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China's recent successful manned mission has started a space race debate

Now that China has successfully completed its first manned mission, the United States is worried that it may be left behind when it comes to space-related endeavors.

China initially launched its Tiangong 1 prototype space station module in September 2011 and linked its Shenzhou 8 spacecraft to it in November. Earlier this month, China completed its first manned mission to Tiangong 1 using its Shenzhou 9 spacecraft, which contained the country's first female astronaut.

With so many firsts under China's belt, the U.S. is getting a little worried. Some scientists, such as lunar geologist Paul Spudis say that China could renounce the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which states that no one can claim national sovereignty in space. Spudis believes that potential resources on the moon, such as water, could tempt the country into renouncing the treaty.

There are also worries about the U.S. government's space program. While the U.S. has the private sector (SpaceX) taking care of space-related business for now, there are concerns regarding the private sector's ability to uphold the American space effort without the government's support. The U.S.' funding for the space program has been quite low, even to the point where NASA urged Congress to provide the full $850 million for commercial crew vehicle development last October.

However, the private sector has made strong contributions so far with SpaceX's Dragon cargo capsule making its first successful trip to the International Space Station (ISS) last month.

Others aren't quite as worried about China's position in the space race. According to Jeff Foust, an aerospace analyst, journalist and publisher, China's space program could potentially face some issues with coordination because it is ran by many different government agencies instead of just one.

Regardless, China is now a member of the space race and the U.S. may be taking the new potential competitor into consideration.

Source: Yahoo News



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RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Ringold on 6/20/2012 10:41:34 PM , Rating: -1
What did he say factually incorrect?

And viewing the world as moral shades of gray is half the problem with liberalism. Black and white can oversimplify, but with no moral 'black' or red line, we lose national vigor -- as the Soviets knew we would, if you're familiar with their leadership. We end up doing silly things, like standing on the sidelines during Rwanda, but then getting involved in Libya, and then now playing relative soft-ball while 12k civilians, and counting, get slaughtered in Syria. We more actively supported Afghan rebels during the Soviet occupation. Our moral leadership is like a weather vein, twisting in the wind; who knows what we'll decide is outrageous, and what we'll decide is none of our business or is just fine?

Look at Europe's foreign policy and standing as well. They do exactly as you say, and give billions in foreign aid, and yet are frustrated because while foreigners love taking their money they often give them absolutely no respect in return. Great people earn and command respect. Limp-wrist liberals splash money around but are looked at by the likes of Putin and African leaders as the cowardly moral vacuums that they are.


By praktik on 6/21/2012 7:28:59 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting. Don't think black and white. Don't believe in the religion of liberalism.

BUT

America is semi-marxist because it is allegedly ignoring the precepts of Free Market Fundamentalism and if we just replaced our Manichaean blind religious socialism with blind Manichaean worship of Free Market Fundamentalism, then the glorious spigot of market righteousness will flow its goodness over us all!

hahaha

"America is turning to Marxism" - ya what is factually incorrect about that??

WOWZERS these threads are entertaining!!


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By FaaR on 6/21/2012 7:31:18 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
What did he say factually incorrect?

That the US is embracing marxism, just for starters. Reclaimer wouldn't know marxism if it came up to him and bit him in the ass since he don't actually know what it is. Example, he thinks that stuff like universal health care is marxism (him and millions of other stupid, ignorant Americans), when "universal" police, "universal" military and so on somehow is not marxism.

But why try to defeat willful ignorance and stupidity with knowledge and logic. It's akin to tilting at windmills; if you simply don't WANT to understand, you won't, regardless of how thoroughly wrong you've been proven.


By praktik on 6/21/2012 7:55:26 AM , Rating: 1
If America is "turning towards" anything it's plutocracy. When you need a billion to run for president and congressmen need to raise 2400$ an hour for their next campaign - and we see a constant revolving door of politicians turned lobbyists shaking down their ex-colleagues (and being shaked down by them in turn!) and legislation arrives for legislators to put the floor pre-written by lobbyists then I'm not sure there's a better term for that then plutocracy!

The idea that the Obama is turning to Marxism can only be the product of an enfeebled mind unfortunately damaged significantly by the effects of cold war propaganda - I mean if this was true then wouldn't Goldman Sachs be the octopus at the center of this Marxist plot? Goldman Sachs?? - big money investment firm, and harbinger of the commie revolution!!!


By Ringold on 6/21/2012 11:33:51 PM , Rating: 1
You're an idiot.

Karl Marx identified 10 central tenents to Marxism. Since you're apparently educated, I don't need to tell you what they are, but will remind you the left embraces many, including heavily 'progressive' income taxes, heavy taxation of inheritance, centralizing authority, and in the American version control of industry through heavy regulation (old-school European Marxists just outright take ownership stakes in firms). Universal health care is an extension of those ideologies in that it requires that the government force all individuals, regardless of what their personal desire is, to purchase a product -- in this case, health insurance, but could just as easily be broccoli or carrots, as pointed out by a Justice during debates. The view that the government has that sort of coercive power pretty much requires a preference towards one political extreme or another, be it Marxism or some form of autocracy or fascism.

Not sure what you're drooling on about with universal police and military. Conservatives are the ones worried about the news lately about law enforcement using large numbers of drones.

Dont know why I bothered though, you really didn't make any sort of point, just pretended to be another wittier-than-thou liberal but said nothing at all intellectual.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By ImJustSaying on 6/21/2012 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 1
I have no idea what you are talking about. You're all over the place with your response.

A quote from Billy Madison is in order:

"...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Yeah, that sums it up nicely.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Ringold on 6/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By praktik on 6/22/2012 8:25:09 AM , Rating: 2
Besides guys, being tough just feels so AWESOME!!

I'm a rootin'-tootin', lassoo loopin', popgun shootin' chickenhawk!

All others who disagree with my politics are weak! I am strong! THe Ukraine is Strong!

When guys act tough I get tingles in between my legs!


By Ringold on 6/22/2012 5:58:53 PM , Rating: 1
Can be a strong country without intervening all over the world; Putin doesn't have armies all over the place. The point is, our moral compass twists in the wind, with the examples I provided as to what causes us outrage and what doesn't (Rwanda was okay, Libya was not, Syria is fine, etc). If we're going to be a non-interventionist state, like Russia or China, then fine. If we're going to go the other way, then okay. Just have to pick something and stick with it.

Plus, the point of being perceived as a strong nation isn't to be strong for its own sake, you child. It's to help the government secure better terms with our peers that improve access and global opportunity and security for our citizens and businesses.

But I guess its okay to you that the world is starting to laugh at the US just as it laughs at Europe and Canada while happily accepting their foreign aid donations.


By ImJustSaying on 6/22/2012 7:35:26 PM , Rating: 2
You are reinforcing what I said...


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