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Current Windows Phone 7.x users will have to make do with Windows Phone 7.8

Microsoft may be down in the single-digits when it comes to worldwide smartphone market share, but the company is not going to sit by on the sidelines while the competition from Apple and Google pass it by. Today at the Windows Phone Summit, Microsoft announced the follow-up to Windows Phone 7.5 -- Windows Phone 8.

While Windows Phone 7.x is based on Windows CE, Windows Phone 8 shares its NT kernel with PC-oriented Windows 8 operating system. Thanks to the shared codebase, developers won't have to do "double duty" developing programs for Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8.

Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president of Windows Phone, introduces Windows Phone 8
Windows Phone 8 will support dual-core processor at launch, and quad-core support will come at a later date (Windows Phone 8 can theoretically support up to 64 cores
). In addition, Windows Phone 8 will support three screen resolutions: 800x480, 1280x768, and 1280x720. Although we question the need for both of the latter screen resolutions, we'll give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Other features include microSD support for removable storage (movies, videos, photos, apps), VoIP/Skype integration, in-app purchases, Internet Explorer 10 (complete with anti-phising technology), native NFC support, and a mobile Wallet Hub to store credit/debit cards, and deals/offers, (it sounds quite a bit like Apple's Passbook from iOS 6). Nokia's NAVTEQ mapping technology will also be built-in to Windows Phone 8 including offline maps. Another new feature, Tap+Send, allows users to "bump" phones to share data. However, we've seen this functionality before in Android devices.

Customizable tiles in Windows Phone 8
The biggest change announced is a revamp of the Start screen and the Live Tiles system. Microsoft is now giving users the ability to completely control the Start screen and resize tiles to make their phones more personal. For example, if the Pictures hub is most important to you, you can resize the tile to make is take a huge portion of your screen while at the same time reducing the size of tiles that don't interest you as much.

Microsoft also made it official that current smartphones running Windows Phone 7.x will not be getting an upgrade to Windows Phone 8. While some functionality will make its way into Windows Phone 7.8 (like the new customizable Start screen), you'll have to purchase a brand new smartphone to get the full Windows Phone 8 experience.

Source: Microsoft

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Oh those were the days!!!
By Ramstark on 6/20/2012 1:44:46 PM , Rating: 2
I am beginning to feel like that time when everyone said "Oh, Xbox? That would never beat the Playstation, that thing is awful!"...
Excellent products with WELL DEVELOPED AND TESTING TIMES, MS is always an excellent "Long track racer" It is a company built and used to market products later in the game, but win with them.
For all of those who just disapprove without even testing the hardware or software, please, just avoid commenting, try everything and then give your opinion...
iThings, your "Playstation time" has begun!!

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2012 2:33:05 PM , Rating: 1
First the slate and now this, I'm thinking you are possibly correct. The ability to run PC software on a tablet or phone wins me over immediately. "Apps" become pointless overnight. There's so much software already out there, why bother waiting for something to be made when it has already been done?

Okay, there are some neat apps that don't exist as software but it is a matter of time.

When I do something on my desktop, the last thing I want to do is screw around with trying to adapt it to a portable device. Now, with these, I don't have to.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By B3an on 6/20/2012 2:51:59 PM , Rating: 2
Err you cant run desktop software on WP8 though. Why would you even want to?! How could you possibly control or navigate desktop software on a tiny screen using touch? That would be amazingly awkward. On a Win 8 tablet it's fine because you have a larger screen but more importantly you can simply connect any mouse of keyboard.

It should be a lot easier for devs to port over their Metro style Win 8 apps though. If it is then i can see the WP8 app store suddenly getting a ton more apps.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2012 3:00:17 PM , Rating: 1
It isn't so matter a matter of "why would I want to," but instead, it is more a matter of, "I can."

I like options and flexibility. I don't like being shackled to a platform like... ahem, *cough* the app store.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By xdrol on 6/21/2012 6:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
You still can't.

First, different architecture. The phone/tablet will be ARM, the desktop will be x86/x64. It's not just a matter of re-compiling with ARM target: If your code has assembly or intrinsics, happy rewriting.

Second, in WinRT, 80+% of the previous API is gone. (One can safely assume WP8 is the same as tablet-Win8 - AKA WinRT - with some restrictions.) There is just a completely new API that not even exist in Win7. If your application is a bit more complex than a stone (and why wound it not - I'd use a stone in that case..), happy rewriting.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Digimonkey on 6/21/2012 10:10:46 AM , Rating: 2
Did you miss the Surface announcement where MS showed off an intel based tablet with Windows 8 Pro? That product directly addresses the issue of running software you'd normally run on a desktop/laptop but on a tablet.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By MrBlastman on 6/21/2012 11:31:41 AM , Rating: 2
Reading is not a pre-requisite to be a fanboi. Only a blatant disregard for facts and buying in to hype is needed to join the club!

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Ramstark on 6/20/2012 6:50:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well, clearly you aren't a WP user, do your know it has Office? I have used Powerpoint since I have the phone, as well as Excel some times...Neither of them are painful to use in my horribly small LG900...

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By BillyBatson on 6/20/2012 11:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of us would actually want. It might not always be the ideal situation but being able to run certain things on the go vs. not being able to at all or having to rely on an app form, is a big plus. I've connected to my home PC remotely from my 3.5" iPhone many times.... It's not ideal both I've both wanted to and have had to do this to access files.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By elleehswon on 6/21/2012 1:15:59 PM , Rating: 2
though i see some benefits, my concern is "do you really want to use something at an enterprise level that's built to work on a phone.?" from a functionality standpoint, you can't expect much.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Taft12 on 6/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By B3an on 6/20/2012 2:59:54 PM , Rating: 3
Xbox - Best selling console for over a year in western countries. And best online experience by miles.

Kinect - Fastest selling consumer electronics device ever . Is in the guinness book of records for this.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By corduroygt on 6/21/2012 8:42:22 AM , Rating: 2
Xbox is only the best selling console in the US and UK.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By poi2 on 6/21/2012 9:57:50 AM , Rating: 2
Kinnect is good man . . .
It is a good product man . . .

Do you have RROD somewhere in your brain ?

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Smilin on 6/21/2012 10:25:44 AM , Rating: 2
Has Xbox even recouped its R&D and RROD losses yet?

Years ago, holy crap man. Your rock is under a rock.

Put consoles, accessories, and game licenses to the side for a moment and just think about this: There are about 25 million people paying $60 a year for XBL Gold. That's a money faucet.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Taft12 on 6/22/2012 1:00:05 PM , Rating: 1
According to MS's SEC filings the Xbox 360 has a net loss of ~$1 billion, including Live subscriptions. The lifetime net loss for the franchise is $5 billion.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By karlostomy on 6/23/2012 3:04:50 AM , Rating: 3

If you have no valid link to support your conclusions, other posters will be forced to conclude that you are trolling.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Tony Swash on 6/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By MrBlastman on 6/20/2012 3:04:19 PM , Rating: 2
Tony, when I see your posts I hear the Peanuts™ teacher talking. However,

This all means that the MS must come up with a strategy for how it can make profits, substantial profits, and generate strong ongoing growth in the new mobile markets.

Microsoft doesn't need to worry about making profits. They already are making them!

In 2011, they made 23 billion net at a 33% profit margin! HUGE profits. They've proven year after year they can make profits.

They can afford to have loss leaders to help them gain what they most need and that is market share. They need market share more than anything else so they can burn through all those profits they make with other products.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Tony Swash on 6/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2012 3:37:47 PM , Rating: 2
why did Google spend $12 billion on Motorola? For fun?

For the patents. Which are worth twice their weight in gold given today's tech industry arms race style buildup.


I guess in your mind Google spends 12 billion because Android isn't making money? That makes sense? 12 billion, with a B ...

Please just stop.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By elleehswon on 6/21/2012 1:22:10 PM , Rating: 1
First and foremost, i hope your vacation was enjoyable. Even though your rantings are delusional here regarding what you measure a company by, vacation is vacation.

now, onto my point...

That's it! Time to go back to analog! No more IP! :)

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By spread on 6/21/2012 1:58:08 PM , Rating: 1
Why then is both Microsoft and Google moving into making their own integrated hardware/software products, why is MS endangering it's precious relationship with it's OEMs

I would guess because those OEMs have been dragging their feet with their crap hardware and poor driver support which makes Microsoft look bad.

why did Google spend $12 billion on Motorola

Patents, maybe hardware capability but mostly patents.

Mobile advertising may never be a substantial business.

That means Google is going out of business. Let's all short Google stock because they are going out of business. You first. You drink your own Kool Aid first and prove it's tasty stuff.

Crazy old man. "Suck my iStick you iDiot." - Steve Jobs

By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 6:35:19 PM , Rating: 2
It is less about the fact that Google doesn't make that much money off of Android. Its more about the fact that Google pulls in way more money advertising on the iPhone and that Microsoft makes more money than Google on the actual hardware.

It's just funny/bizarre is all.

RE: Oh those were the days!!!
By Cerin218 on 6/22/2012 2:43:04 PM , Rating: 1
They make money back on the games and the content. They wanted to have a lead in the console arena. How many of my friends have sat drunk at night and bout MW3 or some such at 60 Bucks? Or bought clothes for their avatar? Or bought media. That's where they make it back. You don't make the money upfront on the hardware, you make the money on the back end with the consumables.

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