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Original M5 and current M5  (Source: Insideline)
M5 loses US only six-speed manual option

Many auto enthusiasts have had high hopes for BMW and manual transmissions after a patent application for the carmaker surfaced showing a seven-speed manual transmission was in the works. That transmission may still make it to the streets in some BMWs, but it won't be in the future BMW M5.
BMW has gone "official", saying that the next generation M5 will not be engineered with a manual transmission. BMW goes a little further with M division head, Albert Biermann, saying it's not cost-effective given the manual's low take rate. The upside is the more enthusiast focused M3 will continue to offer a manual transmission.
"Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It's declining," Biermann warned. "The trouble is that nobody wants it in Europe or anywhere else, so this will be the last time we do it, even for the hard-core U.S. buyers."
The current M5 offers a six-speed manual transmission alongside a no-cost option for a seven-speed double-clutch unit that shifts with paddles. BMW says offering the six-speed manual was very expensive.
"We just can't justify it anymore. It's a no-cost option, but it's been very difficult to do."
"Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it's very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn't work out cheaper."
The six-speed manual in the M5 has only been available in the U.S.

Source: Insideline

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RE: The problem isnt the car
By maven81 on 6/21/2012 11:29:49 AM , Rating: 1
I think you're correct!

But to add to your list, you know what my favorite BMW driver experience was? It's raining really hard, and I see that there's a 3 series in front of me, driving with the trunk completely open. There's nothing in the trunk, and it actually seems to be filling up with water. I pull up alongside to see what's up. It's a teen girl obliviously yakking away with a friend next to her. I motion to her that her trunk is open, and she just gives me this nasty look, like "what's your problem?". Well I gave up and drove away heh.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2012 11:40:58 AM , Rating: 2
Every motorist's worst nightmare: An old woman driving BMW on a Sunday

Around 21,000 motorists were quizzed, and 45 per cent said BMW drivers were the worst on the road.

BMW drivers are most associated with bad or inefficient driving according to the survey, with 68% of respondents claiming that bad drivers of these vehicles drive too fast, overtake in dangerous situations (66%), intimidate other road users (66%) and drive too close to the car in front (64%).

RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 11:54:08 AM , Rating: 2
When you drive a high performing, well handling car, it can be VERY frustrating out there. People just don't know how do drive that good. They lumber down on-ramps when they are supposed to be hitting merging-speed. They don't pay attention at green lights and sit there for 3-5 seconds, holding up everyone else. They act like their vehicle will roll over if they take a turn with ANY sense of urgency or efficiency. They are in their own little bubble, ignorant of the flow of traffic or what's going on around them.

I'm sure to those people, someone like me who actually drives like he's trying to get somewhere, is the worst thing on 4 wheels. But most of the time THEY are the problem.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By maven81 on 6/21/2012 12:16:08 PM , Rating: 3
Both are bad Reclaimer. While slowpokes are annoying, and sometimes even dangerous (I recently nearly rear-ended a complete idiot that was doing 35 on the leftmost lane of a highway) all too often I see people do crazy maneuvers that save them all of 5 seconds at most. They'll run a red light just to get stuck behind someone at the very next light. They'll weave through traffic unpredictably. I've even seen people turn their blinkers on and drive on the opposite side of the road! The kicker is, most of the time they save almost no time at all doing this.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 12:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
That is extremely reckless stuff. I'm not talking about going nuts out there. I'm just talking about the generally...lethargic manner in which people drive that frustrates me on a daily basis. Or people who drive like they are in a daze or lost all the time.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By chromal on 6/21/2012 1:09:08 PM , Rating: 4
Couldn't agree more. People who aren't paying attention are the worst, followed by the people who seem to literally panic when they are faced with a road with curves and elevation changes. Not that any of this justifies aggressive driving, blowing through stop signs or lights, or even crossing a solid lane marking line.

There's a reason for the saying, "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow." :)

RE: The problem isnt the car
By silverblue on 6/21/2012 5:57:21 PM , Rating: 1
Perhaps, but we all have the same speed limit regardless of whatever model car you drive. My car might do 110, yours might do 155, but if I can quite easily do 70 (the speed limit over here in the UK) and some numpty, usually in a German car I might add, flies up behind me as I'm overtaking somebody, giving it the flashing lights and tailgating me, there's only one thing I'm going to do...

...let my foot off the accelerator gently.

I have every right to be where I am. I'm overtaking somebody in a safe and legal fashion whilst keeping it nicely on the speed limit. It's also what we're taught over here - if somebody is being aggressive behind you, reduce speed slowly. Besides which, the impatient guy behind might have saved a little bit of fuel not going at 90mph for a change.

Almost as much of a concern as being tailgated by somebody in a large wheel based vehicle who forgot the speed limit or the Highway Code for that matter. It's even worse if you're driving a supermini.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By thewrayj on 6/22/2012 12:38:15 PM , Rating: 2
While I don't appreciate the type of tailgating speed-maniacs you've described, I also do not appreciate your solution. Aside from aggravating an already aggressive driver (creating a high-risk-of-accident scenario), by easing off the accelerator you are driving below the speed limit; this action:

1. slows things down for everyone behind you
2. makes your own goal of overtaking someone take longer

It reminds me of pedestrians who purposely take their time at crosswalks when they're stopping traffic - all they are doing is slowing things down, for themselves and everyone else. When I use the crosswalk, I quicken pace.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By silverblue on 6/29/2012 4:51:58 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, maybe not reducing speed that much when overtaking, however it's preferable to braking or grinding the accelerator into the floor. Perhaps maintaining speed is the best thing, but one thing I'm certainly not doing is swerving out of the way.

I don't want to appear like a lunatic or anything (I'm certainly not) but I don't feel that I should be intimidated by other drivers. I suppose if you go out driving you can do so with the mentality that most drivers are idiots, so treat them as such, however you cannot be overly cautious nor aggressive. I remember overtaking on an unlit dual carriageway at night during the rain and somebody in a black Vauxhall/Opel Vectra flew up behind me and started flashing at me from a car's length behind to get out of the way. I just stuck to my speed and moved back left when I could; he just flew past in a big hurry.

As for the crosswalk scenario, if it says WALK (or the green man shows over here) then as long as you cross the road before the lights signal drivers to move off, nobody can have any complaints, however if it's a zebra crossing where drivers must give way to pedestrians, then dawdling as you cross could indeed annoy.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By BillyBatson on 6/21/2012 3:15:55 PM , Rating: 1
Heh look at that I actually agree with your post reclaimer... Not that you. Are of course lol.

I'm a former BMW owner (2010 328 coupe sport/premium), now I drive a ford edge lol. If you have never driven a performance car you will never know what it's like and how I consider the WORST cars/drivers on the road to be Prius drivers!!! They can't manuver well and slow down all traffic all the time!! When a light turns green it isn't just the 3-4 second lag in responding but even once moving most drivers take 2-3 city blocks to reach the speed limit of 35-40mph and often come up on the next red light way before reaching the speed limit. Slow and inefficient drivers always hold up traffic, drive right next to each other when you're supposed to be staggered both to allow traffic to flow but also for safety, and these same drivers absolutely hate BMW drivers and others who frustratingly have to drive around and pass drivers slowing them down.

It's the cheap non-performance cars that hold back traffic and are a danger to the road not performance vehicles that accelerate, turn, and break better but drive 5mph over the speed limit.

I seriously hate Prius drivers the worst people and cars on the road!!!!! I don't care if you're trying to get your mpg up another 0.2mpg to save .75 cents a month, HIT THE GOD DAMN GAS PEDAL ANS GET TO THE SPEED LIMIT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!

RE: The problem isnt the car
By Jeffk464 on 6/21/2012 8:53:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, I feel that driving a high performance car tends to bring out the Indy car driver in everyone. I drive a Tacoma pickup and trying to drive it aggressively really doesn't reward the driver at all, you could say it mellows out my driving.

RE: The problem isnt the car
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2012 10:45:13 PM , Rating: 1
BS. I see a lot more people driving their boring ass Camrys and Altimas aggressively than I do people in sporty cars.

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