posts anti microsoft drivel in all articles he gets his grubby MS hating hands on.


RE: Can't wait
By melgross on 8/1/2012 2:03:56 PM , Rating: 5
If that's all you have to say about the usability of 8 then you haven't used the two previews. There's a good reason why so many people, including long time Microsoft users, are pulling their hair out over this.

And just wait until you use the Desktop on a tablet. You'll just love it!


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 2:08:09 PM , Rating: 5
I will love using the desktop on my surface tablet that comes with full keyboard and touchpad support built into the screen cover. Can't wait.

I am a long time Windows user and have embraced each new version with an open mind, not stuck on how things were done in the last version and how they are done now. If I find certain things are now harder to do than before, that is one thing, but I have not had that experience in Windows 8. While I am sure someone will post some half baked rank about no start button or how they miss the start menu versus the start screen, I am just not one of those people.


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 2:31:18 PM , Rating: 5
Surface is where Windows 8, specifically Metro, belongs though. We're talking about the nightmare Windows 8 is on the Desktop computer. So, yeah, way to completely NOT get it here.

It's just a bad idea to roll your tablet, phone, and desktop OS all into one solution and think it's going to work out for everyone. Especially given that you cannot have a streamlined mobile OS when there's 25 years of Windows code piled on it's back. There's a reason iPhone's and iPads run iOS, not OSX.


RE: Can't wait
By StevoLincolnite on 8/1/2012 2:54:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There's a reason iPhone's and iPads run iOS, not OSX.


iOS also don't run high-powered Intel processors.

Remember that Arm chips are in the same league as Atom processors, which in turn don't have the IPC that can even match a Pentium 3 Tualatin, let alone Sandy or Ivy bridge.

Microsoft+Intel will pretty much have the high-end performance tablets locked down, tablets which can actually do work like transcode video from the tablet to every video screen in a car.

You can't compare the iPad to an Intel+Windows 8 tablet, they're completely different beasts and from a performance perspective, the iPad will loose every time, no contest.


RE: Can't wait
By 91TTZ on 8/1/2012 2:59:46 PM , Rating: 3
His point was about the UI design, not the hardware specs. He's saying that what is optimal on a desktop is different than what is optimal on a touchscreen device.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 3:07:16 PM , Rating: 2
Except I run Win8 on 2 non touch devices (desktop and laptop) and I have no problem at all using a mouse. None. No issue. It is EASIER to click a tile with the mouse than a smaller icon from a previous OS. The mouse and keyboard work absolutely 100% fine in Win8. Reclaimer is just a pure ignorant MS hating troll. Nothing more, nothing less.


RE: Can't wait
By 91TTZ on 8/1/2012 3:24:47 PM , Rating: 3
But I've used Windows 8 and Server 2012 on the desktop, and I find them both to be harder to use than previous versions. The entire UI seems to be optimized for touch screens. It's as if Microsoft resorted to the lowest common denominator between desktops and touchscreens.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:07:50 PM , Rating: 2
Optimized for touch screens? Doesn't that just mean things are bigger so you can click them with a finger? A mouse cursor is smaller than a finger, so it should make those things even easier to click with a mouse...


RE: Can't wait
By 91TTZ on 8/1/2012 4:20:44 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, optimized for touch screens. Here's the main difference:

With desktops, screens have become much larger over the years and that increased desktop real estate is used to fit more icons or more content into that area.

Once mobile devices came around, suddenly screens have become much smaller. Whereas many people have 20, 22, or 24" monitors on their desktop, touchscreens are usually 4"-10". This means that icons must be much larger and they take up a much larger percentage of the screen. If you put those same graphics on a desktop it looks a bit ridiculous and inefficient.

It seems like your only point is that it's easier to click on a few giant buttons instead of many smaller buttons.


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:22:30 PM , Rating: 2
You can't resize what windows? Metro application windows? Metro apps run full screen (or side bared).

You can certainly use the scroll wheel in the metro start screen. it scrolls the screen from left to right. If you hold ctrl and scroll, it zooms out so you can see your groups of tiles, name them, organize them, etc..

So where does the scroll not work in the start screen?

What am I not being honest about? You think I am lying that I like Windows 8? That I have no problems with it without the use of a touchscreen?

You can have any opinion you like, it is to be respected. You post lies though, and for that you are branded a troll.


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 4:29:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Metro apps run full screen (or side bared).


Exactly! God are you really this stupid? Can't you see how retarded it is to force us into full screen apps like our PC's are phones and tablets? That is NOT the Windows experience we know and love.

quote:
So where does the scroll not work in the start screen?


You can't scroll VERTICALLY! You know, like everything else we use does 100% of the time? Left and right, just for the sake of it, is another touch-screen iteration that works poorly with a desktop PC and mouse.

And you call me a troll, kid, you can't brand anyone much less me.


RE: Can't wait
By kingmotley on 8/1/2012 4:32:27 PM , Rating: 2
He doesn't need to brand you anything, you've pretty much branded yourself in every article here in DailyTech.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:46:00 PM , Rating: 2
Metro apps are supposed to be full screen. You constantly ignore the fact that the desktop is still there and desktop apps can run in windows just like they always did and you can resize them up and down and side to side until your heart is content. Metro apps (Which if you don't want any you don't have to install any) run full screen. Can't you see how retarded it is that you can't get that concept into your pea sized brain? The "windows experience" you "know and love" is a desktop click away. Get the fuck over it already.

"can't scroll vertically"... well I see we have hit a new low of things to complain about. How the fuck is scrolling vertically with a mouse or scrolling horizontally with a mouse different other than the scroll orientation? Still works the same way with a scrollbar or a mouse wheel, or a finger. So how in the hell is that a touch screen only thing? Don't you see how baseless your comments are?


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 6:32:52 PM , Rating: 1
Thank you for validating what an asshat you are.


RE: Can't wait
By WalksTheWalk on 8/2/2012 1:26:23 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, although not as strongly.

Windows 8 is foisting a touch UI onto the desktop. This is a concession Microsoft is making to compete in the tablet space and many users are upset because they are offering no other options. Sure, you can still use all of your desktop apps and software makers will still make desktop apps in the future. BUT, Microsoft is trying to push the Metro interface and their app store into the mainstream where the same window rules don't apply, and even hamstring the desktop experience. As more and more applications move to Metro without a classic desktop version, the limitations and issues of Windows 8 with Metro apps when using a mouse and keyboard become obvious.

I love the idea of a desktop and touch OS in one, but Microsoft could have merged the two much better. For instance, on desktops they could have made Metro apps appear in a window on the desktop where the window can be rotated to simulate a tablet experience. Windows could remember the window orientation so the next time you launch that Metro app it comes up in the orientation. This is just one observation of many.


RE: Can't wait
By noirsoft on 8/3/2012 6:05:24 AM , Rating: 2
We understand your point well. The problem is that your point is nonsense. Windows 8 empirically works just fine with a keyboard and mouse: either just as good as, or better than Windows 7 for the same tasks. Your incoherent rantings (OMG, I can't scroll vertically in something that doesn't have content in the vertical direction!) are like complaining that you can't pedal your automobile while ignoring that just using the engine provided in the car is actually faster.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/1/2012 9:18:53 PM , Rating: 1
The Win8x86 tablet will win? Okay, put it against the iPad on a convention floor for 10 hours... see which one is working after 5~6 hours of usage.


RE: Can't wait
By StevoLincolnite on 8/2/2012 12:14:18 AM , Rating: 2
I have a Convertible Netbook Tablet with Windows on it. I get 11 hours of battery life with the screen at 50% brightness and browsing the web.

Significantly more than that 5-6 hour number.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/2/2012 3:00:11 AM , Rating: 2
Really?! They make a 1.35lb netbook that gets 9+ hours on a regular battery pack?


RE: Can't wait
By tayb on 8/1/2012 3:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We're talking about the nightmare Windows 8 is on the Desktop computer. So, yeah, way to completely NOT get it here.


I don't know how you can continue to claim to have used Windows 8 when you still do not understand that the desktop is still there and is relatively unchanged from Windows 7. This is a fundamental aspect of Windows 8 that anyone who has spent more than 3 seconds using the OS would understand.


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 4:00:26 PM , Rating: 3
Tayb Windows 8 is a touch screen OS, not a desktop OS. Accept that and let's move on. I know the desktop is still there, that doesn't matter. Windows will continue to Metroize the Windows experience and push more and more for it's use and development until it WILL be the default UI for Windows.

And you know what, have some credibility and stop making me seem like some oddball holdout. Read Anandtech forums, do some Google searches. There's literally MILLIONS of people who have the same opinion I do about Windows 8. Hell a freaking well known Windows analyst, someone who makes a living talking about this stuff, called Windows 8 the "next Windows ME". Hello?

When Windows 8 was made available for testing, what's the FIRST thing the community did? Yup, they found a Registry hack and disabled Metro. Maybe that should clue you in? The biggest change to the Windows ecosystem ever made, and all testers wanted to do was turn it the freak off. That's all you need to know right there about how Metro is being received by desktop pc users.

So you can make it all about me if you want, fine, I can take all comers. But maybe just get a clue.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:09:24 PM , Rating: 1
Everything you just said is not true and sensationalized.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 4:09:55 PM , Rating: 2
Oh and it is also not backed with any actual facts or references. But why bother with things like facts right reclaimer?


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 4:18:32 PM , Rating: 2
If that was the case you would have bothered refuting me with some kind of evidence, not just your own bias. I can back everything up that I said, let's see you pretend to do the same.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1238259/poll-will-you-b...

Respected forum showing massive Windows 8 dislike polling

http://www.pcworld.com/article/251490/windows_8_su...

Half of Windows 8 testers wouldn't recommend it.

And I have way more but the stupid spam filter is being a Nazi. Also the analyst calling it the next ME was in a article right here on DT written by Jason Mick. Not true? How dare you call me a liar!

This isn't some myopic story about me or a friend, these are thousands of people's opinions. Which last time I checked counted for a crapton more than just yours.


RE: Can't wait
By kingmotley on 8/1/2012 4:29:48 PM , Rating: 2
In what universe is overclock.net respected?

And according to the pcworld article you quoted, less than half liked the metro UI, but there were 17.1% that would HIGHLY recommend it, and almost half that would. Of course if 49.6% of the Windows user base upgraded, most would consider that a highly successful release, especially coming off the heals of the Windows 7 release, which was pretty good in its own right.


RE: Can't wait
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2012 4:37:33 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yeah, I'm sure you would be ecstatic to know 17% of a target demographic wanted to buy your product. Come on, are you trolling me now?

And like I said, I had WAY more links. DT won't let you post many. You can Google to your hearts content, the consensus out there right now is that Metro is NOT loved. It's not even liked.

quote:
Of course if 49.6% of the Windows user base upgraded, most would consider that a highly successful release


Not really, if you thought about it.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/1/2012 8:50:06 PM , Rating: 1
Your arguments are valid...

And think about this, the KIND of people who use beta software are techie-types, those who are willing to use the cutting edge. The general population are far worse when it comes to things like this. It'll anger them more-so.

My bet, MS will continue with the metro, force feed it no matter what. Since they are that stupid, I hope Apple desktop market share doubles in 6 months. I hope ChromeOS explodes.

Think about this, if you really don't need Windows Anymore (Metro is the future) why the hell bother with microsoft?

Any computer with a web-browser will work, even a 1992 Amiga will browse the modern web.


RE: Can't wait
By cyberserf on 8/2/2012 7:35:54 AM , Rating: 3
those who like metroOS probably use like 5 apps. they have no clue people actually do work on their PC's and prefer multitasking with an clean deskop


RE: Can't wait
By noirsoft on 8/3/2012 6:06:55 AM , Rating: 2
Windows 8 is both a touchscreen OS and a perfectly usable desktop OS. Just accept that and move on.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/1/2012 8:41:31 PM , Rating: 1
Metro on the desktop is a dumbshit way of doing things. It didn't solve anything, it didn't improve anything, it didn't make anything better. Its just a change for touch-screen.

Therefore, Metro is pure shit.

It gets old really quick.


RE: Can't wait
By NellyFromMA on 8/2/2012 10:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
Easy solution. Stay on Win 7 best desktop OS around. Make way for Win 8, best mobile OS to be. See, easy solution and no idiotic arguing. Let the consumers decide. Amazing!


RE: Can't wait
By melgross on 8/1/2012 2:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, before you use it, you just can't wait. There is a very good reason why XP, Vista and Win 7 tablets failed so spectacularly. The Desktop and apps just are barely usable on a tablet. And the smaller the tablet, the less usable they are. It took ten years, and the succes of the iPad for Microsoft to understand that.

Before, the apps that worked were written specially for the tablet. They mostly consisted in warehouse listings apps that used taps into squares as we used to have on the computerized tests in school, and perhaps a signature and maybe a sentence or two written in.

If Microsoft, or users think that you're going to want to use a keyboard and trackpad most of the time, then buy a notebook instead. I wonder just how well those covers will work, as Microsoft made such a big deal of them during the intro, but then refused to allow anyone to try them after saying how well they worked.


RE: Can't wait
By kleinma on 8/1/2012 3:10:39 PM , Rating: 2
They were prototypes. Did Steve Jobs get up on stage and show the first iPhone and then toss it out in the crowd for people to play with? All they need are idiot reporters talking about how something didn't work for it to turn into some stupid PR issue of how "bad" it is because an early prototype had some issue that was probably a known issue and slated for fixing prior to release.

I wouldn't let anyone touch it either.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/1/2012 9:02:53 PM , Rating: 2
Prototypes? WTF are you talking about? XP, Vista and Win7 tablets devices have been on the market since 2002. They were NOT prototypes. They are/were consumer products.


RE: Can't wait
By geddarkstorm on 8/1/2012 3:23:24 PM , Rating: 2
Surface looks amazing, particularly the Core i5 Ivybridge version. That's the tablet I'd want to get if I could. Though, gotta wait for the reviews to be sure.


RE: Can't wait
By kingmotley on 8/1/2012 4:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
To be fair, if Microsoft changed the blue hued stuff on the desktop to green hued stuff there would be a ton of people up in arms as well. I try to ignore the crazies and judge stuff myself.


RE: Can't wait
By augiem on 8/1/12, Rating: 0
RE: Can't wait
By augiem on 8/2/2012 3:06:39 PM , Rating: 2
I'm entitled to my opinion. I evaluated every beta of Windows 8 and hated it every time. They've given me no reason to upgrade.


RE: Can't wait
By Belard on 8/1/2012 4:13:58 PM , Rating: 2
Long time MS Windows Users have lost their hair a long time ago. we are older... and already pulled.


RE: Can't wait
By rburnham on 8/1/2012 2:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
Or just click the desktop tile. Oh my FINGER!

Seriously though, I have gotten over the initial awkwardness and I am all in. I might even grab a touchscreen to use as a secondary monitor to mirror the desktop just for the fun of it.


RE: Can't wait
By augiem on 8/1/2012 3:11:59 PM , Rating: 2
>> Microsoft account login/Windows Live syncing
>> Xbox Live integration
>> Re-designed and "improved" control panel
>> Charms bar (Yes I have heard of it)
>> Windows Defender built in

These are supposed to be pluses? You and I have very different definitions of "improved". Yuck. I seriously do not like the MS account login.

>> Increased boot speed

This is essentially sleep which Windows Vista/7 already do just fine.

>> Storage spaces

While interesting, I dislike the idea because its yet another layer of abstraction and therefore potential for more problems.

The rest are extremely minor tweaks/improvements. There's nothing in that list that's must have in the least or that will make my daily use any easier or better.


RE: Can't wait
By noirsoft on 8/3/2012 6:15:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:

These are supposed to be pluses? You and I have very different definitions of "improved". Yuck. I seriously do not like the MS account login.

So don't use it. If you are one of the 300+ million people who have a Microsoft account already, using that as a login and having the ability to sync across computers is a huge plus.

quote:
This is essentially sleep which Windows Vista/7 already do just fine.

Nope. Increased boot speed from a cold boot.

quote:
The rest are extremely minor tweaks/improvements. There's nothing in that list that's must have in the least or that will make my daily use any easier or better.

Your opinion, of course, heavily tempered by the fact that you won't give it a fair trial. Like many people with minds smaller than their mouths, you took one look at Metro and decided that everything about Win8 was bad before you ever tried it, which clearly influences your experience if you have tried it.


RE: Can't wait
By TheJian on 8/7/2012 8:23:04 AM , Rating: 2
LOL...

I don't use winblows live now...8 won't change that.

A new task manager? I spend so much time in it now...I'm really excited...

xbox live integration? I care why? My bluray player already sees all DLNA etc. and streams any mkv,x264/h264, xvid, divx yada yada...Anything shared on the network is seen by my BD670...Wireless or wired...and I have an xbox and still don't use it as an htpc/media center...No reason to.

storage spaces?...LOL. I'm trying to see the use of this on a desktop. Most users only have ONE drive still (ok, I have 4 in, and 9 out, but I'm not most people), and tying them all together isn't going to be much different than raid or options already in disk management for years.

Windows Defender built in?...LOL@anyone using anything from MS for AV/Firewall protection. Even comodo/zonealarm blows this away (etc...)

Picture or pin login? For what? A 4pin password is a password...Gestures for passwords?...LOL. Whatever. I can type faster than that and good luck seeing it as fast as I type it...I'm trying to see an advantage here...Nope...Can't.

Increased boot speed?...LOL. I boot all day. It's a productivity app I swear. SSD's make this pointless anyway. I boot once a month if that in 7 or xp64 and both happen in seconds not minutes. But wow....ROFL.

Reset/Refresh recovery...I need win8 for that?...LOL. I can't already do that in 1000 ways?

Bootable from USB? So how am I booting from Win7 on flash drives now? Will 8 make that magically delicious or something? Google this for 2 million results:
"windows 7 bootable flash drive" without the quotes if you're not that smart.

USB 3.0 support? So win7 can't do that? How are my 2x3TB Seagate Goflex drives working at 3.0 speeds now? Am I just magical? Even XP works fine with 3.0 at 3.0 speeds...Smoke crack much?

"Vastly" Improved search? Can you prove that? I wouldn't need to SEARCH for my apps if you'd just have left start menu in...LOL. People search 3 times more for apps than files?...ROFL, because you took away the start menu/quick launch morons...I juse my desktop as a quicklaunch now anyway. My most used apps a one click away, just as before...searching just takes another step...That's what the start menu/quicklaunch is/was for...ROFL...dumb/slow. New start search filters etc...LOL. And that's quicker than a quick launched app or start menu click how?

App snapping for multitasking? On tablets I guess this has some merit...But dual monitors/taskbar in win7/xp make this pointless in my view. Who works without dual monitors when two 22's can be had for $250? Myself I have a 24/22. Me and my taskbar can beat you and win8 any day.

Improved control panel? XP list view was already fine. First thing I turned off in win7 was the dumb icon's/category view...LOL. So slow.

Vastly improved copy/paste? You mean it actually works now? ROFL. XYplorer/totalcommander FTW... :) I admit this is truly broken in Win7. Explorer is functionally USELESS in win7. It spends forever calculating or discovering crap that is instant in XP of any version. Not hard to improve on 7. But once you go xyplorer or totalcommander you can't go back to anything less.

Charms bar?...ROFLMAO. Can I pretend I've never heard of it?

File history? And how is this different from any backup app, version history, or system restore? Already have it all...Just a new name to sell me the same thing.
"What you need to know in this regard is that it is only available if an external drive is connected to the computer or if a network location for backups is available, and that only files on local drives can be monitored by the feature."
http://www.ghacks.net/2012/07/11/windows-8-file-hi...
OK, so it's nothing new and depending on how you look at it, seriously more limiting than before?...ROFL.

Built in PDF reader?...You really get excited over built in 2nd rate crap don't you? No, I don't use acrobat either...LOL. Sumatra etc are far better, faster and lighter.. Heck chrome has pdf built in already...Though chrome to me is kind of like consolizing my pc games...Just consolizing my browser...Firefox is where I live, I don't need my browser experience DUMBED DOWN.

Windows+D is worth killing my start menu? Once click is faster than going to the winkey+d. Quicklaunch is also faster. Going to my desktop is a waste of my time. You just insist on slowing us down eh? Win+D is an improvement how? Raise your hand if you know more than 5 keyboard shortcuts...I don't see many hands raised...LOL. Raise your hand if you WANT to learn keyboard shortcuts instead of clicking your mouse once...Nope, still no hands...

Are we done yet?...LOL. Keep drinking the cool-aide.

Do you actually charge for all this crapola that just slows me down? It's not FREE? So you want to charge me for all this inconvenience? I have to learn all kinds of crap for nothing? Booting from a 4k native drive is the only thing I can see in win8 that's useful and I never plan on booting from a drive that big anyway, not to mention I'll never boot from anything but an SSD ever again unless they die...LOL. I'm trying to understand the excitement but I just can't.

Can you explain it again but say something meaningful this time? How much is microsoft paying you for this crap? Do you work for them?


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