Source: The Hook
quote: A) Adaptation- this usually takes time and is a painful process when a species threatening event occurs. Mammals didn't immediately develop thicker flesh and fur immediately in the onset of the ice age, adaptation took time and killed off many before a species adapted. Is it better to avert a danger before it reaches critical mass, or adapt at a time of emergency? We attack countries before they develop nukes, so why do conservatives say something different with regards to oil? Oh yeah, there's money to be made...
quote: A) Adaptation- this usually takes time and is a painful process when a species threatening event occurs.
quote: Mammals didn't immediately develop thicker flesh and fur immediately in the onset of the ice age, adaptation took time and killed off many before a species adapted.
quote: Is it better to avert a danger before it reaches critical mass, or adapt at a time of emergency? We attack countries before they develop nukes, so why do conservatives say something different with regards to oil? Oh yeah, there's money to be made...
quote: B)There's risk with everything, yes. But existing risk doesn't excuse you the responsibility of properly managing it.
quote: I accept oil spills can happen, but we shouldn't have to accept the impact on countless fishing business in the Gulf when you didn't spend the money or properly manage the resources to accomplish the task; let alone the waste of revenue, loss of needed usable energy and increase in oil/gas prices when you spilled it all over the gulf.
quote: C)Thank you for admitting Global Warming is occurring.
quote: What's not occuring is man-made global warming or climate change. The processes that are occuring are largely natural. Man can affect localized areas, i.e. the way LA was covered in smog...but even with LA as bad as it was in the 80s, all that pollution failed to have an effect on even the state of California.
quote: manmade global warming / climate change is a lie fabricated by people who receive funding for environmental research and need to keep the dollars flowing
quote: you didn't even try to take a position
quote: America has been dumbed down enough
quote: No, it is far more likely an alien plot to prepare the planet for colonization. After all, the various "think tanks" spreading the putrid BS you just regurgitated aren't receiving funding from organizations like ExxonMobil, who need to keep the dollars flowing...
quote: Didn't I? I'm with science and reality on this one. Sorry: that means I'm not with you, I'm afraid.
quote: Speak for yourself there, Professor.
quote: Idiots want to believe manmade global warming exists because it means man can do something to stop or fix it.
quote: there is very little man can do in the grand scheme of things
quote: making life miserable for everyone
quote: dimwitted McScientists
quote: Science and reality do not conclusively support or even hint at man made global warming unless the data is manipulated and cherry-picked.
quote: the earth goes through regular heating and cooling phases
quote: Are you enjoying being a proof-of-concept?
quote: Takes an idiot to know an idiot, I guess.
quote: On the other hand, reasonable people believe in syllogisms. When the laws of physics say that X causes Y, and X is a verified observable, then Y must be the expected outcome.
quote: That's where science comes in, and where you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.
quote: You know, lowly little blue-green algae back in the day managed to transform the planet's entire atmosphere from anoxic and noxious into what it is today. Men (at least modern, industrialized men aided by modern technology -- a few billion of them and counting) are far more industrious and prolific over far shorter periods of time. We're terraforming our own planet all around us, and it is definitely within our collective power, as a globe-spanning technological civilization, to do so.
quote: Every year we excavate and spew into the atmosphere (and into the carbon cycle) more additional fossil carbon than 100 years worth of natural volcanic activity (yes, that's correct: look it up.) And that amount keeps on growing with each passing year, as the world's economies keep on growing. That's like an extra mega-volcano erupting every year, with clockwork regularity, for a couple of centuries in a row (projected). Nah, that couldn't possibly make any difference -- what, are you insane? Past mass extinctions on our planet have been caused by far less drastic upheavals.
quote: What is making you so miserable about scientific facts and reality in general, pray tell?
quote: And aren't you the bright bulb in the pantheon of science? Who the hell do you think you are to even have opinions on this matter? Do you feel qualified to bloviate or pass judgement on any other field of science where you personally have 0 expertise?
quote: That line of BS has a strong ExxonMobil stench to it. It also has no relationship to any scientific fact or theory, or any manner of truth.
quote: So does your backyard, on a daily basis. Which of course means that your air-conditioning equipment is all a bunch of claptrap, because natural variation excludes ipso facto any possibility of artificial forcing. QED?
quote: Even more to the point, what do you actually know about heat transport through the atmosphere, the greenhouse effect, the balance of incoming solar and outgoing thermal energy on Earth's surface? Have you ever heard of the (hilariously, funded and championed by "skeptics") Berkeley Earth study? Do you know what the Sun's energy output has been like for the past 30+ years? Do you know what's been happening to Earth's glaciers and top-layer ocean heat content in the meantime? Do you think energy conservation no longer applies? Do you know anything about the science involved with these issues?
quote: Are you enjoying flouting your ignorance and brainwashed, programmed talking-point responses in public?
quote: Do you enjoy your open contempt for science and objective thought?Are you an enthusiastic and knowing sock puppet for the likes of ExxonMobil, or are you just another hapless rube?
quote: Science and reality do not conclusively support or even hint at man made global warming unless the data is manipulated and cherry-picked. What the data does suggest is that the earth goes through regular heating and cooling phases...and that the current phase may actually be abnormal - the "normal" for this planet is likely an atmosphere with higher concentrations of so-called "greenhouse" gases, denser atmosphere and a warmer global climate.What kind of life was inhabiting this planet for billions of years? NOT humans and not most of the life we have right now.Just because we exist now doesn't mean that now is the "norm" and deviation from our current state is abnormal. If the earth was a hot, humid rock for the last few eons then by definition THAT would be its normal climate.
quote: it's more likely oil company is the one who's paying their scientist to manipulate the data, perhaps you should check when the warming begins, if it's happen at this rate long before we start using our fossil fuel, than you can claim, ok it's not our fault :p
quote: btw, i don't want to extinct, so even if global warming is so called nature cycle, i would like to disrupt the cycle :p
quote: traditionally when resources get scarce humans go to war.
quote: You left one risk out, traditionally when resources get scarce humans go to war.
quote: If an ice age hit tomorrow, we would be able to survive because we know how to make a fire and stay warm.
quote: What are you talking about? We did. It happened, it was dealt with...get over it. BTW an eruption of the super volcano under yellowstone park will cause a disaster on a global scale that makes any man-made disaster pale in comparsion...but that's how it is - a cycle of creation and destruction that keeps things interesting.
quote: What's not occuring is man-made global warming or climate change
quote: CO2 is a greenhouse gas
quote: The percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased
quote: Humans have caused the CO2 level increase
quote: So is water vapor. In fact, water vapor is a BETTER greenhouse gas. How does water vapor behave?
quote: The increase FOLLOWING rises in temperature, not preceding it. Thus, the cause-effect relationship is reversed.
quote: The biggest concern of which is acid rain. There's a whole host of other pollution concerns that take precedence over this "global climate change" malarky.
quote: Just because SOME rise in temperature occurred BEFORE a CO2 increase does not mean that further temperature increases were not caused by CO2.
quote: quote: Just because SOME rise in temperature occurred BEFORE a CO2 increase does not mean that further temperature increases were not caused by CO2. Oh brilliant logic there. Because science works so much better when we throw out observation, fact, and control groups.
quote: Does warming cause CO2 rise or the other way around? In actuality, the answer is both.
quote: 1. increased CO2 causes warming
quote: Maybe with your simplified logic and watered down science, everything has a single cause and that single cause has a single effect, but the atmosphere of this planet is much more complicated than that.
quote: 1. increased CO2 causes warming2. warming causes increased CO2
quote: Right which is why we have proof that when there was 20 times more CO2 in the atmosphere in the past, there was NO runaway "greenhouse effect". Because C02 always causes warming? False.
quote: There's more than enough evidence coming out, finally, that man made global warming is nothing but a hoax, perpetrated by people who sought out to pervert the peer review and scientific process.
quote: I'm not a scientist or a climatologist, and neither are you.
quote: What a very in depth and multifaceted evaluation of the hundreds of systems and elements involved in detailing atmospheric conditions!! Talk about simplified and watered down science.
quote: You're a waste of time, and most likely, a hypocrite. You generate just as much C02 as the next guy here.
quote: Jebus, you're going back 400 million years now, do you know just how different the planet was back then?
quote: I think I've shown that I know more about this than you though
quote: Just because a few of the scientists on the climate change side are dishonest does not mean they all are. And it's not like the anti-climate-change scientists are any more honest.
quote: At least I'm not so stupid as to fall for that "CO2 percentage = amount" argument that the less intelligent climate change deniers fall for :-))
quote: This is not a valid argument. The planet sure was "different", however how C02 interacts with the atmosphere to "cause warming" sure wasn't different.
quote: Oh and the pressure was "probably" lower? That's funny because I've read papers that suggested it was "probably" higher. But, of course, your side is right on that too. Because..uhh, you said so.
quote: Case in point. It doesn't matter if a "few" scientists were dishonest. The point is the data they fabricated, the numbers they massaged, was the very blueprint for the Man Made Global Warming theory that nearly EVERY climatologist based his opinion on.
quote: But true knowledge? You're not showing it at all because you aren't able to form your own opinions. You aren't applying critical thinking, you're arbitrarily deciding something and backing it up with bias. Regurgitation isn't knowledge.
quote: Apparently you're "too stupid" to actually notice that as C02 increases, we're not actually warming. The icecaps aren't melting and flooding the oceans. Etc etc etc.
quote: Don't blame me for mistakes others have made.
quote: You do know that AMOUNT and PERCENTAGE are completely different things now yea?
quote: That's not true and you know it.
quote: The majority of Climate Scientists agree that global warming and climate change is real. Only a few disagree, and most of those that disagree are not climate scientists.
quote: Umm. the earth is warming, the highest temperatures on record were in the last decade. Sorry there's not the perfectly linear increase that you would apparently require.
quote: Excuse me? We're coming out of a 15 year period where when the temps were supposed to be rising due to increased C02 (yes amount and percentage, asshole), we saw no global temperature rise. It's not us that claimed we would see linear increases, again, YOUR SIDE insisted that would be the trend!
quote: Actually, from 98-08 we haven't seen the temperature going up at its previous rate.
quote: Was the Earth the center of the Universe because a then "majority" of scientists agreed it was?
quote: again, YOUR SIDE insisted that would be the trend!
quote: quote: You do know that AMOUNT and PERCENTAGE are completely different things now yea? Why do you keep harping on this? Yes I know that.
quote: You do know that AMOUNT and PERCENTAGE are completely different things now yea?
quote: First off there is no majority, that's a crock
quote: Secondly science isn't a democratic process, or a popularity contest.
quote: Just because CO2 didn't start the problem does not mean that it does not occur.
quote: What's not occuring is man-made global warming or climate change. The processes that are occuring are largely natural.
quote: There are a myriad of peer-reviewed
quote: Just listen to Noam Chomsky, MIT Professor and anarchist and lying hypocrite
quote: Chomsky made millions working for the United States military while he makes millions more writing books and giving speeches about the evil "industrial military complex".
quote: there are so many idiots out there who've been told by the media that Man Made Global Warming is an absolute incontrovertible fact
quote: C)Thank you for admitting Global Warming is occurring.
quote: a very specific skill set that very few can adequately supply
quote: the money is already there, it is just a question of whether the owners or players get it
quote: Come now, the money could also be distributed to the shareholders, and/or left in the pockets of customers by lowering the profit margins on the product(s).
quote: Tillerson makes a minimum of $25,200,000 a year. The median household income for 2011 was $49,445. The median income in 2011 was $26,364.Tillerson's pay is equivalent to 509 combined households or 955 working individuals.There's no income gap problem though.
quote: So they would make a whopping $295.45 more each year.
quote: Lets do the math!
quote: After all, public companies like ExxonMobil are not under any such governance as Fiduciary Duty -- right?
quote: Personally, I have no problem with calling it as I see it at every opportunity.
quote: But at least I personally won't be actively contributing to the problem of malignant neglect, thank you very much.
quote: Feudal Society was based around the Land, called a Fief, which was held by the Nobility, because of the favor of their King.
quote: A free market society would not have lords, or kings, or fiefs.
quote: I'm sure nobody in their right mind would accept such a gift. Far better to receive $0 instead. An ironclad argument, if ever I've encountered one.
quote: Let's do the math another way. By saving $22,200,000 per year, in 10 years the company accumulates an extra $220,000,000 in cash. It can either sit on it earning interest, or re-invest it to grow the business. Either way, shareholders win (ironically, are CEOs also usually among the major shareholders -- so really that's a win-win.)
quote: Let me ask you a question in turn: why do YOU hate Freedom? Why do you pine for a comeback of Feudalism?
quote: SIT on that money. That's the smart play here.
quote: That's a hallmark of intelligent debate.
quote: What idiot actually expect wealth to "trickle down"?
quote: You're just too damm stupid.
quote: Even just sitting on that money is a smarter investment than simply gifting it to some overpaid douche bag at the top of the pyramid. Of course, smarter managers would try to invest or reinvest as a first priority, or at least if no good investment opportunities are evident, share the company's profits more evenly across the company's work force and/or shareholders.
quote: As opposed to lobbing wife-beater insinuations
quote: One such idiot's name was Ronald Reagan. One Richard Cheney was another such idiot of notable prominence, up to quite recently even.
quote: Yes, that must be it.OTOH, in my experience the higher you move up a corporate hierarchy, the more you find yourself competing against unscrupulous manipulators and ladder climbers who have no problem lying, cheating, and stepping on the necks of their colleagues if it gets them up to the next rung. I will never be one of those people. I'm not sufficiently sociopathic... And I'm just fine with that.How about you?
quote: Same thing that's stopping you, obviously...
quote: I am not complaining about his income level.
quote: You don't know how much I make.
quote: you may as well just stop posting.
quote: Please consider this question: why the hell could anyone imagine that paying a CEO 1000x average salary is somehow more effective than paying that same CEO 10x average salary -- as has been done throughout most of the 20th century?
quote: In addition, adapting to climate change could be much more expensive than preventing it. According to Steve Coll, author of "Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power," adapting to climate change would require moving entire cities. A better alternative would be legislation that slows the process of global warming.