Sources: CERN, Atlas Team, CMS Team
quote: What real evidence do we have that space exists? Don't tell me because it's what we perceive. What evidence do we have that time exists? We don't - it's another human invention (limitation) we apply to make things more palatable to our way of thinking.
quote: You see, philosphy governs our perception of things
quote: We don't know what nothing is. If I open my clenched fist and you look at it, what do you see? Most people would answer--I see what is in your hand. So, assuming there isn't anything in my hand, they reply, "I see nothing in your hand." So then you ask them, "So you see nothing, well, classify that nothing, what is it?" Most people would look at you with a blank face and blink their eyes.
quote: Well, we can't! We can't be sure. There is no certainty of it, at least, right now since the scientific community can not even wrap their hands around such a seemingly simple concept and provide an intelligent, accurate answer. They can't.
quote: I disagree. Philosophy QUESTIONS our perceptions on the things around us. But our perceptions of reality aren't governed by it.
quote: I don't think that's philosophy more than it is a silly mind game or thought exercise. And yes, a tree falling in the woods DOES make a sound even if nobody is there to hear it :)
quote: Not following to be honest. The fact that we cannot always quantify something or explain how it works, doesn't change it's reality. That's a typically arrogant human way of looking at things.
quote: We know space exists, and we can be sure of that. This is obvious. The fact that all it's secrets haven't been revealed is irrelevant to the philosophical discussion here imo.
quote: If space isn't real, than obviously, neither are we. At which point I guess this discussion is moot lol.
quote: Uhhhh, no?? Why would they be the same?
quote: On the other the scene hasn't changed at all, your just a lot smaller.
quote: You're making the assumption that if you scale down the size of you body and get really close to an atom all you'll see is a cluster of chaotic particles. That hasn't changed anything about the scene at all, why would anything change at all, of course it's the same. The coffee is still there, you're still wacthing yourself(?) smell and look at the coffee.
quote: The fact that we cannot always quantify something or explain how it works, doesn't change it's reality.
quote: I think that is how existence works on a fundamental level. It's really just nothing, but since nothing can also be anything simultaneously we get to exist as just one of an infinite number of somethings.
quote: Matter is simply large pockets of "nothing" loosely, or densely, held together by molecules. It's really not THAT hard to comprehend that outer space is a much more vast area of pockets of "nothing" interspersed with dense galaxies, radiation, and other molecules. Space is actually not a true vacuum, there's about 2 hydrogen atoms per cubic meter of space on average. So it's not "nothing".
quote: Just because we perceive it as "nothing", doesn't make it so.
quote: That is correct and that is why we must solve it.
quote: That's how science works. You and Eric can philosophize all you want, but that kind of thinking doesn't really get us anywhere.
quote: On the contrary; being unwilling or unable to look at things from a perspective other than your own ensures that many mysteries will remain mysteries.
quote: Because if "reality is a human invention", and we're just making up everything we perceive, then the truth is simply what we imagine it to be. In which case things like science, proof, facts, and truth are subjective in the extreme.