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  (Source: Microsoft)
Any version of Windows XP, Vista, or 7 will be eligible for inexpensive upgrade

Say what you will about its touch reforms, and extreme user interface makeover, but Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is at least moving aggressively to give its customers a favorable price point.

To counter Apple, Inc.'s (AAPL) $19.99 USD Mountain Lion licensing, Microsoft is offering Windows 8 "Pro" for only $39.99 USD via download.  A DVD version will be available for $69.99 USD (that's one expensive disc).  Clearly Microsoft is trying to funnel customers to its online process, which it hopes will lead to a more pain-free and automated installation.

Comments Microsoft:

We believe that your upgrade experience in Windows 8 will be a breeze by offering a faster experience, a single upgrade path, and compatibility from prior versions of Windows. We’ve continued to listen to our customers and have expanded the ability to download to over 100 countries and 37 languages. We have simplified the Windows upgrade experience with the Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant which supports you during your upgrade with everything from selecting your language to pausing your download to built-in compatibility checks - it’s seamless. And if you’re an enthusiast you will have the flexibility to download and control how you upgrade.

Somewhat strangely Microsoft is offering customers who purchase the download the option to purchase a backup DVD for $15.  In other words you can order the download and get a DVD via the backup option for $54.99 USD, or pay $15 USD extra to buy it in store.

It seems a bit counterintuitive, to say the least.

Of course if you want to snag a download or disc install be sure to first check that your hardware is capable of running Windows 8.  To test that you can grab Microsoft's Release Preview of Windows 8 from here, which comes with a test-phase build of the upgrade assitant.

Windows Team engineer Brandon LeBlanc writes Microsoft is continuing to "drive toward the RTM milestone."

Source: Windows Team Blog



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39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/2012 4:40:28 PM , Rating: 5

I think it will be great for tablets and laptops with touch screens, or even a media PC as a 10ft interface, but for my desktop. Nah....Ill pass.




RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/2012 4:42:35 PM , Rating: 1
FML...

title should have been

39$ to get rid of my start button?


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By BruceLeet on 7/3/2012 7:14:18 AM , Rating: 4
Why! WHY! no proofread?!?!?!?!?!

Using just a tad of common sense I got what you meant though.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Gnarr on 7/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/3/2012 10:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
Youd think that would help, but yeah....not so much :P


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Da W on 7/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/2012 4:53:48 PM , Rating: 5
I do fuck stick. Why else would I have made the comment? I think its a step backwards for a desktop.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By polishvendetta on 7/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/3/2012 12:08:14 PM , Rating: 5
Have I commented on every article? nope. Did I feel like commenting on this one? yup. It wasnt until the latest release candidate that they removed the code for it, and that was a month ago, not months. Its a forum!!! share your opinion! but dont lie.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Da W on 7/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/3/2012 12:15:51 PM , Rating: 3
You cherry pick my post and call me a dick? OK, now lift your boy toys nuts off your eyes and read the damn post. I only said I would pass for my desktop. For tablets, laptops, and even media PCs I think its great, just not for my desktop.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By EricMartello on 7/3/2012 4:12:14 PM , Rating: 1
The start button may not show up but I heard MS is including an edit button if visit Microsoft's website and enter the following key seqence: Hold down "CTRL" then press S+T+F+U, and right after that hit "F4+G" at the same time.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/3/2012 5:56:27 PM , Rating: 1
How clever of you. In order to keep from confusing you, I wont hide it in pretend commands. Fuck off.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By 91TTZ on 7/2/2012 4:56:50 PM , Rating: 5
Most Windows users use it.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By kleinma on 7/2/2012 5:00:10 PM , Rating: 2
It is still there, the start menu just takes up the entire screen now and is called the start screen.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/2012 5:05:47 PM , Rating: 3
They should shrink it back down to a tile, a round one that sits in the bottom left corner. No need to take up the whole screen.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By kleinma on 7/2/12, Rating: 0
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/2/2012 5:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
JTMFC....
Your insight into my computer usage habits is amazing! Read my first post.

Ive downloaded and used every beta and pre release build. Even played with it on an MSI Windpad for a bit. If the Windpad was a bit faster i would have really enjoyed it. Like I said in MY FIRST POST, I think its great for tablets, and latops w touch screens, and media PCs as a 10ft interface. Not on my primary desktop.

WTF do you think I use it for? From the start menu I access my documents, my programs I use at work. Granted I do have some apps pinned, but I use a lot of different programs and pinning them all is retarded. I have certain windows that are up all the time so having icons underneath them does me no good. Thats why i like my start menu.

I dont want MS to turn the UI into a bunch of giganto tiles. To me its counterproductive on a desktop. I do want them to continue to improve security, streamline the OS, and make it more efficient. I want to see this new file structure thats been in the works for a long time now. Not every change is visible. I do not see the point in removing the option to have it.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Spuke on 7/2/2012 6:52:53 PM , Rating: 1
I hardly use the start button. All of my most used stuff is pinned on the taskbar. I won't miss it at all.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By StevoLincolnite on 7/2/2012 11:43:54 PM , Rating: 3
Still. Microsoft could have catered for both types of people rather easily.

Hows about left-cliking on the start button to bring up metro, right click to bring up the start menu? GENIUS! Everyone goes home happy.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Manch on 7/3/2012 3:08:55 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, why take away the option. This is stupid like forcing an upgrade to Vista in order to get DX10. All it does is alienate your user base. Give/keep the features people ask for and they will buy it!


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Trisped on 7/2/2012 5:40:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It is still there, the start menu just takes up the entire screen now and is called the start screen.
This is not true. The Start Menu provided certain features, search, links to installed programs, links to the user's folders, links to the control panel, and links to the file system (my computer). These were all there by default. The new start screen does not provide anything but links to installed apps. Ok, so maybe I just need to customize my start screen. Can I add Google Chrome to it? No. Why not? No Idea, apparently I have to first go to the desktop, then I have to find chrome, then I have to pin it. That is not so bad, except I cannot find where the Chrome exe is so I can start the program so I can pin it.

The Start Screen is a nice idea, especial for touch input devices; but it is not a replacement for the Start Menu, nor is there an efficient work around for all features of the now removed Start Menu.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By vincentxweb on 7/2/2012 7:49:47 PM , Rating: 3
In the start screen, just start typing, and it'll search your files and programs. That's the same as the start menu. Once you find your program (which usually is added automatically once you install), you can right click and pin to the start screen and/or task bar.

The added bonus of the start/Metro screen is that tiles provide more information.

It's not as much of a change as people think. Just a bit to get used to, but it's almost the same thing.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By villageidiotintern on 7/3/2012 1:21:33 AM , Rating: 5
I want to BROWSE my start menu. Browse it. Wrap your mind around that. NO, I do not need an excuse to want to browse my menu, just like I don't need permission to browse anything else. WTF!


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By bah12 on 7/3/2012 9:58:08 AM , Rating: 1
Last I checked explorer was still there. Browse away buddy. Oh wait is that too much detail, so you want to "browse" it but not all the way to the file level.

ALL the start menu is is a list of shortcuts. PERIOD nothing actually existed on the start menu. What all you whiners are complaining about is that "browsing" your short cuts has changed. If you want an antiquated way to "browse" feel free to pop open explorer and get to clicking. Good god how can bigger, scale-able, searchable, completely customize-able ACTIVE icons be worse than at BEST the alphabetized list you get in WinXP-Win7?


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Arsynic on 7/3/2012 9:59:05 AM , Rating: 2
You can pin Google Chrome to it if Google comes up with a Chrome Metro app.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By bah12 on 7/3/2012 10:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
Ding! There in lies the real problem. Everyone is throwing MS under the bus again (just like Vista), because 3rd party apps (instead of drivers like Vista) are not up to par.

People you cannot blame MS for non-metro apps (blame the lazy application provider). Google has had loads and loads of time to prep Chrome as a Metro app, but hey they have a vested interest in MS looking bad.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By rdhood on 7/10/2012 11:00:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
People you cannot blame MS for non-metro apps (blame the lazy application provider). Google has had loads and loads of time to prep Chrome as a Metro app, but hey they have a vested interest in MS looking bad.


Ah, yes we can. Laying blame is not something that you or MS has control over. That is the power of the free market. That is the power of the consumer. If the consumer perceives that this is MS's problem, then they are to blame (like it or not). Heard of "Vista"? Lots of people (most) kept Windows XP because MS dumped on their customers with Vista. MS blamed 3rd party apps for not being compliant or having compliant drivers. Consumers voted with their pocketbooks... and did not purchase Vista. They blamed MS, and it stuck like glue.

Now MS are dumping on their customers with Metro. If customers perceive this is an MS problem (and they will), they will vote with their pocketbooks. The real question is: why does MS continue to shoot itself in the foot like this?


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Pirks on 7/2/2012 5:00:31 PM , Rating: 3
By Trisped on 7/2/2012 5:29:56 PM , Rating: 4
The article proves you wrong.
quote:
And so we saw the Start menu usage dramatically dropping, and that gave us an option.
Obviously they did not see its use drop down to 0, otherwise they would have said something like "And so we saw the Start menu usage stop."

The fact is someone at Microsoft saw a trend, and decided it would be a law and moved on it. Only the trend was short lived (usage is not still dropping from the Microsoft statements).

The fact is:
- They saw a trend (Start Menu is not used as often).
- They interpreted the trend (people are pinning applications, so when they use the Start Menu they are not loading applications).
- They came up with a new idea (Start screen which is a funner, easier, more customizable, more tablet friendly way to launch apps then the Start Menu).
- They then decided to remove the Start Menu (which is still being used, though probably not to access programs) and replace it with the start screen.

This makes no sense. If people are using the Start Menu, and not to launch programs, then why would a feature which launches programs be a good replacement? Wouldn't it make more sense to make a replacement which makes it easier to access the components of the Start Menu which people are using?

It doesn't matter what the PR machine tries to tell you, the fact is either Microsoft is stupid for miss reacting to a trend or Microsoft is trying to trick us into believing that we do not want something we use daily.


By Trisped on 7/2/2012 5:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
Also, you should have linked to the DT article:
http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Claims+it+Kille...


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Florinator on 7/2/12, Rating: -1
RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Motoman on 7/2/2012 5:22:30 PM , Rating: 1
MS is full of BS.

This is like Chrome and Opera removing the URL history arrow from their address bars, claiming "no one ever uses them." This is some of the stupidest stuff any IT company has ever done.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Florinator on 7/2/2012 5:32:08 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, I guess that's why they have been so successful for 37 years, because they are stupid and made a lot of mistakes...


By Trisped on 7/2/2012 5:41:27 PM , Rating: 3
Companies can change. They often do as leadership and market pressures change.


By Motoman on 7/3/2012 11:41:42 AM , Rating: 2
Success is not an indicator of virtue.

When people say something like "hey, we hit our sales target, so we must be doing something right!" you should punch them in the face. It means no such thing...all it may mean is that you appear to suck less than your competitors...and if you shaped up, maybe you'd double your sales figures.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Trisped on 7/2/2012 5:46:01 PM , Rating: 1
I agree that MS is BSing.

Your analogy doesn't work for me though. I rarely ever used the URL history arrow. With integrated search I usually just type what I am looking for and either select a Google search or click on the history item I am looking for. Even if I did use a site enough that it would be in the URL history and I did not want to type the first 2-3 letters of the URL into the bar, a link to the site would be on my start page as either the 8 most visited pages or as a bookmark.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By bah12 on 7/3/2012 10:07:27 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
With integrated search I usually just type what I am looking for and either select a Google search or click on the history item I am looking for. Even if I did use a site enough that it would be in the URL history and I did not want to type the first 2-3 letters of the URL into the bar, a link to the site would be on my start page as either the 8 most visited pages or as a bookmark.

So why are you so opposed to this OBVIOUSLY more efficient way of doing things at the OS level? By your own admission searching is FAR superior than drudging through history (aka short cuts, aka the start menu). Honestly since Win7 I rarely open control panel. The clicks involved to do so are not nearly as quick as typing the first 3 letter of what I want to do. Tell me that changing the power profile is easier by using the lame start menu vs typing... pow, down arrow, enter.

If the search is smart enough (and since Win7 it now is), you don't need to stroll around looking for crap. Web users have known this for years now, why all the resistance on the OS side?


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By AmbroseAthan on 7/2/2012 5:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
You can add the history button back in Opera (dragging it out of the Buttons in the Appearance area). But like you said, no idea why it was removed as a default.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Motoman on 7/2/2012 7:45:19 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I know. The worst part is that Opera won't admit it's wrong, and put it back in by default, despite *overwhelming* pressure from the user community to do so.

It's one thing to do something stupid, then admit it was stupid and fix it. To pretend that what you did wasn't stupid, when it clearly was, and not do anything about it is rather spectacular.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By Belard on 7/2/2012 10:44:45 PM , Rating: 2
Opera's trashcan is more usable... but click on history from the menu isn't difficult. and of course the UI is super customizable.


RE: 39$ to get of my start button?
By frobizzle on 7/3/2012 8:39:58 AM , Rating: 1
Florinator is an obvious troll, probably working out of Redmond, Washington.


By Florinator on 7/3/2012 2:05:01 PM , Rating: 2
At the very least I stick to the subject and don't promote personal attacks.


By Motoman on 7/2/2012 4:58:55 PM , Rating: 2
99.99% of all PC users.


By Schmide on 7/2/2012 7:29:42 PM , Rating: 1
I haven't used more than 640k since Bill declared it satisfactory.


By BZDTemp on 7/3/2012 4:48:55 AM , Rating: 2
I have been using the preview versions for months now and I like most of it.

At first it is very annoying to be without the start menu and it program menu tree and if I could that would still be there like since Windows 95. After a while I find my self finding apps just as fast using the "search" function in Windows 8 because it simply fills the screen with all the programs plus offering a searh function, picking the needed program from all the icons is fast and maybe even faster than with the old start-menu. I don't use the "phone" page of Win 8 to other than pick the first program after a reboot after which I get the desktop.

Overall I like most of the new in Win 8 but the best Win 8 would really be a Win 7 with the new features like the file copy progress bars and such (and not the phone interface). I guess Microsoft won't let us have that and even if Win 8 was free I would say upgrading from 7 is not worth it. Moving from say XP to Win7 or Win8 then I'd say only do it if needed and if so then look careful before you choose which OS.


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