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China's recent successful manned mission has started a space race debate

Now that China has successfully completed its first manned mission, the United States is worried that it may be left behind when it comes to space-related endeavors.

China initially launched its Tiangong 1 prototype space station module in September 2011 and linked its Shenzhou 8 spacecraft to it in November. Earlier this month, China completed its first manned mission to Tiangong 1 using its Shenzhou 9 spacecraft, which contained the country's first female astronaut.

With so many firsts under China's belt, the U.S. is getting a little worried. Some scientists, such as lunar geologist Paul Spudis say that China could renounce the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which states that no one can claim national sovereignty in space. Spudis believes that potential resources on the moon, such as water, could tempt the country into renouncing the treaty.

There are also worries about the U.S. government's space program. While the U.S. has the private sector (SpaceX) taking care of space-related business for now, there are concerns regarding the private sector's ability to uphold the American space effort without the government's support. The U.S.' funding for the space program has been quite low, even to the point where NASA urged Congress to provide the full $850 million for commercial crew vehicle development last October.

However, the private sector has made strong contributions so far with SpaceX's Dragon cargo capsule making its first successful trip to the International Space Station (ISS) last month.

Others aren't quite as worried about China's position in the space race. According to Jeff Foust, an aerospace analyst, journalist and publisher, China's space program could potentially face some issues with coordination because it is ran by many different government agencies instead of just one.

Regardless, China is now a member of the space race and the U.S. may be taking the new potential competitor into consideration.

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Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2012 6:26:47 PM , Rating: 0
China exploits their natural resources. America locks them away and even pays OTHER countries to come mine and drill here (fact, look it up). China embraces Capitalism, America is delving into Marxism. China buys others debt, America is racking debt up to the sky.

I ask you, which of these two nations is poised to win any "space race"?




RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By BigT383 on 6/20/2012 6:41:57 PM , Rating: 2
"America delves into Marxism"... by under-funding the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in lieu of contracting the private sector.


By knutjb on 6/20/2012 6:45:33 PM , Rating: 2
Using private companies to do much of the work is fine. When it comes to the banner that it functions under is something completely different. NASA didn't build the space shuttle "in-house."


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Pirks on 6/20/2012 6:54:55 PM , Rating: 1
The US were doing pretty good at space race when there was a tough opponent like USSR. Now Americans don't do shit 'cause there's no competition. It's like MS and IE in 2000's - no competing browsers - no IE development.

Now there's finally a replacement for the USSR as The Main Bad Guy, so now as China ramps up their space program and builds up their military the US finally has a reason to cut a few billions here and there from the social/welfare programs, and funnel them into space research.

It's a good thing China decided to get into space, I'm pretty sure NASA is smiling happily and already drawing mega plans about some new big space push, like getting a human to Mars and back.

Remember Recalimer, competition is GOOOOOD! :)


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By HrilL on 6/20/2012 7:35:43 PM , Rating: 4
ROFL. We can cut 2 Trillion in welfare/social programs a year and still be spending more than 600 Billion than we have to spend. We're at the point of total collapse and they're just trying to postpone the inevitable while sucking any last riches from the masses. Our government can't compete with anyone at this point because Our debt is 1.1:1 of our GDP at this point. You can't spend yourself out of a recession.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By espaghetti on 6/20/2012 8:00:20 PM , Rating: 4
You're right. FDR proved it.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Ringold on 6/20/2012 10:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
If FDR had it entirely right, Greece, France and Italy would be the wealthiest nations on Earth, and Hong Kong and Singapore would be desolate 3rd world slums. Germany would be the sick man of Europe, not the relative powerhouse. Use a little logic, if possible.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Samus on 6/21/2012 3:48:21 AM , Rating: 3
FDR and Nixon both completely screwed this country up fiscally. Not that they saw it coming, who could have predicted todays politicians would take advantage of every program and economic policy they implemented to hook up their cronies?


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Amiga500 on 6/21/2012 5:01:53 AM , Rating: 1
FDR was an honest man... he would never have anticipated crooks getting in charge.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Solandri on 6/21/2012 6:00:15 AM , Rating: 4
What saved FDR (and what could potentially save us) is simply growth and inflation. If you look at tax revenue vs. spending without adjusting for inflation, it's pretty easy to see what happened:
http://cheatlikecrazy.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/...

Federal spending reached nearly 50% of GDP during WWII. That's compared to about 18%-20% in the last 3 decades. The Federal government accumulated a massive amount of debt during the war. But simply due to inflation, that debt barely even registers in today's dollars (it's the small red bump just to the right of "1940").

In other words, we don't have to pay off our debt. If we just eliminate the deficits (balance the budget each year), over time that unpaid debt will grow in terms of dollars, but due to inflation will shrink in terms of % of GDP. That's what happened after WWII. Here's a graph of debt as % of GDP.
http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4d2b68c54...

As you can see, our debt situation at the end of WWII was worse than our debt situation today (as percentage of GDP). But during 1946-1970, Federal spending was about the same as revenue. And so without paying a dime of debt, the debt shrank as a percent of GDP simply due to inflation and growth in the GDP.
http://carriedaway.blogs.com/carried_away/images/e...


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By WalksTheWalk on 6/21/2012 11:16:46 AM , Rating: 2
Call me negative, but I don't see that happening since the market is quite global now, and the US doesn't have the internal manufacturing sector we had back then. The US was a world leader in many industries that are now provided by many other countries.

As the global market flattens out across more and more countries, the wealth will spread as well. We are going to need to get much leaner to keep up with the global market and the US government and citizens needs to realize that. Without the government and citizens getting their houses in order financially, the US is going to eventually hit the wall.


By JediJeb on 6/21/2012 2:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
Not just the US, but all developed nations that have decided to push manufacturing out to less developed countries for one reason or another(cheaper labor returns cheaper products, environmental concerns ect.)

A service based economy such as we are moving towards can not be as sustainable as a manufacturing one, since once money becomes short people tend to perform more of those services themselves, while during the same conditions most can not manufacture the things they need so still have to purchase them. Example, times are good and the handyman/light construction business flourishes, times are hard people become versed in Do It Yourself. Places like Lowe's and Home Depot make out good in both types of economies, but the smaller contractor/handyman sees a large drop in business.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2012 8:36:02 AM , Rating: 2
FDR threatened the Supreme Court that if they didn't approve Social Security as being constitutional, he would pack the court with more justices who would vote with him. The only reason he wasn't able to, is because Congress rebuked him.

Hardly an honest man.


By JPForums on 6/21/2012 11:08:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Hardly an honest man.

Sure he was. He honestly told them what he was going to do if he didn't get his way. (Sarcasm for those who can't tell)


By Reclaimer77 on 6/21/2012 10:00:19 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
who could have predicted todays politicians would take advantage of every program and economic policy they implemented to hook up their cronies?


The Founders of this nation and writers of the Constitution. They were adamantly apposed to wealth redistribution.


By jRaskell on 6/21/2012 1:19:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
who could have predicted todays politicians would take advantage of every program and economic policy they implemented to hook up their cronies?

How about anyone with half a brain?


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By knutjb on 6/21/2012 8:53:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
FDR and Nixon both completely screwed this country up fiscally.
I would agree with FDR but Nixon was handed a snafu from LBJ. LBJ moved the Social Security from an isolated account to the general fund to finance his war. Nixon inherited that mess and floundered. Completely screwed up, the history doesn't entirely support that.

The devistaion we are feeling from LBJ and the Great Society. The Great Society has cost over $16T with only a fraction of a percent change in poverty. But if you think it was great the number of people trapped in poverty by those programs as the metric, you win.


By Ringold on 6/21/2012 11:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I agree about Nixon. Getting us out of Vietnam before the country destroyed itself is an unsung achievement of sorts too; he had to go as far as put leaks out there to the Vietnamese suggesting he was madman ready to launch the nukes and glass the entire country to get them to the table for talks.

Could take the position he should've won the war (personally think it was Johnsons to win or lose, the die was cast already for Nixon), but the route he decided to take he executed better then, I would say, most presidents could have.


By StevoLincolnite on 6/20/2012 8:24:42 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
China exploits their natural resources. America locks them away and even pays OTHER countries to come mine and drill here (fact, look it up). China embraces Capitalism, America is delving into Marxism. China buys others debt, America is racking debt up to the sky.


This is why Australia was one of the very tiny few developed nations not to go into recession, the mining sector is booming thanks to China.
Australia isn't afraid to tap into it's vast natural resources.

Plus the Australian Government did enter the global recession with a surplus and did allot of heavy spending on infrastructure to stimulate more jobs. (Like the National Fiber network being rolled out.)
They did not however waste billions bailing out failing companies and instead focused on projects that benefited the people.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Strunf on 6/21/2012 7:35:44 AM , Rating: 2
Australia is hardly a good example... its population is rather small 22 million, or 2x the population of Greece but unlike Greece it has a huge amount of natural resources...


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Aries1470 on 6/21/2012 1:42:35 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, you are wrong!
Greece DOES have plenty of Natural Resources, but lacks in Political Will (aka Balls), for the Good of the Nation and not lining EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN and all others in line too!

Even the workers were paying workers to do their job while the new Athens Metro was being built!

Greece does have Gas & Oil Reserves but has not taken advantage of them due to political infight and who would get their "miza"!

Australia done so well because the People here did NOT HAVE 100+ "tameia" (social security companies...) that is for their pension, they have a compulsary Super Annuation... that is different for every sector but people can choose their own in most cases, and pension is done from a goverment agency depandant on what they have. If they have a good income come pension age, they are not entitled to it. Occassionly there can be mistakes, but in general it works!

BUT the biggest issue is, that TAX IS COLLECTED DIRECTLY FROM THE EMPLOYER and passed to the Tax office.
Australians are also one of the highest taxed people for low to middle income earners about 20%-35%, and if you do NOT declare your TFN (Tax File Number) to your employer, it goes to 50%. The rich as always, anywhere they are, know how to get around the loopholes.

So, get the old mines open again, get the Natural Resources up and running, since the surveys had been completed in the 1970's & 80's! but the infight for who to auction off to, and then cancelation with each government changing, like N.D. & PASOK... not to mention the mis-management of the economy too. The economists knew already that this would be happening from the mid 1980's!

So get your facts right. When Greece was shown how to improve and compete, they snobbed it. When they tried to merge the "Tameia", everyone, as is "normal" there, went on strikes and made the government unstable!
Get of your high horses and get a reality check.
That is what I will leave it at.

Greece DOES have natural resources, as in Metals and black gold and Electricity too!

Get the Tidal generators going - under water, so electricity and de-salination, Athens knows it needs it..., the Oil Wells and the large & smaller mines (the argument being... but they will not be profitable making billions when they can only make plenty of millions attitude) that have been abononed or not started, and get ALL the people to support the reforms with-out the "fakelakia"(envelopes under the table) & "mizes" (hush-hush money for winning a project) and let the winner be on merit for once!


By JediJeb on 6/21/2012 2:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
BUT the biggest issue is, that TAX IS COLLECTED DIRECTLY FROM THE EMPLOYER and passed to the Tax office. Australians are also one of the highest taxed people for low to middle income earners about 20%-35%, and if you do NOT declare your TFN (Tax File Number) to your employer, it goes to 50%. The rich as always, anywhere they are, know how to get around the loopholes.


This is something that is killing the US budget also because we are not taxing around 50% of the people in the country at all. If we would tax every single person at the exact same rate with no deductions or loopholes, we would probably not have problems with running a deficit. This way everyone pays "their fair share" unlike now when the "fair share" is only paid if someone else is paying it. To pay the extra $1.5 trillion in deficit spending in the current proposed budget it would require an increase of about 30% to all those in the income bracket that actually pay taxes now, but if you include all wage earners(even people receiving 100% from the government in welfare) you could add less than 10% to each person and pay that deficit. It is only a "fair" system when everyone is paying an equal share.

(for the record I make about $45k per year, so I am not one of the 1%ers and I still feel this way about things)


By Strunf on 6/22/2012 8:41:42 AM , Rating: 1
Every country has natural resources... what you fail to see is that is not about having or not resources but what kind of resources and how much, Greece has some Oil but nothing that big 10 million bbl, Australia 3,318 million... they are ranked 89 in terms of proven reserves, Australia 29.
You're wrong when you say they didn't invest in oil exploration, in 2011 the government approved 3 new exploration sites.

Besides Oil Australia has 1/5 of the world reserves of Uranium, lot's of coal and natural gas, but yeah keep comparing both as if they were at the same level.

Let me laugh at your renewal energy sources, they require a huge investment with little to NO PROFIT, only countries that have a very good balance sheet can afford to invest on renewals. Your argument of mines is pure bullshit it's not up to the government to open mines, that is the job of investors and private companies and if they don't do it it's cause there isn't money to be made there.

Greeks do well in protesting, ultimately all these bailouts are done to save the investors (mostly German banks and others) not to save the Greeks.


By MechanicalTechie on 6/20/2012 8:25:49 PM , Rating: 4
You forget to mention the million+ engineers and scientist that China produces annually, their culture of hard work anddddd their drive to be well educated.

The US is pass its zenith... most care more about fashion and celebrities than education. The majority couldn’t give a damn about politics(which is controlled by special interests groups and big business) nor understand the ramification of what is happening in Washington. The enormous debt alone is a massive burden that will take generations to pay off.

You have to be a naive to think that the Chinese wont dominate the next century and beyond.


By Noya on 6/21/2012 1:34:37 AM , Rating: 2
Perfect summation.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Strunf on 6/21/2012 7:47:03 AM , Rating: 2
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their culture of hard work

Funny I don't see them work more than anyone else once they get out of China...

Anyways Americans (and Europeans) have been enjoying the nice freedom of choice for some time now, if we are not happy with a job we just go find another one, we can be a few months looking for a job while our expenses are still being payed, for most Chinese it doesn't work like that, they have to work for them and for their parents all the time, give it a few decades and more social benefits and they will be no different than anyone else.

The Chinese may or may not dominate the next century, what makes you think that the Chinese will keep being "happy" with their current regime? it wouldn't be the first country to implode due to social unrest.


By AnnihilatorX on 6/21/2012 8:20:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote: their culture of hard work Funny I don't see them work more than anyone else once they get out of China...


You answered your own question. Culture only functions in the place where it lies. I mean, if you move to live in Himalayas would you be able to still preserve your American Culture? Not likely.


By knutjb on 6/21/2012 9:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
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The US is pass its zenith... You have to be a naive to think that the Chinese wont dominate the next century and beyond.
I don't entirely agree. China has a government in conflict with ideologies. Caplitalism provided the mass growth. Communism is a polar opposite to Capitalism. One will have to give in. Traditionally those in power try their utmost to keep it. China also has a flaw that troubled the USSR, lack of original ideas.

I do think that if the US doesn't make a right turn away from progressivism we will be just like Europe, an also ran. There is no silver medal in the ranking of countries, only the gold.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By ImJustSaying on 6/20/12, Rating: -1
RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Ringold on 6/20/12, Rating: -1
By praktik on 6/21/2012 7:28:59 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting. Don't think black and white. Don't believe in the religion of liberalism.

BUT

America is semi-marxist because it is allegedly ignoring the precepts of Free Market Fundamentalism and if we just replaced our Manichaean blind religious socialism with blind Manichaean worship of Free Market Fundamentalism, then the glorious spigot of market righteousness will flow its goodness over us all!

hahaha

"America is turning to Marxism" - ya what is factually incorrect about that??

WOWZERS these threads are entertaining!!


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By FaaR on 6/21/2012 7:31:18 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
What did he say factually incorrect?

That the US is embracing marxism, just for starters. Reclaimer wouldn't know marxism if it came up to him and bit him in the ass since he don't actually know what it is. Example, he thinks that stuff like universal health care is marxism (him and millions of other stupid, ignorant Americans), when "universal" police, "universal" military and so on somehow is not marxism.

But why try to defeat willful ignorance and stupidity with knowledge and logic. It's akin to tilting at windmills; if you simply don't WANT to understand, you won't, regardless of how thoroughly wrong you've been proven.


By praktik on 6/21/2012 7:55:26 AM , Rating: 1
If America is "turning towards" anything it's plutocracy. When you need a billion to run for president and congressmen need to raise 2400$ an hour for their next campaign - and we see a constant revolving door of politicians turned lobbyists shaking down their ex-colleagues (and being shaked down by them in turn!) and legislation arrives for legislators to put the floor pre-written by lobbyists then I'm not sure there's a better term for that then plutocracy!

The idea that the Obama is turning to Marxism can only be the product of an enfeebled mind unfortunately damaged significantly by the effects of cold war propaganda - I mean if this was true then wouldn't Goldman Sachs be the octopus at the center of this Marxist plot? Goldman Sachs?? - big money investment firm, and harbinger of the commie revolution!!!


By Ringold on 6/21/2012 11:33:51 PM , Rating: 1
You're an idiot.

Karl Marx identified 10 central tenents to Marxism. Since you're apparently educated, I don't need to tell you what they are, but will remind you the left embraces many, including heavily 'progressive' income taxes, heavy taxation of inheritance, centralizing authority, and in the American version control of industry through heavy regulation (old-school European Marxists just outright take ownership stakes in firms). Universal health care is an extension of those ideologies in that it requires that the government force all individuals, regardless of what their personal desire is, to purchase a product -- in this case, health insurance, but could just as easily be broccoli or carrots, as pointed out by a Justice during debates. The view that the government has that sort of coercive power pretty much requires a preference towards one political extreme or another, be it Marxism or some form of autocracy or fascism.

Not sure what you're drooling on about with universal police and military. Conservatives are the ones worried about the news lately about law enforcement using large numbers of drones.

Dont know why I bothered though, you really didn't make any sort of point, just pretended to be another wittier-than-thou liberal but said nothing at all intellectual.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By ImJustSaying on 6/21/2012 2:49:20 PM , Rating: 1
I have no idea what you are talking about. You're all over the place with your response.

A quote from Billy Madison is in order:

"...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Yeah, that sums it up nicely.


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By Ringold on 6/21/12, Rating: 0
RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By praktik on 6/22/2012 8:25:09 AM , Rating: 2
Besides guys, being tough just feels so AWESOME!!

I'm a rootin'-tootin', lassoo loopin', popgun shootin' chickenhawk!

All others who disagree with my politics are weak! I am strong! THe Ukraine is Strong!

When guys act tough I get tingles in between my legs!


By Ringold on 6/22/2012 5:58:53 PM , Rating: 1
Can be a strong country without intervening all over the world; Putin doesn't have armies all over the place. The point is, our moral compass twists in the wind, with the examples I provided as to what causes us outrage and what doesn't (Rwanda was okay, Libya was not, Syria is fine, etc). If we're going to be a non-interventionist state, like Russia or China, then fine. If we're going to go the other way, then okay. Just have to pick something and stick with it.

Plus, the point of being perceived as a strong nation isn't to be strong for its own sake, you child. It's to help the government secure better terms with our peers that improve access and global opportunity and security for our citizens and businesses.

But I guess its okay to you that the world is starting to laugh at the US just as it laughs at Europe and Canada while happily accepting their foreign aid donations.


By ImJustSaying on 6/22/2012 7:35:26 PM , Rating: 2
You are reinforcing what I said...


By NellyFromMA on 6/21/2012 10:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
I tried to respond to this but evidentally when I try to post as normal I am now being flagged as spam -_-


RE: Uncompetitive Policies Will Be Our Downfal
By michael2k on 6/21/2012 11:48:07 AM , Rating: 2
As an American I like the idea that we're hoarding our natural resources and that we're consuming all of China's.


By geddarkstorm on 6/21/2012 1:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
That's all well and good until China starts mining the Moon and asteroids for their practically "unlimited" resources. That's something we need to start aiming for. If not the Moon, at least start building space platforms and harvesting asteroids. Expensive now, but not once it's a developed industry. And then we don't have to ever touch our own land or "spoil" nature in any way, while still being fully supplied with all we could need and more.

China has no danger of running out of resources on any meaningful time scale, and they are using what they have in a long term, foresightful way. We better wake up, or find ourselves trapped on this rock while others spread through the stars and start making the rules.


By zixin on 6/21/2012 5:45:03 PM , Rating: 2
Are you kidding me? If the US is like China, the Feds would be dictating how much gas is. Banks would be nationalized. Microsoft, Google, Ebay, and other large companies would be at least 80% owned by the government. That is why China is a socialist country. They have their own problems, such as an elevated housing market (remember what happened when that bubble burst for the US?), a huge disparity between rich and poor, and a huge different between urban and rural areas.


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