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Apple also gives gay couples a "shout out" in iOS 6 "emojis"

Remember those little marriage icons on, Inc. (FB)?  Well the site, which at times has been accused of being intolerant to homosexuality, has stirred up a pot of worms by adding special icons to celebrate the marriage of gay couples.

When one of the network's 900 million users posts that they got hitched, traditionally they were treated with a standard heterosexual male and female cake-topper style icon.  Homosexual couples received the same icon, much to their chagrin.

But in the U.S. over the weekend, users began to notice new icons -- two males or two females -- were introduced.   

Facebook gay marriage
Facebook has added gay marriage icons. [Image Source: Facebook via CNN]

James Lazar, a 38-year-old Chicago man was married (to a man), but had refused to change his status for some time due to the male-female icon.  He commented, "I don't like being forced into typical gender roles -- because we aren't.  I think it's offensive."

But he eventually bit the bullet and updated his profile to reflect his marriage.  And to his surprise and delight shortly thereafter his icon changed to two men.  He recalls in a CNN interview, "I honestly didn't realize it was going to show up in my feed.  I have 80,000 people 'liking' it and congratulating me and I'm like, 'Well, it was seven years ago!'"

Apple emojis
Apple includes gay "emojis" in iOS6. [Image Source: Gizmodo]

The Facebook change comes shortly after Apple, Inc. (AAPL) opted to update iOS 6 to include gay couples expressing various affectionate gestures in its canned text message image responses ("emojis").

Source: CNN

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RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 9:06:17 AM , Rating: 0
In other words, gay people are great as long as they don't exist.

You know where this comes from? Sexism. Some men are effeminate and others aren't. Unless you're sexist, effeminacy is not something that should be counted against anyone.

There is evidence that there is a range of masculinity and femininity in gay men. That doesn't mean masculine gay men are better people unless you're sexist.

Unfortunately, from what I've seen, there are a lot of sexist people. Women are just as good as men are. It's time to recognize that and stop putting down effeminate men.

RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 10:36:26 AM , Rating: 2
In other words, gay people are great as long as they don't exist.

That's not what he said at all. The theme of the post was that LGBT in his experience are just regular people, not some stereotyped caricature ala Bruno.

RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: Better Strategy
By geddarkstorm on 7/6/2012 2:51:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's your thinking that is flawed. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have to suddenly act different. A person is who a person is; gay or straight should not affect your behavior outside the bed, as that's the only place -where it even matters-.

People forget they can be sexist or racist to themselves by trying to set themselves apart on purpose, by believing they -must- be different.

RE: Better Strategy
By geddarkstorm on 7/6/2012 2:58:08 PM , Rating: 2
I should clarify, the point is you should only be who you are. If that fits into a stereotype, fine. But a person should never go out of their way to change themselves so that they fit a stereotype, because they are straight or because they are gay or because they are purple.

That to me is the greatest offense. The whole idea that you must be different is destructive. Just be a person, you.

RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:20:39 PM , Rating: 2
There is evidence that gay men tend toward having hybrid characteristics.

One study found that most gay men employ reasoning strategies shown by most heterosexual men and heterosexual women, rather than only employing the strategies typically used by heterosexual men. The study also found that most gay women tend toward typically heterosexual male reasoning strategies.

Another study found that gay men tend to have more feminine finger length patterns, indicating less testosterone exposure in the womb.

Another study found brain differences in which the brains of gay people were more like those of the opposite sex than heterosexual brains typically are.

At the same time, there are some gay men who are very masculine and some gay women who are very feminine. However, the studies point toward most gay people being somewhat hybridized.

Our culture worships masculinity and a great deal of opprobrium against gay men (and lesbians to a lesser, but still significant extent) comes from a sense of outrage over crossing gender lines. Since our culture worships masculinity, effeminacy in males is considered particularly egregious.

The fact that some gay people conform well to our rigid typical heterosexual gender role does not mean it's OK to put those people on a pedestal and look down on those who don't. The "I know gay people who don't fit the stereotypes; they're role models for other gays" thing is exactly that thinking. It's not healthy for anyone, including heterosexual males who feel oppressed by the strictness of the gender role and resort to cross-dressing (usually cross-dressers are especially "masculine" in appearance, demeanor, and occupation).

RE: Better Strategy
By Steve1981 on 7/6/2012 3:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
No, the idea is that gay people can be invisible because their qualities are indistinguishable from heterosexuals and that that's a good thing.

Is the ability to fit in a bad thing in your eyes? If so, why?

The idea is that gay people who possess qualities that fit the stereotypes, particularly effeminate men, are inferior.

Who's idea? I don't see it as being implied by Samus' post that you responded to. I certainly don't think of effeminate men as inferior, gay or not. Then again, I probably wouldn't given that I'm not the paragon of macho-manlyness. Of course, few are.

RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/30/2012 9:33:48 PM , Rating: 2
Conformity has good and bad qualities. Excessive conformity, where the ability of a person's to contribute is impaired, is obviously bad for society. Yet, excessive conformity is generally the rule.

I don't see it as being implied by Samus' post that you responded to.

It is. But, more importantly, our culture believes that. So, debating whether or not a specific poster intended that implication or not isn't nearly as useful as acknowledging the implication and why it's important.

But, a lot of folks would rather hide it because they feel it doesn't apply to them. The fact is that minorities help to enrich culture and policies that are socially corrosive affect the entire culture, not just the obvious targets.

RE: Better Strategy
By 91TTZ on 7/6/2012 1:42:52 PM , Rating: 2
I think you're hurting your cause by being horribly annoying. I'm not bigoted but when I hear people whine like you do, I do my best to shut them up.

I don't care whether you're gay or straight, effeminate or masculine- but annoying is annoying. And you're annoying.

Now shut up.

RE: Better Strategy
By superstition on 7/6/2012 2:21:50 PM , Rating: 1
Ad hominem is a fallacy. Your post offers nothing else.

The abusive response is unwarranted and unhelpful.

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