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Current Windows Phone 7.x users will have to make do with Windows Phone 7.8

Microsoft may be down in the single-digits when it comes to worldwide smartphone market share, but the company is not going to sit by on the sidelines while the competition from Apple and Google pass it by. Today at the Windows Phone Summit, Microsoft announced the follow-up to Windows Phone 7.5 -- Windows Phone 8.

While Windows Phone 7.x is based on Windows CE, Windows Phone 8 shares its NT kernel with PC-oriented Windows 8 operating system. Thanks to the shared codebase, developers won't have to do "double duty" developing programs for Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8.


Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president of Windows Phone, introduces Windows Phone 8
 
Windows Phone 8 will support dual-core processor at launch, and quad-core support will come at a later date (Windows Phone 8 can theoretically support up to 64 cores
). In addition, Windows Phone 8 will support three screen resolutions: 800x480, 1280x768, and 1280x720. Although we question the need for both of the latter screen resolutions, we'll give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Other features include microSD support for removable storage (movies, videos, photos, apps), VoIP/Skype integration, in-app purchases, Internet Explorer 10 (complete with anti-phising technology), native NFC support, and a mobile Wallet Hub to store credit/debit cards, and deals/offers, (it sounds quite a bit like Apple's Passbook from iOS 6). Nokia's NAVTEQ mapping technology will also be built-in to Windows Phone 8 including offline maps. Another new feature, Tap+Send, allows users to "bump" phones to share data. However, we've seen this functionality before in Android devices.


Customizable tiles in Windows Phone 8
 
The biggest change announced is a revamp of the Start screen and the Live Tiles system. Microsoft is now giving users the ability to completely control the Start screen and resize tiles to make their phones more personal. For example, if the Pictures hub is most important to you, you can resize the tile to make is take a huge portion of your screen while at the same time reducing the size of tiles that don't interest you as much.

Microsoft also made it official that current smartphones running Windows Phone 7.x will not be getting an upgrade to Windows Phone 8. While some functionality will make its way into Windows Phone 7.8 (like the new customizable Start screen), you'll have to purchase a brand new smartphone to get the full Windows Phone 8 experience.

Source: Microsoft



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By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2012 12:50:35 PM , Rating: -1
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Microsoft may be down in the single-digits when it comes to worldwide smartphone market share, but the company is not going to sit by on the sidelines while the competition from Apple and Google pass it by.


So an update that brings it up to par with the competition of two years ago, is your idea of them not sitting on the sidelines.

Microsoft finally treating the Windows Phone platform like something more than a hobby isn't really praise worthy.




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By quiksilvr on 6/20/2012 1:08:30 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. I was hoping the announcement would be that Windows Phone 7 and 8 will be discontinued and instead all future Windows Phones will run Windows RT with the metro interface (kinda like how Android 4 works)


RE: Right
By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 1:12:18 PM , Rating: 1
I had thought that was the direction they were going too; and it would have been a good one. But this is more like... Windows Phone 7.6

What a missed opportunity.


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By Flunk on 6/20/2012 1:47:05 PM , Rating: 3
Realistically, Windows Phone 8 is a version of Windows RT with a downsized interface. The Apps will be cross compatible (although enabling it might be up to devs).


RE: Right
By quiksilvr on 6/20/2012 2:11:23 PM , Rating: 2
Well that's good to hear...except the whole "screw our early adopters" approach, leaving ALL Windows Phone 7 users with phones that will never get Windows Phone 8.


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By theapparition on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By kleinma on 6/20/2012 2:31:42 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah versus apple giving you the latest iOS on your old ass iPhone so it runs even shittier than it did before. And the update is packed with features your old iPhone doesn't even support. Basically forcing you to upgrade by degrading the quality of your existing phone. Or how about android? So fragmented it's a crap shoot how long the phone you get will receive updates, and ends up with with a hugely fragmented set of apps that don't work on your device. Go with one of those options. They are much better.


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By retrospooty on 6/20/2012 3:15:35 PM , Rating: 2
regardless, you buy a phone today for the features it has today, not for an OS that may come in the future. Anyone that feels entitled to a next gen OS update on an old phone should really take some pills and come back down to reality. If your phone doesnt do what you want it to do, why did you buy it?


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By Pirks on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By Pirks on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By StevoLincolnite on 6/20/2012 5:52:35 PM , Rating: 2
I think we have just been spoiled in PC land.
It's not unusual to get an OS upgrade on a 10 year old system which brings with it new functionality.


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By Arsynic on 6/20/2012 2:44:55 PM , Rating: 3
Or MS could just do like Apple and call the new update "8" instead of "7.8" whilst leaving out features just so the dummies wouldn't feel left out...

Face it, iOS 5 on the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4S are two different experiences yet, all iDiots keep saying, "Yay! Apple is so benevolent that they gave even the old devices the iOS 5 update." But if they called it iOS 4.8, they would say, "Booo! Apple is abandoning us!"

The tech cock-measuring has to stop.


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By corduroygt on 6/20/2012 6:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
The 3GS gets many features of iOS5, and most importantly, most apps are still compatible with it whereas WP7 only gets the start screen and nothing from the kernel and WP8 apps will not be compatible for the most part with it.


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By phryguy on 6/20/2012 9:14:57 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, all still currently sold iPhones (3GS, 4 and 4S) all will get iOS 6. However, the older models won't get all the features the 4S gets.


RE: Right
By maven81 on 6/20/2012 1:11:32 PM , Rating: 4
How exactly is partnering with Nokia a hobby? Seems to me they've got an awful lot invested in this. If you're going to be a hater at least make valid points ;)


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By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 1:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'm curious why it is launching with only dual core support, and won't get quad core till later. Just seems... really... weird.


RE: Right
By kleinma on 6/20/2012 2:25:42 PM , Rating: 3
Its not weird. You cant compare dual core windows and quad core android since windows actually runs efficiently and android needs the extra horse power just to be on par.


RE: Right
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By corduroygt on 6/20/2012 3:26:47 PM , Rating: 3
We call this "beta tester" anxiety. As in calling other phone owners beta testers in your commercials, but the Shyamalan twist is actually you are the beta tester :)

I'm an iOS fan but Android's got my respect and I'll buy one if iPhone 5 turns out to be crap.


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By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 3:36:14 PM , Rating: 1
You are really going to claim that? Have you seen Anandtech's bench marks and reviews of Windows Phone devices, such as the Lumia 900? They are seriously underpowered compared to even some dual core android phones.

Moreover, WP8 is supposed to share a kernel with Windows 8, so why is quad core not automatically supported? They'll add it later, so obviously the absurd claims you throw out are not valid; but how come it isn't standard now that quad cores are becoming common place, and since support should already be in the kernel? Talk about shooting your hardware possibilities in the foot!

It is bizarre, and gains Microsoft nothing, while making it lose a lot of areas of competition.


RE: Right
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2012 3:48:31 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly. To listen to these guys talks about WP7, is like hearing someone who's just been released from a brain washing camp. WP7 is somehow faster than Android, more efficient, all while running on vastly lower-powered phones AND getting better battery life. LOL right!

It also washes your car, makes a damn sandwich when you want, and injects feel-good happy thoughts into your brain!

I've seriously never seen a bigger case of confirmation bias in my life than what goes on here over WP7. Of course these people don't go to Anandtech and look at benchmarks!


RE: Right
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2012 5:58:47 PM , Rating: 2
Android Sold = $15.00 for Microsoft = Microsoft Wins

Thank you for your Windows Phone financial support.


RE: Right
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By Mitch101 on 6/20/2012 8:48:51 PM , Rating: 4
What your doing is thread crapping in a condescending tone my vacuous friend.

You add no value or information to any post you only offer your opinion on matters and don't offer any hard facts.


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By Manch on 6/20/2012 6:18:29 PM , Rating: 1
I got a Lumia 800. I got it as an all in one to replace my zune and my phone(galaxy). In that regards it works great. Got a couple time waster games on it for when Im dropping the kids off, but its not magical. I think it runs great for what I use it for. A phone, mp3 player, camera for whatever, and the daily exchange rates. The UI is great, but androids works just fine too. I do not give 2 fucks if it feels or actually is a split second faster/slower. Fits in my pocket, it works, and it was cheap. (I do miss my galaxies keyboard...fuckin touch screens) I tether it to my android tablet! I prefer android tablets, I hate surfing on a phone. Ill be hard pressed to buy a Win 8 tablet but I wont rule them out. I can do what I want on my android tablets and unless MS will allow that same degree of freedom, I aint switching. That being said, this is DT, there will always be fan boy flame wars about whos phone/tablet is better like they built it themselves!

But seriously:

quote:
I've seriously never seen a bigger case of confirmation bias in my life than what goes on here over WP7


Have you never read an apple article on this site? :D


RE: Right
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 8:01:31 PM , Rating: 1
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WP7 is somehow faster than Android, more efficient, all while running on vastly lower-powered phones AND getting better battery life. LOL right!


Yeah, it's called having an OS that doesn't run like a pig. The fact that WP7 (or iOS, or WebOS) running on a slower single core CPU is smoother and snappier than Android on technically faster hardware speaks volumes as to how badly optimized the latter has been up until very recently. As to the last point, you're looking at about 7% of total Android hardware running ICS after so much time, pathetic.


RE: Right
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2012 8:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
I like how you can spew the same FUD over and over again without ever trying to back up your point. I refer you back to the Anandtech Lumia 900 review. Every single statement you just made it false. It is NOT faster than the competition. The browser is, frankly, horrible. And there's absolutely NO evidence that it utilizes CPU more efficiently than Android phones.

Can you actually back your statements up with facts?

Oh and for the last time people, the battery life is NOT that good. In fact it's pretty bad!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5724/nokia-lumia-900...


RE: Right
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 11:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
I should have cut off the quote on battery life. Smoothness of the UI is the main thing I give WP7 over Android, it isn't even a close comparison between the two. I also never once have spoken about battery life in a WP7 discussion.

And btw, WP7 actually does quite well with talk time. The top talk time scores all go to larger handsets with much bigger batteries in them.

The main thing holding back WP7 isn't the OS, it is decent hardware. Even with slower SoCs it was still very competitive when it launched in 2010. Unfortunately its hardware has stagnated while Android handset makers and Apple kept pushing specs as hard as they could. In Android's case it was needed to make the OS less choppy, as well as giving something to market towards the neckbeards. Hopefully Microsoft and Nokia will try and be more competitive on that front with WP8.


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By Manch on 6/21/2012 12:30:43 PM , Rating: 1
This android vs WP7 flame war sounds a lot like Windows vs Mac OS arguments that used to stir up crap.

Anyhoo, I think the key to WP8 succeeding is the fact that it shares its code with Windows 8 and that youll be able to run the same software on either your phone, tablet, or laptop/desktop is very compelling. I got a lumia 800, I preferr it over the 900. Larger screen is great but the way they put it together isnt as good to me. Same hardware other than 4g. I dont have it so I dont miss it. So even now with its dated hardware it runs just fine for what I use mine for but Im not under any delusion that it will go toe to toe with the higher end androids.

I do think the OS is holding back Wp7, not that its bad. Its quite impressive but its based off of CE. I think they hit a wall with what they wanted to do vs what they could do with that code, hence no updated hardware and the shift to Win 8 code. Remember the Kin? Nope? no one does except as a reminder that MS was royally effing up during the developement of both platforms. I think WP7 would have been out a hell of a lot sooner if they had dropped or merged the two teams together. I think wp8 will be a very compelling choice when it comes out, but if they do not offer more of what I want then I have no problem with android. Apple on the other hand can go fuck themselves.


RE: Right
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 6:36:43 PM , Rating: 1
"Better than Android"

Careful not to trip over that bar you've left so low


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By SilentSin on 6/20/2012 3:47:23 PM , Rating: 2
It actually has up to 64-core support if someone were going to make such a thing. It's using MS's NT kernel (should be nearly the same as on Windows 8 RT if not the exact same). That's probably more of a consideration for tablets using the kernel than phones but it's there. The initial batch of devices will probably be dual core S4 phones, Qualcomm was plastered on quite a few slides from the announcement.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8...


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By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 4:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
Well, now we are getting conflicting information. We're told at release WP8 cannot support quad cores, and can only do dual cores, and that it will take an update (like WP7's 7.5 update which brought much needed advancements) to unlock quad core support.

So, why is this, if it can theoretically support up to 64 cores out of the box? MS is just limiting its hardware possibilities for no gain, it seems.

Something tells me the WP8 kernel isn't identical to the Windows 8 RT kernel; which I think it should have been. No reason not to just stick RT straight on a phone. Nothing prevents that, so why didn't MS do that?

This all seems like a case of the right hand not talking to the left hand.


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By SilentSin on 6/20/2012 4:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
It does seem like WinRT (or WART if you please) is still half baked. Just look for the videos of all the Surface freezes at the launch event or videos of the WART launch tablets from Computex. That happened on a variety of platforms, which brings up your point.

MS limited phones severely with WP7 but it was more for platform control than anything and all WP7 devices I've used seemed very stable. I think WP8 and WART will have some serious teething problems since this will be the first dive into vast array of ARM SoCs out there. I hope it's nothing worse than what Google went through with the first few iterations of Android tho.

If we are to believe the presentation than coding for WP8 is the same as WART, you just have to change a build target or something which indicates the kernel is very closely related. I guess we will have to wait and see if that is really true once the SDK is in the wild.


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By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/12, Rating: 0
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By kleinma on 6/20/2012 2:23:28 PM , Rating: 2
You are clearly a hater based on all your posts about Microsoft and it is clear you feel threatened that they are putting out cool devices and software. Now your shit idevice looks old or your crappy fragmented android ecosystem faces a challenge and you are scared. So you post nonsense.


RE: Right
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2012 1:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Have you actually used Windows Phone yet Reclaimer?

I actually am a bit fond of it. It's snappy and clean cut.

Now programming for it....I like Android better.


RE: Right
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/20/2012 1:18:26 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I prefer the interface of Windows Phone 8 to Android and iOS. It's just that the app support isn't there yet IMHO.


RE: Right
By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 1:24:21 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one who finds it sad that suspicions were correct, and that Microsoft will not be upgrading phones with WP7 to WP8? Talk about giving all those Lumia 900 buyers a cold shoulder.


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By Flunk on 6/20/2012 1:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
Oh yes, I have an HTC HD7 that's about a year old and I feel quite annoyed. Phones should at least get 3 years of updates. To be out in the cold after just over a year is annoying, if i had just bought this phone I would be furious.

Based on sales of my Windows Phone apps I think I'm going to move to cross-platform development and based on this, it looks like Android is going to become my top platform now.


RE: Right
By geddarkstorm on 6/20/2012 2:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
Speaking of cross platform, Mono looks really interesting--letting you do C# and .Net development for WP, Android, and iOS. Android apps made with Mono's C# are supposedly significantly faster than java Android apps (Xobot is a project working on porting all of Android into C#). It's pretty expensive though, and no idea if that's anything like what you use, but I think it's kinda cool.


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By Mitch101 on 6/20/2012 5:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't. Were going to get 7.8 most likely well optimized for the single core phones. It should be fine for everything except high end game engines because Microsoft is allowing developers to do native code. in WP8.

This is a much better option than them giving us 8.0 and us having the performance of the single core be a bad experience when we download a game that's too much for a single core. Still I dont need to play Crysis on my phone.

Talk to the iPhone people the experience was bad getting the iOS update it made their phones sluggish at times.

My contract will be up a few months after the WP8 phones arrive. Most likely my carrier will have some upgrade deal if not Im free in just a few more months. No biggie.


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By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 8:03:34 PM , Rating: 2
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By corduroygt on 6/20/2012 3:23:56 PM , Rating: 3
It's even more ironic that they called other phone owners (presumably Android), "beta testers" in their commercial. Who are the real beta testers now?


RE: Right
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2012 11:52:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, egg on their face bigtime for that one. Sticking with a certain level of SoC for so long really bit them.


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By damianrobertjones on 6/20/2012 1:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
In all honesty (Looks at the HTC Titan next to him) I wouldn't even notice if there was a dual core cpu in my WP7 phone as it simply does what I ask it to do without freezing, stopping or generally getting bogged down.


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